Please Me, Lame by need help.

[ZeroKnight]

Hello people,

Im ZeroKnight, an wanna be encoder. I have tried using FlashMpeg, Sbc Encoding (Nandub), Avisynth. All i have tried, but none have giving me good results. Ive been trying to change settings, changes methods, programs everything i can possible think of. But none has help me produce any good encodes.

I get noise that i cant get rid of, i get macroblocking, the video source doesnt look clear. Playback is a little jerky, and this is for every anime dvd i got. I got over 40 and i am almost at the point where i am going on. Ive read alot of doom9 articles, tried new ways or methods. But now i am going to ask for help.

My Dvds are all pal except two, and i need a way to get results. The way i rip the dvd is in Smart Ripper 2.31. Rip the dvd to hard drive. From their i use Dvd2avi to make the audio, i change the wav audio 1 gig, to mp3, then to a fake wav to give better audio sync. I make a dvd2avi project for the video as well. I dont really change around with the field source, because they all preety much the same.

Once i have made the dvd2avi project, i load it into tmpgenc and do an ivtc or a double deinterlace the way i was taught. But either of these seems to give me blocks on the encoding. Doesnt come out clear. From their i save to a tmpgenc project file and use VFAPI to make it into an avi. I keep the vobs because the files link back to the vob. Load them into nandub. I do japanease audio like all good anime encoders, and subtitles using vobsub. But the end result isnt good no matter what i do.

Then with Avisynth. I make the .avs using Gordan Knots for cropping so it is easy. The rest i do myself. I do resize, Telecide with custom settings, i also try defults and try to tweak them to give better results but doesnt help.

For FlaskMpeg, same problems. Sorry that the post is very log.
I dont think my problem can be the dvds because 40 dvds and cant get one good quality, something i am doing wrong. Please help me fix my encoding, i need help, complete guides, other tools that could give better results, i was even thinking of using Clad Dvd instead of smart ripper to see if it makes a difference. So please help me.

From ZeroKnight

[theReal]

You say all your DVDs are anime. Those are usually hard to encode because they were transferred from ntsc video to pal - a mixture between telecined frames and progressive frames.

If you want to control your encoding skills, I'd say take a good, normal PAL DVD (not anime) and encode it. If it comes out right, you're having problems with anime encoding and that's not very uncommon...

[ZeroKnight]

Yeah, i know their is a problem with the pal dvds, especially in anime. But i need to figure out a way so i can encode these dvds to help out my channe. But i cant seem to get them encoding because of the poor quality. Is their some way to get around the mix of half progressive and half interlace. I need to fix this peoplem.

Please help me fix this problem.
Thanks for the reply
ZeroKnight

[theReal]

Yeah, i know their is a problem with the pal dvds, especially in anime.Not exactly. There's no problem with PAL DVDs. These are usually the easiest to encode because they are 25 fps 100% progressive. No telecining, no interlaced frames.
But that is only true for DVDs made from film - DVDs copied from video - and even worse from ntsc video - are not 100% progressive, but they're also not 100% telecined and they're not "real" 25fps. And something like this is your usual anime DVD!

[ZeroKnight]

but can i do an de interlacer, or ivtc, or something to fix the video. Because i get black lines and that so i always fought it was de interlace.

But what annoys me is that playing the dvd is perfect, and i cant get the encode to look the same way.
But i need to do something so i can get the encodes done.

[Tri]

I have some anime PAL DVDs that I did this way:

I use "verticalreduceby2()" in an avisynth script to get rid of all interlace lines and then resize back to 720*576. After that I apply any filters I consider necessary. You will lose details by this method but get completely rid of the interlace lines.

[ZeroKnight]

do i need any dll files to use that opition. Also, what fliters do you class as what you need, i need to resize and crop to get rid of the black parts so it is just the picture.

And by what your saying i can get rid of the black lines, but what about those marcoblocking i get, or should that fix it as well?

[dvd_master]

Originally posted by theReal
You say all your DVDs are anime. Those are usually hard to encode because they were transferred from ntsc video to pal - a mixture between telecined frames and progressive frames.


Transferred video from NTSC to PAL ? Anime is japanese, and they use PAL on all their region 2 DVD's. Maybe PAL to NTSC would be a problem for him....


ZeroKnight, repost in the www.fansubs.net forum. We there are dedication to subbing anime, and more then 20% of us rip region 2 DVD's, and many of them are very good experts at them.

If someone knows how to handle import anime DVD's, it's us.

Also, I think you should switch to Virtual Dub. Open the fake AVI that VFAPI created for you in it, and make the sure video looks fine, add filters if you need to, and overall get everything right. Then choose File --> Start Framserver. Then serve the frames to TMPEG where you can encode it so the source is exactly what you see in the virtualdub preview window.

[Slogra]

- Japan is region 2 and is NTSC.
- Europe is region 2 and is PAL.

I've got some european (PAL) Manga movies and ghosting is all over the place :(.

I think most animes are made for 24fps (or maybe even lower like 15fps). PAL anime movies aren't speed up to 25fps like normal movies, but in stead and extra frame is added which is a blend of 2 other frames (ghosting).

[theReal]

Anime is japanese, and they use PAL on all their region 2 DVD's.OK, I mixed it up a little (read too much about ivtc'ing ntsc anime, I guess).
But it's just as Slogra says - anime is usually not drawn at 25fps and the DVDs are often produced in a sloppy way.

[dvd_master]

You can't mean the anime region2's..... because every single one I'e seen has flawles vidoe quality.

American companies will usually make the video quality worse (they foces on extras and dazzling menus instead of video quality) but anime r2's are known for perfect video quality.

EDIT: of course, when i saw region2 or r2's, I'm reffering strictly to the japanese DVD releases. I don't know about other places like France or Germany. But all anime DVD's released by Japan are perfect !!!

[theReal]

I can't really say anything as I'm not an anime encoder - but you see so many threads dedicated to difficult to encode anime where people complain about the bad mastering quality and all such things. There must be quite a lot of very difficult anime DVDs out there...

[ZeroKnight]

I just need some help to get the job done. An avs script that will work. What to do in Tmpgenc, something so i can encode these dvd's.

but if i cant do that, my channel is going to go bye bye cause i can produce encodes.

[dvd_master]

Okay here you go.

Using Smartripper, rip the DVD to yoru hard drive. Open DVD2AVI and open the VOBS and save the project. Then open VFAPI and convert that DVD2AVI file into a 'fake' avi. (After already installing the handler in VirtualDub) open VDub, and open that AVI. Add whatever filters you want. This is where you would add the subtitles if you want it subtitled.

Now you can do one of two things:

1) encode it as an avi in VirtualDub

or
2) Start Framserver and load the file it created into TMPEG, and from there encode the video into MPEG.

I would go with number one. But you should first go to Video --> Compression in Virtual Dub and choose your compression. Then just go to Save AVI.

and TheReal, they are most likely talking about the US releases (r1's) for those. Since many many many region one DVD's are pretty bad quality *cough*EvangelionCeresRanma*cough* and most commercial companies *cough*ADVandViz*cough* don't care enough about the anime. Region 2's: wonderful excellant prefect video
Region 1: depends. Usually is low grade.

[dragongodz]

i see from the first post that you have tried a few different things but have you given DVDx a try ? i have done pal anime (since i live in Aus)like akira and perfect blue and they turned out fine. just another option to try anyway.

[ZeroKnight]

I havent tried dvdx yet, i need to get the episodes down to around 200 megs each, add in logos and subtitles and make sure the picture is crop and resize.

But dvdx is about the only thing i havent tried yet.
So i will check it out.

[theReal]

Have you tried RealMedia Encoder 9 ?
I'm encoding a lot of Simpsons and Futurama with RM9 because I can make an episode 100MB and it's better than with Divx5 at 150MB. For cartoons and such I can really recommend RM9 (even it is a very closed proprietary format and the player sucks, but well...)