Better quality, CCE or Rempeg

[hoops10]

Just curious because I know people out there use both methods. I'll ask it anyway. What gives better quality for backing up a DVD, the IFOEdit + Rempeg method or the CCE + Maestro method?

[jdobbs]

The CCE+Maestro (or any other authoring software) method is vastly superior -- let me say that again... VASTLY SUPERIOR. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't own a copy of CCE...

[digisei]

I am completely satisfied with the IFO-edit and REMPEG-method because it is so easy and works flawlessly without having to reauthor anything.
I haven´t used CCE but on Armageddon I used rempeg to reduce the bitrate to 59% and even when comparing it on a beamer playback one can hardly tell the difference!

happy backup

digisei

[Sepen]

CCE is vastly superior. I use it usually with SpruceUp and have done many backups with it. It is easy to use after a couple of times and I wish I had done all my backups with it instead of the 50 or so I had done with ReMPEG. Not even close IMHO.

[Dirkbox]

Thats the diffrence. You say with REMPG you can hardly tell the diffrence.

With CCE you CAN'T tell the diffrence.

CEE wins every time

[orionware]

I did a test using with Vanilla Sky and CCE was noticably better. No artifacts for the same quality settings.

CCE Simply rocks.

[p3distxii]

Originally posted by Dirkbox
Thats the diffrence. You say with REMPG you can hardly tell the diffrence.

With CCE you CAN'T tell the diffrence.

CEE wins every time

yep yep

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[HomerJ]

I am still fairly new to DVD ripping and encoding, so please bare with me.

I only have access to ReMPEG2. (hence the title).

Rempeg2 is VERY easy too use.

It may take a little time to encode (using a P4 2Ghz about 7-10hrs).

I admit, the term "hardly tell the difference" comes to mind, because, from time to time there are periods when you "might" spot something "amiss". However, with modern filming techniques this might be intentional, rather than an encoding problem.

I can honestly say, I have not encoded a single movie (only done 8 so far) that has not been enjoyable to watch. And, just to qualify that, I have seen more than my fair share of other format movies !!
(VCD forget it !!)

Having said that, you guys that have access to CCE (and I'm sure have fully tried reMPEG2) must be the best judge.

In the mean time, I'll carry on saving the pennies, in the hope that one day, I too, will be in that elite band of people who enjoy the having the pleasure of using CCE (and the other applications necessary to produce a viewable DVD)

HomerJ :)

[Bigbucks1959]

CCE is superior IMO..in more ways than just quality.

I just did BEDAZZLED DVD.....
Tried using ReMPEG2 twice encoding and then remuxing...

Kept on getting a slight video pause every 5 seconds or so.....Made me very mad that I had tried twice and wasted 13 hours twice transcoding with ReMPEG2.

Well finally decide to try my hand at CCE and IFOEdit and Maestro way of encoding video. Very easy to find the info here on doom9.org..via the various guides.

It took less time to encode and I am very pleased with my results.

Phil K.

[AlainDelon]

Please bear in mind that the slight pauses is a problem with IfoEdit remuxing and NOT Rempeg2-check the m2v in Power dvd and you'll see it's playing smoothly.

[p3distxii]

I love CCE, however I STILL cannot figure out how to do a second pass using the VAF file. I followed the guide and cannot for the life of me figure out how to make any quality adjustments on the Q-graph. Someone please PM me if you can help. For now, I just use single-pass and set the Q-factor to about +/-20 and my m2v is usually about 4 gigs and stellar quality.

[Bigbucks1959]

Hmmmmmmmmmm...
IMO..the guide told me everything I needed to know..
You are following ...the guide on How to get the best out of CCE ??


Did u click on Q factor in the top right corner of your graph wiundow?


Phil K.


Originally posted by p3distxii
I love CCE, however I STILL cannot figure out how to do a second pass using the VAF file. I followed the guide and cannot for the life of me figure out how to make any quality adjustments on the Q-graph. Someone please PM me if you can help. For now, I just use single-pass and set the Q-factor to about +/-20 and my m2v is usually about 4 gigs and stellar quality.

[orionware]

To be honest I don't ever mess with the graph. I go over it once and then the second time I set the min at 0, the max at 9800 and the average at the calculated bitrate needed to get the video to the right size to fit on a dvd-r.

Works like a champ and I have never been sorry with the results.

O

[Sepen]

Originally posted by orionware
To be honest I don't ever mess with the graph. I go over it once and then the second time I set the min at 0, the max at 9800 and the average at the calculated bitrate needed to get the video to the right size to fit on a dvd-r.

Works like a champ and I have never been sorry with the results.

O


Exactly the way I do it. :)

[Bigbucks1959]

How many passes do u do the second time with CCE?
I normally do 3 passes for GREAT Quailty.

Phil K.


Originally posted by orionware
To be honest I don't ever mess with the graph. I go over it once and then the second time I set the min at 0, the max at 9800 and the average at the calculated bitrate needed to get the video to the right size to fit on a dvd-r.

Works like a champ and I have never been sorry with the results.

O

[orionware]

hehe. Depends on if I am going to be awake or not :)

A three pass usually takes me about 5-6 hours. I've done it a few times and yes the quality is great. Twice I've tested single pass against three and only once could I tell the three pass was cleaner.

If I have the time I always try to do three pass. Especially if I am using a lower than I would like bitrate.


O

[Bigbucks1959]

Great Thx for the info..
I just did the DVD Bedazzled..and I did 3 pass but I did not use the
max bitrate that I could have used for my average....Next time I will.

Doing XMen DVD next

Phil K.

[erwan]

i personally do a one pass vbr.
to get the best quality, i lower the q factor as much as possible so i fill up my 4.7 go

quality is simply awesome.

i used rempeg2 for a long time also and i have to say the tool is great if you dont mind waiting for hours and as long as you dont go lower than 80% of the original bitrate.

after that point i personaly notice a serious deprecation on quality.

erwan

[philemon666]

Just wondering for those of you using CCE. What is the file size of your program (before installation)> Just I got a copy off a "friend" and wondering whether its the full version.

Cheers

[p3distxii]

Originally posted by Bigbucks1959
Hmmmmmmmmmm...
IMO..the guide told me everything I needed to know..
You are following ...the guide on How to get the best out of CCE ??


Did u click on Q factor in the top right corner of your graph wiundow?


Phil K.




Yes, I did. I'm in the Q graph but I don't know what to click to make quality adjustments.

[Bigbucks1959]

Have you followed this guide to the T...for CCE Encoding on your second pass?

Verbatim from guide:
Now let's get started. Unfortunately this will take a few minutes of your time. Move through the movie in a linear fashion (no going back) using the +10s button to advance by 10 seconds. Keep watching the graph. If you got a gray background like this you will want to change it:

---Match up the pictures on guide with what u c on your screen----

Use the -GOP button to locate the beginning of the gray area, then press the Set button on the right of the In field. Then advance to the end of the gray area and use the Set button to mark the Out position. Then start increasing the min bitrate. Then press Set and let CCE calculate the new curve. Do this until the gray area has turned green (you'll see that the colored lines will begin to descend as you increase the bitrate). In some cases it's not possible to get rid of the gray part as the max bitrate is being used already (you can see that by switching to the bitrate view). In that case there's nothing you can do and you can move on to the next position.

If you press Set the settings you have made will be kept until you do a global bitrate change. When you're fixing gray parts you may want to use the Fix button to make the changes permanent so that even when you increase the global bitrate the bitrate in the part that you set manually will still be kept.


This is a fine tuning way of increasing your quality...You can also just increase your bitrate average as others have mentioned to make the video fit onto your DVDR..

I would reead through this part of the guide again and slowly.

Step 4: 2nd pass

While CCE is still open right click and select edit yet again.

Change the Video Encoding mode to Multipass VBR and set the number of passes to 1. Also set the average bitrate to 2000, the min bitrate to 0 and the max bitrate to 9800. Then press the Advanced button.



Phil K.

[p3distxii]

Thanks for pointing that out. That is obviously what I missed. The guide is in so many pieces, you start to feel like you've already read it a lot of times. I'll have to do that on the next movie I do. Thanks for the help BigBucks

[orionware]

Step 4: 2nd pass

While CCE is still open right click and select edit yet again.

Change the Video Encoding mode to Multipass VBR and set the number of passes to 1. Also set the average bitrate to 2000, the min bitrate to 0 and the max bitrate to 9800. Then press the Advanced button.


I don't understand exactly why it says to set the average to 2000 when the average will vary for the size of the original movie and the available space after the audio track and any extras you are preserving.

Shouldn't this part be rewritten to tell you to calculate the average bitrate needed and use that?

O

[guboogi]

you can set it at 2000 to start (or any other number if you get used to encoding movies and can guesstimate a better number) and when you go to the "advanced" tab you will see the quality of all the scenes in the movie as well as the projected file size. basically you want to make the quality of the scenes as good as possible without going over your size limit. since you can change the average bitrate on the fly and have it recalculate values, you're not REALLY picking 2000 kbps but just using that as a starting point.

at least, that's what i've been doing and what i understand.

[Bigbucks1959]

YEP, just set it at 2000 and then on second pass in advanced make it fit close to your dvdr size with audio by adjusting the average bitrate...I also tweak certain scenes just to see what happens...

Just did XMEN DVDR this way................UNBELIEVABLE QUALITY.

You CANNOT tell it is a DVDR VS the DVD....

LOVE THAT CCE........once you understand how to set the advanced settings.

On this DVDR.I finally learned how to use Bitrate viewer..makes your job of settings under advanced much easier and gives you a TOP SHELF DVDR.

Phil K.


Originally posted by guboogi
you can set it at 2000 to start (or any other number if you get used to encoding movies and can guesstimate a better number) and when you go to the "advanced" tab you will see the quality of all the scenes in the movie as well as the projected file size. basically you want to make the quality of the scenes as good as possible without going over your size limit. since you can change the average bitrate on the fly and have it recalculate values, you're not REALLY picking 2000 kbps but just using that as a starting point.

at least, that's what i've been doing and what i understand.

[guboogi]

just a question to those who say that they set minimum at 0, maximum at 9800 and average set to maximize the free space:

when doing a multipass, i've been setting the minimum to 1000. is this good/bad and why? also, i tried with a bitrate of 9800 and got a "bitrate too high" error in scenarist, and for one i even did 9200 and the videoplayback was choppy (if it even played) on some set top players. how are you guys getting away with doing 9800 as the max and not running into high bitrate problems?

[Dirkbox]

How many sound tracks are you using and what type are they? 5.1, DTS or 2 channel

[guboogi]

usually 1 5.1 channel at 384kbps. just to be safe, what is a rough estimate of a good maximum bitrate to use (total)? i've heard 9000 but does lowering the max bitrate affect video quality a lot?

[mcp]

I prefer TMPGENC,because I think that the quality looks better than with CCE.
:confused: ;)

[jdobbs]

guboogi,

You should alway set the minimum as low as possible -- that preserves bandwidth for high demand areas in multipass VBR. There is no good reason to set it higher unless you have some strange application that has limits on a certain rate or is sensitive to large swings in bitrate. That isn't the case in DVD video. There is no quality improvement (at all) in raising the minimum bitrate in multipass VBR, it is VERY probable, however it WILL increase the quality in high demand areas when it is set to zero.

jdobbs

[orionware]

j/k mcp

Generally I am of the ilk that believes an individual should do whatever makes themselves happy, so if you prefer TMPGenc then you should use it. God knows it's easier to use.

But with a little experimentation it's easy to see the CCE does compress better with a better result when comparing bitrate to bitrate.

O

[cybercrap]

Originally posted by guboogi
usually 1 5.1 channel at 384kbps. just to be safe, what is a rough estimate of a good maximum bitrate to use (total)? i've heard 9000 but does lowering the max bitrate affect video quality a lot?

I always set mine to 9300 because i usually use a 448kbps track and I have never had a problem with any dvds. I love cce, works great, I usually get my q factor below 4 and sometimes below 3. Screw that whole 9 q factor they suggest. I try to set my dvds around average of 4000kbps and I haven't had any problems with size, but I also haven't encoded anything longer than 2.5hrs or so.