Optimal settings

[sid]

Hi

i know you have to change settings for every movie you encode, but i am trying to collect tips and settings in this thread due to the fact that i have not much experience with XviD yet.
So post your here which settings worked best for you here, for 1CD, 2CD, fast movies, slow movies, bright movies, dark movies, etc....
Maybe some hints which worked good for you. Dont forget to name the movies.

[rui]

Do as i always do when in doubt: trust the codec and use default values (normal cc). ;) I only change the motion search precision to 6, use modulated quant in 2nd pass and, for 1 cd, lumi in both passes.

[AndyP]

Was it ever decided if motion search 5 (diamond) or 6 (square) was better. My testing shows that with all else being equal, motion search 5 produces a slightly lower average quant, but the frames appear virtually identical. Any experiences??

Andy

[rui]

Well, i made a post about that in the koepi's 1-08 build, and i came to that same conclusions (almost)

Using motion 6 inded produced a slightly lower average quantizer and, when freezing the frames, i could see diferences in detail between 5 and 6 values.

In motion, it's very hard to spot those diferences.

But now i am using Koepi's build, and it has EPZS enable, so i am not sure if diamond and square search modes aply here, or only in uManiac's builds.

[Koepi]

rui,

I made those changes permanent, it's XviD default behaviour, committed to CVS by Isibaar (or gruel again? Can't remember right now. I thinik I need CVS access ;) ).

I thought you read the CVS changelogs? :P

Regards,
Koepi

[rui]

Yes, i read the changelog :D

So, in CVS pure build (uManiac) we have, in 5 motion search precision advanced diamond, and in 6 square search precision. Both are PMVfast.

In your builds, we have EPZS(^2) motion search.

Is this correct?

[Koepi]

Erm..... yupp. ;)

[AndyP]

Excuse my ignorance, but does that mean that search 5 (diamond) and 6 (square) are only relevant to PMVFast? ie. If I choose search 5 in the latest 8/8 build it will not be a diamond search pattern but something else?? :confused:

Andy

[Koepi]

Read again. :P

The default behaviour is advanceddiamond16 with SP5 and squares16 with SP6.

No matter which ME.

[sid]

Maybe we could summarize what to change...as far as i know Koepi changed the defaults in the last build so they should work fine...but you need to change settings from movie to movie...so i would like to know which settins you guys are using for your movie. Maybe it would help to name also movies and your settins for those movies here. I've seen a lot of very good XviD movies so far and i would like to get a nearly good setting for my encodes too.

I got tips for Nandub for example which helped me a lot, like switch off MBCM (and compression) or luma correction when i had problems with nasty blocks or changing antishit settings...

Maybe there are such hints for XviD too or at least how to configure XviD settings when you have dark, bright, fast, slow, 1CD, 2CD movies. Like i said the best would be to name movies and the settings for those movies here, sometimes it helps a lot to see what settings you used to test them for my movies too.

What i really like about XviD is that you dont have those nasty blocks or smear effects. But my encodes are often unsharp or you have this shit around heads or things.

[Koepi]

Sid,

how about this:

Test for yourself instead of relying on others doing the work for you!?

Regards,
Koepi

[sid]

ehm did you also re-invent mathematics or chemical formulas at school instead of reading it from books others have put a lot work in before ?
why should i try out everything again when others tried it before and got good/bad results ? i am sharing also what i found out... (maybe you should put as much attention to you comments as to your xvid binaries, think about that)

[Koepi]

Originally posted by sid
(maybe you should put as much attention to you comments as to your xvid binaries, think about that)

I love you too, honey.

I'm tired of people asking for "best settings" - there are none.

And what somebody finds a nice effect is totally ugly for someone else.

So, in the end you're stuck in a circle - you have to test it for yourself.

is THAT enough attention for a comment?

Ah, and the 5$ fee please to this account within the next 2 days: ... ;)

Koepi

[Marc FD]

Originally posted by Koepi

I'm tired of people asking for "best settings" - there are none.


FALSE !!
THERE ARE "BEST SETTINGS" :

_simply_ hit on "load defaults" :D
use search pre 6 (or 5 with EXT_SEARCH16 and ADVANCED_DIAMOND16)
(and try luma masking _if_ you have a a taste for _danger_ :cool: )

don't change anything else !!!!
you would never have more than a 1-2% improvements !!
but you can easily loose 10 hours of encoding for nothing...

Keep in mind :

1) default are the more used values, and because coders are too lazy to change the defaults (because testing only some hard-coded settings can really be lot of work !!) they only make tests with defaults.

= defaults would always be the more bugfree/improved settings.

2) To play with every settings of a codec in _ALPHA_ dev stage, you need to really be sure of yourself. The vars of the vfw frontend are not toys : they are here to do debugging !!
you can play with them as much as you want, but when things are serious, i keep always settings very close to defaults.

3) Don't think Koepi is a bad guy who likes to insult n00bs :
he is a mod who sees a "gimme the best XviD settings ever"[tm] thread every week, and finish to lose is good manners (and i understand im totally ;) )

[Koepi]

Thanks for stepping in Marc,

it's very nice written and should be very clear. Now we even have new defaults which should be _better_ than ever ;)

Btw., alt CC is very risky to modify. It's only for extremely advanced users as you can certainly mess up your encoding with it (so there is this problem of max improving 1-2% - or messing up with -50%!)

Thanks for understanding my situation. I really have read plenty of those threads which started with nandub about 2 years ago... :)

Regards,
Koepi

[sid]

@Koepi: I know that there are no best settings for a movie and if you would have read my starting post properly you would have take a notice of what i said, Koepi. Asking for the best settings ever is completely senseless, like your comment about what i wrote. I am sick of those people who just want to discuss about the sense of the question instead of really helping. If you dont like the question or dont know any help, then dont answer it. I thought you are so busy ?
There are just a few parameters which can be tweaked from movie to movie and that was what i am talking about. Again..read properly.
Btw i thought you have a honey in Turkey ? Do you always call other ppl your honeys while she is away ? :)

@Marc FD: thanks for your answer. it was much more helping then Koepis one. At least it told me that i get best results with the current defaults and some other tips. This is an example for how a reply post on a question should look like.

[Koepi]

Sid,

you keep being insulting. Read the headline of your post again. Nothing more to add.

I don't thik that you have the right to be so demanding. And judging about the quality of replies, whohoo. You're really a strange guy. But now there the age difference seems to show up again.

I should attach 313373R.exe here as well.

Koepi

[sid]

Wasnt it you who insult me with
"Test for yourself instead of relying on others doing the work for you!?
?

I'm not demanding, i was just asking. I repeat it again for you since i think you havent read my last post properly, again...
If you dont like the answer or does not know an answer, just dont reply and let other people reply who want to help instead coming up with dumb comments.
Only good comments who are related to the question are worth to be judged, if this is the right word. I dont think answers need to be judged, except dumb ones, like your senseless post. And dont forget you judged my question in the first place :) Any seriously meant answer is good and if it may include some wrong facts it is discussed instead of judged.

By the way: Bringing up an age difference just shows me that you are out of real point of view.

[Koepi]

Sorry, I can't find any insult in

"Test for yourself instead of relying on others doing the work for you!?"

BUT:

"I repeat it again for you since i think you havent read my last post properly, again... " <- you're so sure about it. Wherefrom does this knowledge come?

" If you dont like the answer or does not know an answer, just dont reply and let other people reply who want to help instead coming up with dumb comments. " <- so I'm dumb and should shut up.

"Only good comments who are related to the question are worth to be judged, if this is the right word." <- my comments aren't good. so they're not worth being judged.

"dont think answers need to be judged, except dumb ones, like your senseless post. " <- aha.

"By the way: Bringing up an age difference just shows me that you are out of real point of view" <- well, I see a huge difference between juveniles and their posts and more "mature" adults. Sorry.

"I am sick of those people who just want to discuss about the sense of the question instead of really helping." <- so I#m not helping with telling you that others can't know your taste and thus you need to judge (-> test) for yourself?

"If you dont like the question or dont know any help, then dont answer it. I thought you are so busy ?" <- kids talk, immature. sorry again.

"(maybe you should put as much attention to you comments as to your xvid binaries, think about that)" <- and again, huge insults.

So, now I'm tired of cutting&pasting.

I vote for a ban.

Koepi

[sid]

It may not be insulting for you but it is for me and i am sure it would be for others too.

The knowledge that you dont read my posts properly coming from the fact that i told you not to reply on questions you dont like or you dont have an answer on, but you do it anyways. Another fact which is showing me that you dont listen is that i already said at the beginning that i am not searching for the one and only perfect setting, but for tweaking options.

"so I'm dumb and should shut up" <- in this case, it would be better for you to shut up, because you have nothing useful to bring in then accusing me of letting others work for me.

"my comments aren't good. so they're not worth being judged. " <- i guess you misunderstood the whole meaning of this and the following sentence, but that doesnt seem to be the first time in this thread, so i am not gonna explain it again. just think about it

"well, I see a huge difference between juveniles and their posts and more "mature" adults. Sorry. " <- good that you know my age, you seem to know it very well....stays the same...bringing up an age difference in a discussion is just a sign of one side to run out of arguments.

"<- so I#m not helping with telling you that others can't know your taste and thus you need to judge (-> test) for yourself?" yes, you are not helping with telling that, since others like Marc FD for example had good answers on my question. and it was more the way how you said it.

"kids talk, immature. sorry again." it is a fact that those people who always need to give their shit about sense of questions to every thread makes forums bad. so it would be better for them to concentrate on helping and if they cant to shut up. and again: you seem to know very good how old i am, but i cant remember having you in my neighborhood or something...

"and again, huge insults. " and again, you started it.

If you are tired of cutting and pasting just leave this thread alone and let people like Marc FD answer on my questions. I really appreciate your work so far, not just for XviD, also for Nandub (and OggMux)...but your answer here was really senseless.

And another thing: To vote for a ban, just because you dont have any good arguments is a real kiddie behaviour, not what i said...you started the insults and stop questioning if your answer was insulting. It definitly was. Looked like as if i always let others work for me. This forum is also for sharing experiences...and that was what i was asking for.

[Koepi]

You simply don't get it, right?

You're in no position to give me orders.

So I won't shut up on your behalf.

If you read your posts, you'd see, that _even_ if you misunderstood my reply as insulting, which it wasn't in no way, that you're getting seriously out of any bounds here.

[sid]

I forgot i am the little kid, of course i cant give you any orders :rolleyes:

I tell you again if you want to hear it another time...it was insulting for me. This is not about a misunderstanding from my side, you know exactly that it would have been insulting for you, if i would have answered one of your questions in that way.

And if i just dont get it...why dont you just ignore this thread...would be easier then to f**k around with me here. You seem to be very interested in doing this and i dont see the reason why.

Again: The only useful comment since Koepis "insulting" (for me) post was Marc FDs. Thats like how an answer should be. Not about the sense of the question, but a good and useful answer.

EDIT: swearing *'d by Nic, I won't have swearing on the forum!

[Sigmatador]

peace? :D

[sid]

hehe yea Sigmatador, true word :)

[Teegedeck]

Sid, I strike you for violating forum rules 2, 4 and 12, especially 12 ("Do not ask "what's best""). I'm gonna make it only one strike as you are clearly not very experienced; but PLEASE have a look around how other users behave on Doom9's and try to act like that yourself. This is not the place to get worked up about a hurt ego or the like.

And: thread closed.