What is the final vertict on Nero 5.5.9.0

[bbiandov]

I have heard comments from both sides but still can not decide what is the final vertict on Nero 5.5.9.0 DVD burning. Does it work or does it not?

Thanks
Boyan

[cinders]

I'd use PrimoDVD 2.0 - it'll burn your DVD in an ISO/UDF Format without Joliet - this is the recognised standard for stand alone DVD players.

You could select these options in Nero.

I would recommend PrimoDVD though, I've used both and found a couple of DVD's burned with Primo has worked in a standalone that hasn't worked with Nero (in same format)

Hope this helps,
Cinders.

[orionware]

Primo 2.0 is much better if your burner is supported.

I've tried Nero and have had issues with playability.

With primo, if the project it authored correctly, it burns a playable disc.

O

[TRILIGHT]

I think it's important that before people knock Nero that they say what version it was, what their settings were, and what player they tried to play it on. Before 5.5.8.0, I had a lot of problems. Version 5.5.8.0 was the first version that they introduced the DVDVideo option. Since then, I've used this version/option with ISO mode 1, no Joliet, and no relaxed restrictions, and have had perfect burns every time.

Now, since 5.5.8.0, it appears that Ahead has introduced a lot more checking of the files before it allows the burn to proceed. This has caused a problem for my personal method because when it sees that the IFO and VOB files have changed from what is expected, it complains and will not allow the burn to continue. I have burned TONS of discs with 5.5.8.0 and have not had a single problem playing them on any of the players I've tried.

It has recently come to my attention that choosing ISO/UDF instead of DVD Video, will alleviate the problems with the software saying the IFO and VOB files are different. I personally have not tested this theory yet. Just FYI, the players that have played all of my discs perfectly include 3 different types of Sony, 2 different types of Panasonic, and the DVD player in my Compaq Armada M700 laptop.

[bbiandov]

TRILIGHT, why would Nero complain about your vob/ifo files if those are correct and proper despite they may have come from a bigger compilation. Wouldn't all that info that might reveal the original vob state be all gone by now after vob streams strip and total ifo rebuilt and vto sector adjustments?

[TRILIGHT]

You would think, but it still doesn't like the reintegration. Like I said, someone informed me that ISO/UDF does not make the same complaint but I've not tested it myself yet.

[bbiandov]

TRILIGHT, at what point does your Nero complain about the VOB/IFO files? When you drag and drop the files into the pre-created VIDEO_TS folder inside your project (Nero creates it as soon as you select new-dvd video and its also colored in red) or when you actually hit WRITE the dvd from the burn pull-down menu?

THanks
Boyan

[TRILIGHT]

When you try to write.

[HomerJ]

bbiandov,

I'm not sure if it's not too soon to be asking this question. The release has only been available for just over a week.

I upgraded last Saturday (6th) from version 5.5.8.2.

So far I have had no problems, (I have burnt about 6 movies) before that, I was not able to use it at all, so things are looking quite good.

Having said that, I have not tried all the features (especially CD burning), but I have had no problems with that in the past.

I would suggest a period of at least a month before giving the package some sort of rating.

In case you think I'm biased, I have spotted a few anomalies, like it refers to "CD burning", when in fact you are "DVD burning", but I can live with those sort of mishaps.

HomerJ
:)

[bbiandov]

HomerJ,

How do you burn the dvd-r? This is what my guess is going to be when I start testing with it:

http://bobo.uptimeusa.com/~aslight/nero.jpg

Do you know what is the difference between DVD-Video and DVD IOS/UDF? They both have same file system. Does video do anything special when selected?

[HomerJ]

bbiandov,

They have changed the screens since 5.5.8.2. I got quite a shock when I went through the "create DVD" options.

You just tell Nero you want to burn a DVD, I can't quite remember the exact sequence, and can't look at the moment, as I'm encoding (23hrs gone 10 to go).

It really is quite forward, you are not offered any of the options which you are used to.

It even creates the \AUDIO_TS & \VIDEO_TS directories for you as well. You just drop you VOB files in, just like audio files.

One small point, it dosen't seem to offer a "Test & Burn" feature, but so far I've had no problems (Using Datasafe 3rd Generation discs £1-50 each)

[TRILIGHT]

The screen is the same. It sounds as if you are referring to Nero Express.

[bbiandov]

HomerJ, the screen on that shot is from 5590. It looks to me exactly like any of the old versions. The sticking point is this, is there a difference between create iso/udf compilation or DVD-Video compilation. They both use exact same iso/udf fs but from what I can see dvd-video also creates the two folders for you.

Now is there anything else that you CAN NOT 'see' but that makes or brakes a dvd-r or both are identical only dvd-video creates two folders for your own convinience?

Boyan

[HomerJ]

Thanks for the update on the screens, I was following the wizard for disc making, but do prefer to choose my own settings if possible. (I did think it was a bit strange)

Doh !!!

I'm just off to work, so I'll investigate further when I get home.

Thanks guys.

HomerJ

[slk001]

Later versions of NERO do seem to have a more "nannyish" insistance on your DVD-Video compliations being totally DVD compliant. I just wish that I had a button that said "IGNORE COMPILATION ERRORS", or at least, a more detailed explanation of what exactly the error is. However, I do appreciate the fact that NERO is checking for compliance to the standard. I usually rip an entire DVD, then strip out the unwanted video title sets and audio and subtitle strings to get the resulting DVD to less than 4.7GB. The most common error is with the number of video title sets (VTS) that is listed 3 times in the VIDEO_TS.IFO file. I find that if I correct this number in all three places, I usually have a compliant DVD.

[HomerJ]

Guys,

I've checked out the screens. I was following the normal "wizard" NOT "Nero Express". The wizard was active as soon as I launched Nero, so I thought this was "normal". DAMN those Ulead people !!!!

The wizard was opening as default. When I manually closed the wizard, I then saw the "normal" screen.

DOH !!!

How am I supposed to learn if I don't know these things ?????

Thanks again guys for pointing this out to me.

Having said that, I am having great success using the wizard. To quote a well known phrase "It does what is says on the packet" (well, box actually).

To recap once again, Nero 5.5.9.0 is a definate improvement to 5.5.8.2 as far as I'm concerned.

HomerJ :rolleyes:

[bbiandov]

slk001, funny I am trying to get Nero to complain about that but I can't. So I figure there is one dirrence in how we do things. I never copy any of the original IFO files. I re-generate them with ifoedit.

So then Nero never complains. At some point I started to worry that something is really wrong with my version since I have seen lots of people complain about that Nero VOB checking and I have never experienced it.

Do you use the original in your comps or you re-generate them too?

Boyan

[slk001]

I usually keep the original because I also keep the original menu. If you just want the movie as the "First Play PGC" then using IFOEdit to generate a new .IFO is the way to go. The biggest problem with my method is sometimes the .IFO and the rest of the movie don't jibe, so NERO "hiccups". This won't happen to you, because of the "fresh" start you are generating.

[HomerJ]

For the first time last night, Nero didn't allow me to burn a disc.

I had accidently copied across a *.txt file.

Nero had spotted this as it's not a valid file for DVDs.

I guess it saved me making a coaster.

Still not had a single "bad" disc/copy since upgrading to 5.5.9.0, and I burnt 5.

HomerJ :)

[bbiandov]

So then can we summarize this discussion to the fact that if 5.5.9.0 does pass a DVD then it will work everywhere? If anyone has data to prove the oposite please let us know,

boyan

[HomerJ]

Bottom Line :-

It gets' the thumbs up from me.

HomerJ :D

[f@chance]

Just to add my experience. Nero 5.5.82 was happy burning DVDs which were compiled with DVD Maestro. After upgrading to 5.5.90 it first started to complain about the *.lay file in the Video_TS folder and said it is illegal. DVDs burned with 5.5.82 had the the *.LAY file but I didn't think anything about it until I played the first DVD. When selecting a movie it plays for the first second or so garbage before playing the opening credits of the movie. This has never happened and I am considering going back to 5.5.82 to see if it makes a difference.

I have also heard that burning DVDs with Primo does away with some annoyances. I play a movie all of a sudden a break in the sound and picture I rewind and it plays perfect. I have read somewhere experiences of individuals that compile the DVD to IOS/UDF format and than burn it with Primo and no more annoyances.

F@Chance:mad:

[bbiandov]

Well for those who wonder, I have found a 100% reliable way but its long so that is why I am diggin into nero. My way is to do 100% of the process with ifoedit - that is strip, create ifo files, create image using vob extras menu of ifoedit and then burn that image using ulead movie factory program that came with my burner. it had worked on ps/2, xbox and all dvd players that i could get my hands on.

..but its slower than just doing nero files drag and drop

[bbiandov]

HomerJ,

Can you post your Nero procedure, most importantly what selections do you make, do you use DVD-Video template or ISO/UDF, what ISO level (1 or 2) etc stuff

I am suddently making coasters just as I was going to say that Nero is good despite the negative feedback around.

Also if you dont mind mentioning how your VOBs come to life just before you drag and drop them into the nero project

thanks
bb