Pioneer 104 burn failure?

[hoops10]

I just tried burning my first movie, so I decided to use a -rw. Good thing. It got to almost the end and gave me this error:

Communication error
Burn failed at 1x

How can this be? It says a have buffer underrun protection and I had the following settings.

Nero 5.5.8.0
DVD-Video option, Mode 1, No joliet, no relaxed restrictions

Used Trilight's method (combo of CCE + Maestro) to get just the menu, main movie and 1 audio stream.

I tried switching the Secondary IDE channel (which the burner is on by itself) to PIO mode and am burning a 2nd time now. Any help?

UPDATE
This time the burn worked but I still have questions. Why did it work on PIO instead of DMA (I have it connected using an UDMA66 cable, the one with the blue connector)?

[Tatjahna]

You then have a board with 4 IDE controller is that right?

I wonder if the UDMA-66 and UDMA-100 cables are the same :confused: I have those too.

I really don't know about your PIO success and UDMA fail ... I have the same drive as you, and on the boot section the drive is detected as UDMA-2 .. And running under XP, I have an option to tell to switch to PIO mode if UDMA don't work so I cannot see if the informations gave at boot time are correct.

I suggest you to do a search on "Pioneer 104 PIO mode" in Google in the newsgroups if you cannot find any answer in there, this search engine is really great and you always find usefull informations from newsgroups.

[svcdentro]

It's always recommended to connect 2 devices designed to share information on two different slots, example hd ide1, cdrw ide2.
Even Nero shows a warning when you are going to burn on the fly if your devices are on the same ide channel because of the information speeds.

I recommend this configurations:

2 devices 1 hd master ide 1/1 cd master ide2
3 devices 1 hd master ide 1/1 cdrw master ide 2__1 hd slave ide 2
1 hd master ide 1/1 cd slave ide 2/1 cdrw master ide 1
4 devices 1 hd master ide 1/2 cdrw slave ide 1/1 hd master ide2_2 cd slave ide2

And always use the Enable DMA option! And udma 66 cables. blue/gray/black___slot/master/slave

[Mazze]

There has been some problems with the a03/a04 and DMA. I got that exact same problem, pioneer has a guide on their homepage that tells you to run the drive in PIO only if you are running win2000 or XP.

My solution was to move the drive to an other IDE port, try running the drive as a secondary slave as that seems to work for some. I run it on a Promise tx2 100 IDE card now and it works like a charm. Running it as a secondary master didn't work except in PIO.

Good luck.

[mikeathome]

Originally posted by Mazze
There has been some problems with the a03/a04 and DMA. I got that exact same problem, pioneer has a guide on their homepage that tells you to run the drive in PIO only if you are running win2000 or XP.

My solution was to move the drive to an other IDE port, try running the drive as a secondary slave as that seems to work for some. I run it on a Promise tx2 100 IDE card now and it works like a charm. Running it as a secondary master didn't work except in PIO.

Good luck.

... my solution was to move the A03 outside the box into a DataFab Firewire external case with extra cooler, since then ~120 DVD-R burned ALL @ 2x and (knock knock knock on wood) NOT A SINGLE COASTER ...

P.S. Upgrade you NERO, Ver. 5.0.8.0 does not follow the DVD Spec.

mike

[hoops10]

Here is how I have it set up, on my Primary IDE channel I have 2 hds, one 30-gig 7200 and one 20-gig 5400. On the Secondary IDE channel, I just have the Pioneer 104 burner. Am I missing out on anything great with having to use it in PIO mode? What is the difference between DMA and PIO mode with concerns to the Pioneer 104 dvd burner? Thanks.

[padre]

hoops10,

UDMA/DMA is a much higher transfer rate than standard IO (PIO) mode. But the problem is that some devices buffers can't keep up. That's what the original problem with A03/103 was, then the new A04/104 was suppose to allow you to use DMA.

I have the original A03 and have had to turn off DMA on the channel the drive is connected to, otherwise I get burn errors. Sucks, but at least no coasters.

Padre

[TRILIGHT]

Originally posted by Mazze
There has been some problems with the a03/a04 and DMA. I got that exact same problem, pioneer has a guide on their homepage that tells you to run the drive in PIO only if you are running win2000 or XP....Running it as a secondary master didn't work except in PIO.

My DVR-104 drive is the master on the secondary channel with a CDRW drive running as a slave. I run Windows XP and the drive has worked flawlessly as UDMA since I first installed it. I suspect that many problems people report are due to issues with heat and/or sub-par memory and systemboards. Since I have been using my Asus P4B board with a Crucial 512MB PC133 DIMM, I have had exactly ZERO installation problems with any drive or card I've used.

[PB Junior]

Originally posted by mikeathome


... my solution was to move the A03 outside the box into a DataFab Firewire external case with extra cooler, since then ~120 DVD-R burned ALL @ 2x and (knock knock knock on wood) NOT A SINGLE COASTER ...

P.S. Upgrade you NERO, Ver. 5.0.8.0 does not follow the DVD Spec.

mike

I had the same problems. Went Firewire too and it has been perfect.

[auenf]

all those that have problems with A03/4 and dma, post what mobo you have, im pretty sure i know what the problem is ;)

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[PB Junior]

Originally posted by auenf
all those that have problems with A03/4 and dma, post what mobo you have, im pretty sure i know what the problem is ;)

Enf...

I have Asus A7M-266 and I think you are on to something. My friend has exact same setup and has same problems I had. It's gotta be the mobo!!

[auenf]

Originally posted by PB Junior


I have Asus A7M-266 and I think you are on to something. My friend has exact same setup and has same problems I had. It's gotta be the mobo!!

lets see, A7M266, AMD 761/VIA 686B, your IDE controller is VIA, thats guess #1 right.

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[hoops10]

My setup is Athlon 1.2 GHz Tbird, Abit KT7A mobo, PC133 Ram. What do you think, auenf?

[auenf]

Originally posted by hoops10
My setup is Athlon 1.2 GHz Tbird, Abit KT7A mobo, PC133 Ram. What do you think, auenf?

KT7A is 686B southbridge w/the same VIA ide controller (KT133A chipset)

BTW: anyone who is using DMA fine with via chipset, please reply with which mobo...

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[REECYCUP]

i am using tyan s2507 with via chipset
no probs with dma

[auenf]

Originally posted by REECYCUP
i am using tyan s2507 with via chipset
no probs with dma

S2507 is VIA Apollo Pro 133A chipset (694x/686B), same ide controller as the previous two, but its an intel chipset not an AMD chipset.

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[dvd_master]

Originally posted by mikeathome


... my solution was to move the A03 outside the box into a DataFab Firewire external case with extra cooler, since then ~120 DVD-R burned ALL @ 2x and (knock knock knock on wood) NOT A SINGLE COASTER ...


Where can you get those? Do they have a USB version ? It could just have been the DVD burner i tried it with, but it won't detect my external Firewire DVD burner. I don't want to buy it is this one won't work either.

[mikeathome]

Originally posted by dvd_master
Where can you get those? Do they have a USB version ? It could just have been the DVD burner i tried it with, but it won't detect my external Firewire DVD burner. I don't want to buy it is this one won't work either.

Hi,

I got it in Germany from digitalplanet.de AND guess what, first it did not work either...

Then I remembered what the guy was telling me when I purchased it, he told me that he'd done some re-flash with new firmware. That made me suspicious, I contacted DataFab and 'Joe' from the European Support Center sent me a wonderful piece of software called firmware uploader.
With this software you are able to flash new firmware and set certain parameters in the firmware of the Oxford 900/911 Chip e.g. the detection mode, all via firewire. There's a so called 'unknown' mode which basically does an extended device identification check and reports the found device transparent to the OS device driver, et voila the burner was accepted, so where all harddisks from now on.
This 'unknown' mode should be the default as it allow the usage of every IDE device. This is valid for DataFab cases with Oxford 900/911 chipset. I don't know whether this is valid for other setups as well.

I you consider USB, you should seek for USB 2.0 standard, requires a NEW MB or external PCI controller. I guess USB 1.0 would be to slow for DVD-R.

AND finally, YES DataFab has USB external cases as well. From my experience a wonderful and helpful support...

mike

[dvd_master]

Any american sites where i can get them ??

[mikeathome]

Originally posted by dvd_master
Any american sites where i can get them ??

Hi, do u really want us to search the IN for you...

mike, google-lover ('shop' AND 'firewire' AND 'cases')

P.S. I get $50/h when holding training ;-)

[auenf]

Originally posted by mikeathome
P.S. I get $50/h when holding training ;-)

lol, google training....

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[dvd_master]

what...... ???!

[mikeathome]

Originally posted by dvd_master
what...... ???!

... pls. go and search the net yourself, my name's NOT James

regards, mike