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Kaiousama
30th June 2002, 13:09
I'm trying to encode an old serie that comes from a vhs master and it has a very badddddd quality.
For cleaning up the video and try to encode something good i've done:
- i've ivtc the video with decomb functions of avisinth
- i've filtered the video first with the 2d cleaner (strong options^_^) and after with the warp sharp(the best results around 15-20)
- i've putted a little of salt,pepper,my secret ingredient and wait until all it smells good:D .... but it doesn't smells good as i wanted:(

So the problem is:
the filter i've applied makes a very good job in cleaning the random but uniform noises that affects the video because the acquisition, transimission and generally because of a poor master quality.
The real problem are the black and white random and NON uniform spots (or ellipsoids) that characterised the very old production, to make me understand better think about the black spots that you see on the cinema's screen seeing a film that is in viewing from two weeks ago.
This kind of noises are not eliminated by the filter because (in my opinion) are too big and are assimilated to a particular of the video and not a noise: the result is that these noises are accentuated by the filtering process,and you have a worse watching output, even if the general quality of the image is better.

Have you experencied this problem? do you know a good method/filter that solves it?

10X

[NEX]
5th July 2002, 02:06
do not do the IVTC try some De-noise filters

avih
5th July 2002, 09:04
actually, your problem sounds as if it needs an interesting filter.. ;) obviosly you're not the only one experiencing it... could be a nice filter project...

Dreassica
5th July 2002, 11:25
try this filter, it;s flaxen's VHS filter

http://sauron.mordor.net/dgraft/flaxen/fxvhs.zip

and his cartoon tool filter

http://sauron.mordor.net/dgraft/flaxen/fxtoon.zip

Kaiousama
5th July 2002, 13:43
TNX, i'll try the vhs filter;
the CartoonTool is unuseful for thi issue because the visible effect is only that makes the edge more evident, and nothing else more.

I'm thinking that is a difficoult problem to solve becase those artifact are similar to little star in a distant sky and a filter that removes that noises also removes the stars from my sky.

Crucio
27th July 2002, 21:18
be a good anime ripper and go through frame by frame with aviutil and edit out the large film noise ;)

Kaiousama
28th July 2002, 15:33
be a good anime ripper and go through frame by frame with aviutil and edit out the large film noise

mhhhh. good idea, let me know, i open my output noised avi in aviutil and then? can i export each frame and adjust it with programs like paintshop pro?

Crucio
30th July 2002, 16:57
YEah, but, i mean, dont do every frame if you dont have to, just copy the previous, less noisy frame over the next more noisy frame, or if their both noisy, edit one in psp and paste for both, then also fix scene changes where the frame is higher or lower when the scene changes with copy paste

good luck

midiguy
26th August 2002, 06:23
Originally posted by Crucio
YEah, but, i mean, dont do every frame if you dont have to, just copy the previous, less noisy frame over the next more noisy frame, or if their both noisy, edit one in psp and paste for both, then also fix scene changes where the frame is higher or lower when the scene changes with copy paste

good luck

errarrr damn DALNET heroofmm anime encoders.. screw aviutl! scrwe you all! I am sick of correcting damn dbz! (sorry)

Kaiousama
26th August 2002, 18:24
errarrr damn DALNET heroofmm anime encoders.. screw aviutl! scrwe you all! I am sick of correcting damn dbz! (sorry)

I don't know anything about dalnet, but what's the matter in editing the bad part of the video frame by frame?

Stay up:sly:

Crucio
28th August 2002, 22:17
midiguy, sorry i ignored u, but like u said, u were like a little pest that wouldnt go away...

so i went away instead :)

vlad59
30th August 2002, 12:50
You should give a test to Convolution3D for old noisy animes.

I coded this filter because I had problems with this kind of video.
http://www.hellninjacommando.com/con3d/

Crucio
30th August 2002, 17:50
cool, i will, but wouldnt a 2d filter be better for anime?