Just a bit over 700 MB... oh!

[facundosuarez]

Hello!

I have a quick question- Most of the stuff I download are 705 - 718 MB so they don't fit on a 700 MB cd...

OUCH.

What can I do? These things already have credits chopped off so there's nothing to cut!

What program can I use to open the files, reencode the last minutes on lower quality and copy the rest not reencoded? If virtualDub, how?

Thanks a lot.

[DJ Bobo]

Can't you overburn?

[facundosuarez]

Overburning?

Nero just goes "not enough room to blah blah blah"

I guess I can turn that off... but what are the chances that I will be able to see the vids after??? Besides I am using low quality cds.

[Kandor]

Fist of all try to burn the cd in disc at ones mode and see if nero complains about the size? because when you choose disc at ones there will be couple of mb extra for burning data on.
and if that dont help try to burn with overburn and see if it works.

and if it dont you have only lost one cheap cd so its not the whole world.

and if everything fails try to cut the movie in 2 parts and burn on 2 cds.
or dont burn

[DJ Bobo]

@ facundo
I tell you something: almost every CD-R that I burn (not necessarely known brand CD-Rs) is overburned and *ALL* work fine (and all were burned with max speed, in my case 12X)
You may get problems burning 718MB though, most CD-Rs will accept "only" 715MB, some of them will accept uo tp 720MB though (this is no rarity, every CD-R brand go up to a given limit)

You can find the limit of your CD-Rs using the overburning test of Nero (in Nero CD Speed)

[HomR]

Are you sure they are 705mb-718mb or 705,xxx,xxxkb-718,xxx,xxxkb?

If the latter they will fit just fine. Right click in windows and select properties to see the "true" mb size. ;)

[DagMan]

only to the completion, there (http://www.feurio.net/Rohling.php3) is a list about the capacity of CD-R`s :)

and look on the Nero (http://www.nero.com/en/index.html#root) site there is a list wich burner are able to overburn a CD-R.


DagMan

[facundosuarez]

Thanks people!

I've tried CD test and I don't understand well because it says "Disc Capacity 79:59.74, 703 MB" but I run the test and it goes without problems till 89:57.74 but it doesn't say how many megs that is.

In nero I tried using 89:57 but it says the max is 85. Ok, I used 85 and burned a 708 MB cd but 85 seems to be over 800MB! can that be right? Won't my recorder blow I I give that a try?

Thanks again

[DJ Bobo]

If it goes without problems over 89 minutes, you may be having an 800MB CD-R, since I don't know any 700MB CD-R that goes over 83 minutes.

Use this to calculate the capacity corresponding to the time display:

seconds x 150KB = capacity in KB (divide through 1024 if you want MB)

For example: 81min30sec
These are 4890 seconds.
So Capacity = 4890 x 150 = 733500 KB = 716,3 MB

[mustaneekeri]

Originally posted by facundosuarez
Thanks people!

I've tried CD test and I don't understand well because it says "Disc Capacity 79:59.74, 703 MB" but I run the test and it goes without problems till 89:57.74 but it doesn't say how many megs that is.

In nero I tried using 89:57 but it says the max is 85. Ok, I used 85 and burned a 708 MB cd but 85 seems to be over 800MB! can that be right? Won't my recorder blow I I give that a try?

Thanks again

Some CD-RW drives don't send error messages when trying to overburn in simulated mode (that's what the Nero CD Speed does), they just burn up to the max capacity of the DRIVE not the CD-R disk. I think u should just enable overburning from Nero and sacrifice one 80min cd-r to test it for real (be sure to use DAO-mode, otherwise the overburning won't work).

[Teegedeck]

Originally posted by facundosuarez
Thanks people!

I've tried CD test and I don't understand well because it says "Disc Capacity 79:59.74, 703 MB" but I run the test and it goes without problems till 89:57.74 but it doesn't say how many megs that is.

In nero I tried using 89:57 but it says the max is 85. Ok, I used 85 and burned a 708 MB cd but 85 seems to be over 800MB! can that be right? Won't my recorder blow I I give that a try?

Thanks again

This is the real capacity of the CD that's used for audio-CDs or MPEG-files in so-called 'mode2' which is without any error correction. That's why you could put 800 MB on it. Nero won't let you use this mode by mistake for other formats, though. [There's something in development that lets you burn 800MB of .avi, .ogm etc., too (mode2cdmaker, look it up in Doom9's news) but it is without error correction, so a scratched CD has quite fatal consequences depending on the file-format you use.]

Don't forget that you can set the maximum CD capacity manually in Nero, in the 'expert' settings. Be careful with it.

[facundosuarez]

thanks everyone.

So far I've tried recording 816 MB and everything went fine. As for cd and/or burners lists I can never find mine but I just have to keep trying to record bigger sizes until I get a coaster.
8P

I'm not recording in mode2 and I'm gonna keep it that way for the time being but thanks for that info.
bye!

[theReal]

with feurio! you can test your cdr's (and your writer) for overburning capacity.

[^b0rG^]

Am I the only one that HATES Nero with a purple passion?? But I digress...
I use Padus DiskJuggler for my movie burning, and always goto the advanced options, change to "Mode 1 CD-ROM" and check the box to close disk. I don't have to check the overburn option at all for files around 730mb (too lazy to pull out all my old disks and check), and have done 760 on a regular 80min cd with overburn.
The combination of these 2 options makes a much smaller filesystem on the cd and allows more usable data with no loss of EC functions that I'm aware of. Feel free to correct me on that if I'm wrong though. :) I am not nice to my cd's (well, my roommates aren't at least) and haven't had one go bad on me yet. Well, the one I ran over with my chair don't count. No EC scheme will play a disk that's broke in half. hehe

[DJ Bobo]

@ borg
Sorry, but 80min CD-Rs capable of storing more than 720MB are very very rare. 730MB *may be* possible on some very rare 80min CD-Rs, but 760MB is definitely out of the range! And Choosing Mode1 or Mode2 for data CDs don't have influence on the capacity or EC. And overburning is done for *every* CD which have to store more than 703MB. And overburning requires that the disc is closed so you can't do anything here.

[mustaneekeri]

I think there are many ppl just looking the file size in Explorer which shows the filesize in KB's and when they see 718 000 KB they think of 718MB when it infact is only ~701MB.
btw. im not saying that anybody here does that...

[theReal]

Overburning capacity depends on the media and the writer (but mostly on the media). So, choosing another writing program will not make cdrs more or less overburnable.

I have tested many CDR's for overburning capacity in Feurio! (it features an overburn test) and the most overburnable 80 min CDR I ever had was overburnable to 84 point something minutes for audio. That would make almost 30MB for Data, I guess. Most CDRs are only like 82-83 minutes, though. I'd also say 60MB is impossible!

[theReal]

btw. im not saying that anybody here does that...:D:D
But it seems very plausible when "most of the downloaded stuff is 718 MB" :D