DVD2SVCD is too automated...

[hyperspaced]

Hello to everybody,

I recently started using DVD2SVCD, which is a great program.
The problem however, is that it is TOO automated. It does everything by itself. For example, I create the audio stream and the DVD2AVI project myself, and I would not like DVD2SVCD to do this step for me.

Any ideas ?


Thanks,
--hyperspaced

[orbit-r]

hi
i don`t understand you,
i think this is the sense of an allinone solution,that you hit go after do the settings...why doing the the dvd2avi project by hand?
why the sound?

gruss
orbit-r

[hyperspaced]

thanks for taking the time to reply,

DVD2SVCD is a great program, but there are some movies that cannot be processed automatically and require special attention.

For example, on of my favorite thrillers "Prince of Darkness", contains trailers on the first chapter. The traillers last about 10 minutes, and I surely don't want to encode that ! So, it's nice making your own D2V project.

Another example is the audio : the settings that can be used with BeSweet (advanced audio settings etc.) are more that the settings defined in DVD2SVCD. So, again, it's nice making your own MP2 and set DVD2SVCD to use that file.

Do you happen to know how do I specify my own D2V, MP2 files in DVD2SVCD ????

Another question : Does anyone has a good source of information about the SVCD structure and/or any suggested software for the authoring ?

Thanks,
--hyperspaced

[dvd2svcd]

Originally posted by hyperspaced
thanks for taking the time to reply,

DVD2SVCD is a great program, but there are some movies that cannot be processed automatically and require special attention.So for the sake of a few you want to make dvd2svcd non-automated?


Originally posted by hyperspaced
For example, on of my favorite thrillers "Prince of Darkness", contains trailers on the first chapter. The traillers last about 10 minutes, and I surely don't want to encode that ! So, it's nice making your own D2V project.Just deselect the chapters you don't want. I bet the trailer has it's own chapter.

Originally posted by hyperspaced
Another example is the audio : the settings that can be used with BeSweet (advanced audio settings etc.) are more that the settings defined in DVD2SVCD. So, again, it's nice making your own MP2 and set DVD2SVCD to use that file.All possible Besweet options is available in dvd2svcd so I don't see the problem. Try the dropdown button next to besweet.exe inputfield in the audio tab.

Originally posted by hyperspaced
Do you happen to know how do I specify my own D2V, MP2 files in DVD2SVCD ????Not possible without doing some special tricks which defies the automatic procedure.

Originally posted by hyperspaced
Another question : Does anyone has a good source of information about the SVCD structure and/or any suggested software for the authoring ?http://www.uwasa.fi/~f76998/video/

[hyperspaced]

Although not entirely correct, I see your point and I tend to agree to some extent.

But, I mean... come on! ...how hard can it be to add a d2v and a mp2 input file option, and generally DVD2SVCD becoming more "modular" ???(like g-knot more or less)


anyway, thank you very much for the reply
--hyperspaced

[Mac Sidewinder]

Thats the whole point of an "all in one" package. If you want that much control over individual options simply do each stage by itself. All the way from ripping to muxing.

I don't know about other users but I really appreciate not having to do each step myself. I think that the user has quite a bit of control over each section anyway. If you keep putting in more options then it will be too complicated for the average user.

How can you complain anyway when its for free. Think of all the work that had to go into it before you start tearing it apart.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Mac

[Dreassica]

I do the audio seperate too when doing DivX to SVCD, because when i let avi2SVCD do it, it ends up slightly off synch with the video ( i do a NTSC to PAL slowdown) and have a lot of annoying "clicks" in the audio, like it's trying to resynch.. Now i don't use pulldown, i just speed up the movie FPS to 25fps and slow down the WAV to match the time off the video using Cooledit!!

[Trahald]

my friend has no clue about dvd backup.. but he can backup his stuff with ease with dvd2svcd and thats why i like it

i prefer to do everystep myself.. and if you have special needs for backing up then thats all you have to do

the only long part is the video encoding.. do that overnight then just hook everything together.. its easy

i wish there was a avi version of dvd2svcd .. where all you had to do was put the dvd in and hit go.. for people who dont feel like messing with all the steps themselves or newbs like my friend.. but alas there isnt

once you have to do a few steps on your own.. you might as well do it all
imho

[Mac Sidewinder]

@w00kiee - if you're talking using an avi as input, dvd2svcd can do it. If you're talking a prog like dvd2svcd for taking dvds to avi then check out gordianknot. Its pretty much automated.

Mac

[kydongau]

Originally posted by hyperspaced
Although not entirely correct, I see your point and I tend to agree to some extent.

But, I mean... come on! ...how hard can it be to add a d2v and a mp2 input file option, and generally DVD2SVCD becoming more "modular" ???(like g-knot more or less)


anyway, thank you very much for the reply
--hyperspaced

Why dont you just copy your own audio files over the one generated by dvd2svcd.

[jledhead]

I used to do all my encoding using each piece of software individually. doing the video and then doing the audio all seperate and with several pieces of software per process (especially for the audio) and that was the biggest pain in the arse to me.

I am personnally happy with dvd2svcd and happy they made it. if you want it non automated goto start-run and type command (or cmd) and when in the dos box goto each software and run it commandline and do the encoding piece by piece.

[hyperspaced]

How can you complain anyway when its for free. Think of all the work that had to go into it before you start tearing it apart.

I didn't say that I didn't like the program, I just said that using your own audio and d2v project would be nicer. For example, I have spent over 2 days, trying to fix a very weird audio-video desync problem, which I think would be solved if somebody had more control over the process (i.e. create the d2v file by himself). (Problem : movie plays fine on PC, but audio is 1 sec ahead of video)

However things are, I AM NOT complaining. I still think that it's a great program. I am just proposing some ideas to become better. :)


I do the audio seperate too when doing DivX to SVCD, because when i let avi2SVCD do it, it ends up slightly off synch with the video ( i do a NTSC to PAL slowdown) and have a lot of annoying "clicks" in the audio, like it's trying to resynch.. Now i don't use pulldown, i just speed up the movie FPS to 25fps and slow down the WAV to match the time off the video using Cooledit!!

Speed up the movie and slow down the audio ??? Wow !!!!! I am impressed !!!!! I am afraid I met SVCD conversion from the bad side... Too tell you the truth, I wouldn't dare do something like that :) :) :) I leave these kind of experimentations for my DivX movies, which encode perfectly all the time.


Why dont you just copy your own audio files over the one generated by dvd2svcd.

Tried to, but program generated an error...



PS: Do you know that the SVCD standard supports VBR MPEG-1 layer II audio ? Has anybody done that ?

[Dreassica]

I mistyped a bit..it should have said: speed up" too!!

About VBR mp2.. U can try it, but i don't think many standalone players will support it. And even then u will have to downsample to 44.100 too, otherwise it won't work. The option to do it , is there in Besweet, but it notes that it is still experimental!!
Just try a Test clip and play it back on ur standalone!
It probably won't work on mine, because mine doesn't even support VBR mp3's, while it does support CBR mp3!

[Chetwood]

Please don't you dare making a non-automated version just because of some weirdo. We love DVD2SVCD the way it is... except for some minor improvements (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=158298#post158298) of course.

[Trahald]

@Mac Sidewinder - i meant avi output.. i luv gordian knot.. use it all the time(to make .avs files for my xvids).. if there were a 100% automated avi maker i probably wouldnt use it.. hehe.. but i just think it would be nice to have

[Doom9]

@chetwood: while I agree with you (I like that everything is automated.. makes the program much more accessible) calling hyperspaced a weirdo just because he thinks different is not very nice. Please try to refrain from making such statements in the future.. we have seen too many escalations over the most simple things in the past. Everybody is entitled to his/her own opinion.

[Chetwood]

Originally posted by Doom9
@chetwood: while I agree with you (I like that everything is automated.. makes the program much more accessible) calling hyperspaced a weirdo just because he thinks different is not very nice. Please try to refrain from making such statements in the future.. we have seen too many escalations over the most simple things in the past. Everybody is entitled to his/her own opinion.

Right, right. Actually I did not consider 'weirdo' being a swear word in any case, more of a 'funny' comment. I guess it's because - being a non-native speaker - I obviously do not know too much of words' connotations so please don't take it personal.

[hyperspaced]

It's OK,

I never felt offended anyway :)

I can understand chetwood and all people that simply want to skip over the details :)

The whole point is to make a recommendation to the author, just to *ADD* a "step-by-step" mode in order to have more control over some difficult movies.

thanks to everybody who took the time to reply.
--hyperspaced

[GreenDrazi]

So you’re having sync problems..... well, consider quitting the uphill battle of learning multiplexing and learn how to live within the constrains of DVD2SVCD and you will be much happier in the long run. Can you give us more detail about why you want it more customized, because a lot of what your having problems with DVD2SVCD may be easily solved.

Did you actually look at the ripped VOB’s to see if those pre-movie trailers were still there?
Most DVD’s that I’ve ripped which have pre-movie trailers or advertisements have those parts removed during the DVD2SVD rip with “Use Internal Routines” method or they can be removed as a chapter as “Fiddler of DVD2sVCD” pointed out. And let’s say you want to add these back or perhaps other items like DVD bonus material or a title sequence - then use a stand alone ripper like SmartRipper which will let you select almost any sequence on a particular DVD (if the sequence is available as a menu item) and then afterwards, decode with DVD2SVCD as a mpeg file (“Don’t Make Images”). Then use an authoring program like VCDEasy to compile an SVCD yourself of the mpegs you created.

If that just doesn’t work for you, then try a stand alone app like TMPGEnc2 to encode and mux.
But I get much better encodes (and it’s really much, much easier) using DVD2SVCD with CCE.
And I also have a lot more time left over to actually watch some of my SVCD’s!!:)