Windows NT4

[Winroute]

Maybe this have been discussed earlier, but I could'nt find anything.

Have anyone tried too run DVD2SVCD on NT4 Workstation ?
(with the latest Servicepack (6.0a) installed).

The reason I ask is this: NT is easier for the computer to load/ run and need less recources, thereby more recources to DVD2SVCD !?

Would really appreciate an answer on this :-)

Winroute

PS: I am currently using an Celeron Tulatin 1.1A@1469MHz/ Abit BE6-II ver2/ Seagate U6 on RAID-0 ++ to do the converting, and am getting CCE-speeds of aprox. 1.2 when converting an PAL movie with subtitle...and this is all this PC is used for.

[Winroute]

PLEEEEEAAAASE anyone....:confused:

Someone must know if it's possible to run DVD2SVCD/ CCE on WinNT 4.0.

Winroute :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Monarch73]

I haven't tried it but I don't think DVD2SVCD relies on a OS-function that NT4 wouldn't have. I expect it to run but I don't think it will run faster.

[TKSoft2000]

HI!!!
YEA another NT4 user ;-)))

I'm using DVD2SVCD under NT4S SP6a without any problems!

TMPG works, and the biggest version of CCE Pro is only for "Windows NT Workstation 4.0 SP6a" [see www.cinemacraft.com].

DVD is Toshiba SD-M1612

Using NT4 becuase WinDOS is unusable and W2K/XP using the CPU-power for nice animations but not for the software ;-)
So NT4 was the best choice for me.

Regards
TKS

[Winroute]

Originally posted by TKSoft2000
HI!!!
YEA another NT4 user ;-)))

I'm using DVD2SVCD under NT4S SP6a without any problems!

TMPG works, and the biggest version of CCE Pro is only for "Windows NT Workstation 4.0 SP6a" [see www.cinemacraft.com].

DVD is Toshiba SD-M1612

Using NT4 becuase WinDOS is unusable and W2K/XP using the CPU-power for nice animations but not for the software ;-)
So NT4 was the best choice for me.

Regards
TKS

Do you get any improvements in speed using NT4 over Win2000/XP ??
I have not tested yet, but back when my computer was unstable (some time back) the encoding accellerated faster using NT then it usually does on Win2k...but I have not tested it after my computer "got well" (I had some problems with my old slotcket when running over 125MHz FSB).

Winroute

[smiller667]

I have two similar TB 1GHz boxes here, one running NT4 SP6, one running Win2k ... they are not 100% comparable hardware-wise, but I have not seen any significant difference in encoding speed. I might do a benchmark someday ... and btw no, there are no fancy animations or any other of that XP-style crap in Win2k.

[TKSoft2000]

Do you get any improvements in speed using NT4 over Win2000/XP ??
In MPEG-Encoding Unter NT a 90 min movie is 10minutes faster than under W2K so it doesn't realy differ if you see that the whole encoding process takes 6-8 h.

The complete feeling is better under NT4. Opening folders is faster, starting games like Q3A was much faster (Celeron 466 was faster than Celeron 800).

I can instal my OS in 15min on my machine and it's OK. W2K needs 60min then I must speed up W2K over regedit - takes 30min.

W2K has simple too much features I'll never need but they cost me CPU-Power and disable them takes much time.

Regards
TKS

[tiki4]

It's the same sad old story with every new version of Windows. Each new version comes with lots of new crap noone really needs or wants to have and somehow the subjective speed of the GUI gets slower and slower.

Well, but that's not the whole story. For example I'm running Windows 2000 on an Athlon XP 1600+ with 256 MB RAM. So far so good. I got really quite used to that machine. Windows NT would be nice, too, but my printer is attached to the USB port, my soundcard is an Creative SB Audigy and there are of course no drivers for Windows NT, it even includes an FireWire port and that support is also missing from NT 4.

Encoding speed, well, I think I didn't see any significant improvements by using Windows NT (apart from that I cannot listen to the movies I'm encoding). The driver issue will become the most important problem for Windows NT users. As long as you stick to your old hardware and don't change anything everything will do fine, but when you bye your next piece of e.g. graphics card you'll find no more drivers for that.

If you take a look on the benchmarks however you'll find that Windows 2000 and XP perform very well on reasonable hardware, you just have to put in enough memory and I'd say from my own experience Windows 2000 at least 256 MB and Windows XP maybe even 512 MB. With both systems you should be on the save side the next years, and I got used to Windows 2000 too much.

Regards,

tiki4

[TKSoft2000]

@tiki4
Each new version comes with lots of new crap noone really needs or wants to have and somehow the subjective speed of the GUI gets slower and slower
Hmm, If you invest some time into WinXP it can be really much faster than W2K, but the registering and Usermanagement is more difficult than in W2K.

Windows NT would be nice, too, but my printer is attached to the USB port, my soundcard is an Creative SB Audigy
This are Problems from the User!
Use a LAN-Printer! This woll be faster than USB and 100%workin with NT.
Creative Soundcards do work under NT4 only 4.1/5.1 Speaker support are a problem.
Drivers for Grafik-Boards will be no problem the next yers, cause NVidia&Co. must write drivers for the professional users(many administrators don't want to change to W2K because of the costs and the handeling). Only special Features will be a Problem.
USB is also working under NT4, but the Companys don't want to make it compatible! See http://www.jungo.com/
Also DirectX would Work! But MS doen't want it! Hackers got DirectX6 to work!!!

So the Problem is not the System, it's MS that wants to know NT4 ded.


you just have to put in enough memory
One more point! NT4 needs 32MB to run well! So from 512MB are 480MB left for the applications!

But you're wright! The drivers are a very big problem! On my main machine I think I'll be able to keep NT4 for max. 1-2 years, then I must find a new OS. W2K or Linux if it is ready at that time...

MfG
TKS

[tiki4]

Hi TKS,

are you supporting Windows XP or Windows NT now?:D

One thing, Audigy really has no driver support from Creative for Windows NT 4, that means there is no NT driver on my driver CD and there is none on the web. I know that Windows XP is really worth the upgrade from 2K (if you look at the boot time alone) but there are lot of things I didn't want to have in XP like the phone-home mentality of M$. Apart from that I really like the user interface. So I just wait for Monday when SP1 is out. There are some really annoying bugs in the original version and I hate to download tons of hotfixes from Windows Update as I really wanna have a clean system.

Of course there are hacks and workarounds for the inabilities of Windows NT like DirectX 6 (eh, wasn't that 3 or 4 years ago?), USB, power management and some other things. But just think of the trouble to run Windows NT in parallel to Windows 98 then (FAT32!). I don't vote for users to switch to a new OS if they are happy with their NT but one should note that M$ is seriously stopping support for that OS in the near future! This also means no more security fixes to the OS and to IE and this is not acceptable if you are connected to a network or the internet.

32 MB of RAM? Well, of course NT 4 boots with 32 MB, Windows 2000 does not, not to speak of XP. But: You may run something like DVD2SVCD with CCE or TMPGEnc, or even worse Office 2000/XP. Things get tricky then. Honestly compare the performance of NT4 with SP6a and IE5/5.5/6 with 32 MB and with 128 MB...

And for the drivers: Special high end hardware will get special drivers for the next years to come, of course (I'm not talking about Nvidia drivers, guess they will be around the next years, too). Now think of you buy a new scanner that will have to get attached via USB port (cause you cannot affor SCSI scanner). You don't expect the users to install any strange patches from the web in order to run the scanner?

Regards,

tiki4

[TKSoft2000]

I know that Windows XP is really worth the upgrade from 2K (if you look at the boot time alone) but there are lot of things I didn't want to have in XP like the phone-home mentality of M$. Apart from that I really like the user interface. So I just wait for Monday when SP1 is out. There are some really annoying bugs in the original version and I hate to download tons of hotfixes from Windows Update as I really wanna have a clean system.

Booting is one + of XP, but the userinterface and "phone home" is a -

So I always say, if you want a prefessional workstation, use NT4.
If you want a gamestation take W2K with high compatibility take W2K.

If you have enough money, use W2K server cause it is a little bit more professional (better usermanagemant).


To the SP1 of XP.
Some of our PC magacines are writing that this update will have a check if you have installed a padched version of XP. If it is so it will disable all updatefeatures of XP.
So be careful and save important files before updating!

Regards
TKS

[tiki4]

Sorry to say that, but if you wanna have a professional workstation you have to take Linux in my opinion.;)

I don't fear SP1 as I don't own a patched version of XP. This is a totally legal corporate edition of my university.

For the saving of important files: There's nothing better like DriveImage for example (or Norton Ghost). You can exactly reproduce your last 'check point'.

Regards,

tiki4

[Monarch73]

Nope, thats wrong. Linux lacks of many multimedia-functions and Hardware-abstraction-standards for beeing a good workstation-OS.

No doubt, Linux ist good for lean servers and has unbeatable networking capabilities. But workstation? No. Defintifly not.

[TKSoft2000]

Nope, thats wrong. Linux lacks of many multimedia-functions and Hardware-abstraction-standards for beeing a good workstation-OS.

No doubt, Linux ist good for lean servers and has unbeatable networking capabilities. But workstation? No. Defintifly not.

Yes, at the moment I think so, too! But it became better the last years!
Try http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/ it's the best Linux I know at the moment.

So I think i some years it will give us the chance to get a new good OS...

Some people got the IE emulated under Linux. VirtualDub wasn't a Problem, too.

We will see what the future wil bring.

Regards
TKS

[tiki4]

Ah guys!

What do you define as workstation! Hell, a machine for multimedia creation at home and gaming isn't a workstation to me. I'm into theoretical science and all I do in my PhD is calculation. I'm on a Linux dual Athlon MP here at work and I write my own programs for that. That's what I understand as workstation.

While I agree with you that Linux isn't up to Windows yet when it comes to VCD/DVD/DivX there are tons of software around and the little proggie 'transcode' can transcode nearly everything to everything. I got that all installed a while ago and the tools for Linux get better on a daily basis. It's just not that convenient as Windows is. If you know what you do, you may do nearly everything with Linux. If you now state that Linux isn't actually a desktop OS yet I fully agree with you, but it's totally up to hold a stand against unbelievably expensive, commercial UNIX workstation that were oh so common in the last twenty years or so.

That's my opinion, now flame me!

tiki4

EDIT: That Knoppix looks funny, and it's in German also. Thanks TKS.

[TKSoft2000]

That Knoppix looks funny, and it's in German also. Thanks TKS

I correct IT IS FUNNY!!!

and also avaible in english:
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html

Don't know if you know Winternal's ERD Commander 2002. This is like WindowsXP bootable from a CD to rescue Files from your harddisk over LAN. But ERD Commander costs much money and it must convert the NTFS-partition to NTFS 5.1!

Knoppix is faster and opens the drives write protected and can also read from NTFS-partitions (no write support at the moment *grr*).

So I'm using Knoppix as rescue system.

Regards
TKS

[tiki4]

NTFS read support is in the Linux kernel for ages. It also can write NTFS but this is not save and most distros don't compile write support into the kernel. It seems that the NTFS driver doesn't get developed very much the last years. From Sysinternals is also a software called NTFSDOS. It's something like a NTFS driver but the read-only version is free. You can download on their homepage. All you need is a MS-DOS boot floppy and some drive where you can copy the files you want to extract from a dead NT partition.

Ah, that's again the point where DriveImage comes in handy :)

tiki4

[TKSoft2000]

Yes, I know NTFSDOS Pro...
It needed much time to get unproblematic write support.

Hope that the people of Linux will get this to work, too.

Regads
TKS