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JFerguson
11th July 2002, 00:56
Hey all. I'm having trouble getting DVD2SVCD to generate an image that fills an 80-minute CDR. I'm ripping/converting the first half of the Recess School's Out movie (animated feature) at 42:11 minutes:seconds and I keep getting an image that's around 620MB.

I used the bitrate calculator at vcdhelp.com and got a figure of 2375 for average bitrate and popped that into the max average setting but it didn't seem to make any difference.

Does anyone have any ideas on this? I have had this problem with other rips of animated films.

Here's the log from my last try:

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- 7/10/2002 1:10:22 PM
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.0.9 build 3
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 7/10/2002 1:10:24 PM
- Analyzing subtitles
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Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x20 Language: English

Executing subtitle selection/verification.
Subtitle selection/verification accepted.
1 subtitle streams selected.
Saving Subtitles ini file
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- 7/10/2002 1:10:32 PM
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[D:\M-Recess1\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[D:\M-Recess1\VTS_01_1.vob,D:\M-Recess1\VTS_01_2.vob,D:\M-Recess1\VTS_01_3.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 7/10/2002 1:14:09 PM
- Free on drive D: 11826.80 mb
- Extracting the subtitles.
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Subtitle extraction finished. Extracted these subtitles:
SVCD Stream no: 1 Language: English Num. of subs: 669

Saving Subtitles ini file
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- 7/10/2002 1:19:19 PM
- Free on drive D: 11818.96 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: D:\M-Recess1\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: -67 ms
Audio extraction finished.

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- 7/10/2002 1:23:18 PM
- Free on drive D: 11683.67 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Converting Audio to MP2. Filename: D:\M-Recess1\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "D:\M-Recess1\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "D:\M-RECE~1\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "D:\M-RECE~1\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -g max ) -ota( -d -67 ) -ssrc( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s )
Audio conversion of D:\M-Recess1\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 7/10/2002 1:37:58 PM
- Free on drive D: 11625.19 mb
- Converting Pictures
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Converting: D:\TitlePics\Recess.BMP
Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Finished converting pictures
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- 7/10/2002 1:38:07 PM
- Free on drive D: 11623.40 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
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Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 832542788
AudioSectors: 61788188
VideoPAPO: 11939400
ScanOffsetBytes: 72881
SeqAligningBytes: 4631980
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 4
SubtitleSectors: 3302404
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 600.00
PureMPEGStream: 750807931.47
Seconds: 2540.12
CalcMPEGStream: 750807931.47
Frames: 60734
CDSize: 800.00
Cut point 791.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 60734
Anti Noise Filter: Off
Passes: 4
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2530
Avg. Bitrate: 2364
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 (borders added, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\SIMPLE~1\SIMPLE~1.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\M-RECE~1\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
SimpleResize(480,360)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)
ResampleAudio(44100)
----AVS End----

Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 1.070
Video Encoding finished.

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- 7/10/2002 4:56:17 PM
- Free on drive D: 10985.59 mb
- Video Pulldown
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Executing Pulldown. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\pulldown\pulldown.exe" "D:\M-Recess1\Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC.mpv" "D:\M-Recess1\Pulldown_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv"
Video pulldown finished.

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- 7/10/2002 4:59:17 PM
- Free on drive D: 10362.27 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "D:\M-Recess1\TitlePicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 7/10/2002 4:59:20 PM
- Free on drive D: 10363.24 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "D:\M-Recess1\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 7/10/2002 4:59:23 PM
- Free on drive D: 10363.20 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 0
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 0 seconds
Cut point: 791 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "D:\M-Recess1\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 7/10/2002 5:05:17 PM
- Free on drive D: 9666.60 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: D:\M-Recess1\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2533.042 seconds D:\M-Recess1\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing finished.

Saving Subtitle Timecodes.
SVCD subtitles.
Length of D:\M-Recess1\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2533
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- 7/10/2002 5:06:33 PM
- Free on drive D: 9666.10 mb
- Multiplexing SVCD Subtitles
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Muxing English subtitles, CD 1
Executing SubMux. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\WinSubMux\WinSubMux.exe" -s0 "D:\M-Recess1\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg" "D:\M-Recess1\Subs\en1-1.sub" "D:\M-Recess1\bbMPEG_Muxed_File-subbed00.mpg"
Muxing subtitles finished
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- 7/10/2002 5:09:48 PM
- Free on drive D: 8964.71 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 13

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="D:\M-Recess1\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="D:\M-Recess1\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "D:\M-Recess1\VCDXBuild_Script_1.xml"
CD-Image creation finished.

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- 7/10/2002 5:14:01 PM
- Free on drive D: 8253.40 mb
- SVCD Creation finished!
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JFerguson
11th July 2002, 01:09
Here's the dvd2svcd.ini file:

[Settings]
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YPos=45
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UsevStrip=0
UseInternalRip=1
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DVD2AVI Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe
DVD2AVI Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
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DVD2AVI Pause=0
WavConv=5
BitRate=7
tooLame Mode=0
Audio Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
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SubMux Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\WinSubMux\WinSubMux.exe
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InverseTelecine DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\InverseTelecine\Donald Graft\decomb.dll
SimpleResize DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\SimpleResize\SimpleResize.dll
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CCE Image Quality=17
CCE Anti noise value=2
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CBR=0
One Pass VBR=0
Multi Pass VBR=1
Dont Delete Files=1
Create VAF=1
QFactor=5
Linear quantizer scale=1
Zigzag scanning order=1
Pulldown Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\pulldown\pulldown.exe
Pulldown Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
Use2Streams=0
Pri1Audio1=28
Pri1Audio2=28
Pri2Audio1=-1
Pri2Audio2=-1
Sub1=28
Sub2=-1
Sub3=-1
Sub4=-1
Sub5=-1
Sub6=-1
Sub7=-1
Sub8=-1
Azid Gain Offset=6
Rip subtitles=1
Subpictures Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\subs
Min. Delay. Between Subtitles=100
SVCD subtitles=1
BeSweet Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe
Permanent subtitles=0
PAL Y-Pos=-1
NTSC Y-Pos=-1
MinsHigh1=50
MinsHigh2=76
MinsHigh3=100
MinsHigh4=125
MinsHigh5=163
NumCd1=1
NumCd2=1
NumCd3=2
NumCd4=2
NumCd5=3
NumCd6=3
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CDSize 2=800
CDSize 3=740
CDSize 4=800
CDSize 5=740
CDSize 6=800
MaxBitrate=2530
MinBitrate=300
MaxAvg=2500
MinAvg=2375
Adjust Audio Bitrate=1
Use Min. Avg.=1
Force Film=0
bbMPEG Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe
bbMPEG Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
Movie Offset=0
CDOverlap=2
I-Author Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
Data Preparer=dvd2svcd
VCDImager Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDImager.exe
VCDXBuild Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe
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Use VCDImager=0
No images=0
Use VCDXBuild=1
Title Picture=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultTitlepicture.bmp
Change CD Picture=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Length of Chapters=60
Use TitlePicture=1
Use ChangeCD Picture=1
Avisynth Bicubic b Value=0
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SmartDeinterlace Mode=2
SmartDeinterlace Treshold=10
SmartDeinterlace Denoise=1
SmartDeinterlace Blend=0
SmartDeinterlace Fast=1
Edit Avisynth Script file=0
UseAVI2SVCD=0
UsePVA2SVCD=0
UseDVD2SVCD=1
PVA Executable=
PVA Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
UseCDOverlap=1
Wave Length Adjust Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\WLA\WLA.exe
FirstRun=0
MADPlay Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MADPlay\madplay.exe
Use CDMage=0
CDMage Executable=
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RunPerCDImage Executable=
RunFinal=0
RunFinal Executable=
RunPerCDImage Params=
RunFinal Params=
bbMPEG videoDelay Adjustment=180
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bbMPEG audio1Delay Adjustment=180
Use MPEGAV=0
FixedChapters=0
DVDChapters=1
ForceIAuthorSupport=1
TMPGEnc Rate Control Mode=2
Subtitle DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth Subtitler.dll
BMP Loader DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth BMP Loader.dll
VFAPI Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VFAPI\Reader\VFAPIConv-EN.exe
ResizeMethod=2
UseMPEG1=0
UseMPEG2=1
Convert to Canopus codec=0
Convert to Divx4=0
Use Frameselection=0
New Default Folder=0
DVD2SVCD Level=0
Eject DVD=0
Luminance Gain=0
Luminance Offset=0
Audio1Downsampling=1
Audio2Downsampling=1
Audio1BitRate=9
Audio2BitRate=5
Folder Structure Source=
Folder Structure Video=
Folder Structure Audio=
Folder Structure Muxed=
Folder Structure Subs=Subs
Intra=8,16,19,22,26,27,29,34,16,16,22,24,27,29,34,37,19,22,26,27,29,34,34,38,22,22,26,27,29,34,37,40,22,26,27,29,32,35,40,48,26,27,29,32,35,40,48,58,26,27,29,34,38,46,56,69,27,29,35,38,46,56,69,83
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Matrice Preset=
Use deafult Matrice=1
LFEDownmixLR6Ch=-3
LFEDownmixLFE6Ch=0
CenterDownmix6Ch=0
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DynamicCompression6Ch=1
StereoDownmixType6Ch=0
RearChannelFiltering6Ch=0
DialogNorm6Ch=0
LFEDownmixLR2Ch=-3
LFEDownmixLFE2Ch=0
CenterDownmix2Ch=-1
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DynamicCompression2Ch=1
StereoDownmixType2Ch=0
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DialogNorm2Ch=0
No Audio Conversion=0
TemporalSmoother Strength=2
TemporalSmoother Radius=1
Use TemporalSmoother=0
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Sharpen Value=0
Flip Vertival=0
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Resize To=0
Use CCE=1
Use TMPGEnc=0
CCE Safe Mode=0
Progressive=1
Auto Intra DC=0
DVD Compliant=0
Restrict auto I frame insertion=0
Close all GOPs=0
Intra DC=2
M GOP=3
MN GOP=5
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Frames pr spread=50
Spread=40
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DC component precision=2
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Use floating point DCT=1
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TMPGEnc Detect Scene Change=1
Enabled Padding=0
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SubBlendPalette1=15
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bbMPEG MPEG1=0
bbMPEG VCD=0
bbMPEG MPEG2=0
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bbMPEG DVD=0
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bbMPEG Pad VCD=0
bbMPEG Write PEC=1
bbMPEG Add Scan Offsets=1
bbMPEG Align Sequence Headers=1
bbMPEG Use Private Stream 2=0
bbMPEG Computed Bitrate=1
bbMPEG TimeStamps=0
bbMPEG Pulldown=2
bbMPEG MuxRate=0
bbMPEG Pack Size=2324
bbMPEG Packets Pack=1
bbMPEG Video Buffer=230
bbMPEG Audio 1 Buffer=4
bbMPEG Audio 2 Buffer=4
PBCType=0
Use ChangeCD Picture on All=1
Use EntrySVD=0
Save XML=1
Save Movie Info=1
ProcessPriority=1
Automatic Shutdown=0
Anamorphic Aspect=1
MPEG51 Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MPEG5.1\pub_enc.exe
Resize AVS Position=1
TemporalSmoother AVS Position=2
Sharpen AVS Position=3
CCE Field Order=2
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PVA Executable=
vStrip Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\vStrip\vStrip.exe
DVD2AVI Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe
BeSweet Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe
MadPlay Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MADPlay\madplay.exe
BeSplit Executable=
CCE Executable=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder SP\cctsp.exe
VFAPI Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VFAPI\Reader\VFAPIConv-EN.exe
TMPGEnc Executable=
Pulldown Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\pulldown\pulldown.exe
SubMux Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\WinSubMux\WinSubMux.exe
bbMPEG Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe
I-Author Executable=
VCDImager Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDImager.exe
VCDXBuild Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe
CDMage Executable=
RunPerCDImage Executable=
RunFinal Executable=
MPG2Dec DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\mpeg2dec.dll
InverseTelecine DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\InverseTelecine\Donald Graft\decomb.dll
Subtitle DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth Subtitler.dll
BMP Loader DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth BMP Loader.dll
SimpleResize DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\SimpleResize\SimpleResize.dll
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Change CD Picture=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
MPEG51 Executable=
[Folders]
PVA Folder=D:\M-Recess1\
DVD2AVI Folder=D:\M-Recess1\
vStrip Folder=D:\M-Recess1\
Audio Folder=D:\M-Recess1\
CCE Folder=D:\M-Recess1\
TMPGEnc Folder=D:\M-Recess1\
Pulldown Folder=D:\M-Recess1\
bbMPEG Folder=D:\M-Recess1\
I-Author Folder=D:\M-Recess1\
Subpictures Folder=D:\M-Recess1\Subs
Jason28
11th July 2002, 02:20
In the bitrate tabe change the min to 1-40. then change the cd size to whatever size you want it to be. You should be all set. :)
JFerguson
11th July 2002, 14:56
Ok, on the Bitrate tab, I have:

Between 0 and 40 mins use 1 CD size 800 (? - 2525)
Between 40 and 76 mins use 1 CD size 800 (2525 - 1230)
...
Max 2530 Min 300 <unchecked> Min avg 1600 Max avg 2230


Once again, I got another image that was approximately 620MB in size... :(
pepsimaxx
11th July 2002, 16:13
When u use VBR to encode a movie u can only be sure that the size won't exceed the size specified in the bitrate tab. A big part of a VBR encode is to make max. use of the bits available and only use the minimum amount of space. If u really want a specific image size ur better of doing a CBR encode.

If u want a 800MB image of a movie lasting 42.11 u should check "min avg. bitrate" in the bitrate tab.

Enter 2352 in both "min. avg." and max. avg." if u have selected a audio streem of 128Kbit.
Enter 2320 in both "min. avg." and max. avg." if u have selected a audio streem of 160Kbit.
Enter 2288 in both "min. avg." and max. avg." if u have selected a audio streem of 192Kbit.
Enter 2256 in both "min. avg." and max. avg." if u have selected a audio streem of 224Kbit.

Here's the calulation (not 100% accurate but good enough):

800MB cd = 800x1.000 = 800000 kb
43 minute movie = 43x60 = 2580 seconds

Do a little diversion: 800.000/2580 = 310.07 kb/sec
Do a little conversion 310.07x8 = 2480

Now the 2480 is the max. combined video&audio bitrate u can use if u wanna fill a cd of 800MB. Just subtract the audio kbit rate and u have the CBR u need to fill the CD completely.

Hope it makes sense but feel free to ask.
Labersack
11th July 2002, 19:50
@pepsimax
An encode at CBR 2500 has the same filesize size as an 3PassVBR encode of the same movie with an average of 2500, not bigger and not smaller. (at least no big difference, maybe some KB, but far less than 1MB)
You are right to use CBR with this high bitrate, it safes a lot of time and you won't notice any difference in quality.

But why do both of you use a bitrate calculator? DVD2SVCD will do this for you. With a movie of 42.11 I would do an CBR-encode with min 300 and max 2600, no matter what audio-rate, and DVD2SVCD will calculate the correct bitrate for the video better than you can do with any calculator-prg.
VILLA21
11th July 2002, 21:42
"With a movie of 42.11 I would do an CBR-encode with min 300 and max 2600, no matter what audio-rate, and DVD2SVCD will calculate the correct bitrate for the video better than you can do with any calculator-prg."
Labersack, What shall we put in "Max Avg" and "Min Avg" fields?
JFerguson
11th July 2002, 23:22
Originally posted by Labersack
@pepsimax
An encode at CBR 2500 has the same filesize size as an 3PassVBR encode of the same movie with an average of 2500, not bigger and not smaller. (at least no big difference, maybe some KB, but far less than 1MB)
You are right to use CBR with this high bitrate, it safes a lot of time and you won't notice any difference in quality.

But why do both of you use a bitrate calculator? DVD2SVCD will do this for you. With a movie of 42.11 I would do an CBR-encode with min 300 and max 2600, no matter what audio-rate, and DVD2SVCD will calculate the correct bitrate for the video better than you can do with any calculator-prg.

I was using the bitrate calculator because I thought that the limits (2530 / 300) were somehow affecting my image size. I know that DVD2SVCD takes care of this, but for some reason I cannot get it past generating this 620MB image. This has happened with another rip (Goofy Movie) that I never finished, and I wonder if their animated property has anything to do with these problems.

I have done 40+ minute movie conversions otherwise that have come out just fine, filling an 80-minute CDR within 30 seconds.

I will try a CBR encode, but I hope we can figure out what is going on here.
JFerguson
12th July 2002, 01:51
Ok, I did a CBR at 2600 / 300, nothing else checked, and got a 665MB image.

This is closer to 700MB, but this isn't the expected result is it?
da franksta
12th July 2002, 11:30
max average is set at 2230? change this to 2450 if you want to fill a cdr with 42 minutes. keep min at 300, max at 2600.
with this high a bitrate cbr is good, no need to use 4-pass vbr.
Labersack
12th July 2002, 12:48
da franksta is right, set maxavg also higher. I set both max to 2600 (sorry for not say this clearly), min to 300 and uncheck minavg. So DVD2SVCD can calculate the correct bitrate.
JFerguson
12th July 2002, 18:13
Ok, I used the default settings, then made these overrides:

On the first line (Between 0 and 50...):
. overrode CD Size to 800

On the last line:
. set Max. to 2600 (Min. left alone at 300)
. set Max. to 2450 (Min. avg left alone and unchecked)

And, I got a 699.84MB image! Thanx!


So, I'm guessing that I had to tweak these settings since DVD2SVCD was otherwise bounded by some of the characteristics of this rip.

Can you guys offer some simple guidelines on when I need to do this and how to calculate out the override values?
Labersack
12th July 2002, 18:40
You should set max to 'limit of your Player-audiorate'. If you want to stay in the specs, set max to '2756-audiorate'. I always set maxavg to the same value, but you want to be on the safe side (Some have CCE-problems with this settings) set maxavg to '2756-audio-120'. Set min to 300, uncheck minavg.
You can leave this settings for all your conversions.
Bigbucks1959
15th July 2002, 15:04
Am I right in seeing half the time in a CBR VS a 4pass VBR?

Thx,
Phil K.


Originally posted by Labersack
@pepsimax
An encode at CBR 2500 has the same filesize size as an 3PassVBR encode of the same movie with an average of 2500, not bigger and not smaller. (at least no big difference, maybe some KB, but far less than 1MB)
You are right to use CBR with this high bitrate, it safes a lot of time and you won't notice any difference in quality.

But why do both of you use a bitrate calculator? DVD2SVCD will do this for you. With a movie of 42.11 I would do an CBR-encode with min 300 and max 2600, no matter what audio-rate, and DVD2SVCD will calculate the correct bitrate for the video better than you can do with any calculator-prg.