Will there be an option to do DVD to DVD-R in later versions

[perkst]

I currently use DVD2SVCD to convert DVDs to DVD-R by allowing it to convert the audio to MP2 and re-encode the movie to 720 x 576PAL and manually stop the process when it finishes CCE. I then use DVDit to take the audio and movie and create the DVD-R.

In future version will we be able to select the output of DVD and have a bitrate matrix for this mode and a seperate one for SVCD. Also could an option be put in to stop after CCE and perhaps later versions could generate a DVD Folder view that could be burnt using Nero etc.

[dvd2svcd]

Wouldn't this do what you want:

1. In the misc. tab select DVD2SVCD Level = Advanced
2. In the CD Image tab select "Don't make images"
3. In the bbMPEG tab under Advanced Settings DoubleClick on MPEG2 (not dvd, as bbmpeg wont create dvd compliant streams)
4. In the CCE tab under Advanced Settings Select "Close all GOPs"
5. In the bitrate tab change the cd sizes to 1024. Set the max. bitrate to 6500 and min to 2000 and max. avg to 6000
6. In the frameserver tab select resize to "DVD 720*480/576" or "CVD 352*480/576"
7. In the audio tab select "Do Not Convert Audio"
8. In the DVD2AVI tab set Luminance Gain to 5

I am however a bit unsure on pt. 5

[NSanity]

i thought dvd was 9.5MB/sec max....

anywho...

[Faceman101]

Most DVDs do not go that high, they hit about 5 to 6 average.

[chainsaw135]

@Nsanity, Welcome aboard also you can download bitrate viewer and view the vob files of any dvd movie, you will find that faceman101 is pretty much correct, and that a movie is around 5,000, 6000 not 9,000.. but just like anything else sometimes it can peak up to 9,000.

[Mosaic]

I use DVD2SVCD b2 and I can see no way to stop the generation of the resize 480,480 script in the avisynth script commands.

I uses DVD2sVCD to make DVD-R with permanent subs .....so all I need is to kill the resize command.....any idea how to do this?

I wouldn't mind stopping the bbmpeg attempt to remux after the video encode as well.
Even though I use the "no change to audio" check box. It still wants to remux the audio & video.

[dvd2svcd]

Select Advanced Level in the Misc. Tab. Then you'll have a resize to option in the frameserver tab.

[Mosaic]

T.Y.V.M.!:D

[onerag9]

I'm curious what settings you use to convert DVD to DVD-R w/ DVD2SVCD. I've tried numberous times, and i keep getting errors regarding the GOP for my video files. Ulead DVD MovieFactory says "The Gop is not valid for a DVD" or something to that effect, and DVDit PE gives me a similar error. Since you seem to have experience regarding this, can you please tell me what i'm doing wrong?

[Jason28]

Did you try what DVD2SVCD wrote above? If you do you should be able to create DVDs like that with D2S no problem.

[baker]

Yes but how about dvd2svcd authoring the dvd image and only reencoing if it needs to otherwise it just copys the dvd... cool.

baker

[comfysofa]

Well - I need some help, it seems like this is the best place to ask - I cannot get rid of the audio sync problem - ive followed every tutorial going and i still get the same problem ive tried using ulead, dvdit and spruce up but none work - ive also tried loading in a muxed file but they all error/fall over and the only way to get to recognize the audio and video is to load them in separately - but then end up with the audio out of sync - by about a second or so........had this writer about a year and never managed to get a perfect rip.......end of my teather - anyone?????

[dvd2svcd]

Ehhhh, are you using DVD2SVCD ?

[Mosaic]

My exp. has shown that sync probs comes from:

1) Not using DVD2AVI 1.76 .....other versions cause sync anarchy!
2) Orig. Movie itself does not start audio until a few secs have passed.
3) You tried to do Force film when u need IVTC or pure interlace.


Solutions are:
1) Get dvd2avi 1.76
2) Use ac3delaycorrector to force your authoring tool to start the audio later.
3) Inspect the playback in DVD2avi ...if the stats claims FILM 99% after playing for a while then use force film.

If DVD2AVI reports NTSC and u see (by stillframeing) 2 Interlace then 3 motion blur repeated........U gotta use IVTC. IF u see NTSC and no signs of interlaceing ...still USE IVTC.IF u see nTSC and ALL frames are interlaced ...then disable force film and IVTC and encode at 29.97fps.
If u using CCE 2.5 to encode an interlaced TFF movie....it will flip the fields and claim TFF, regardless of the source. U will have to do a PULLDOWN -no 2:3 and make the fields EVEN ...see the pulldown text file on this. With a BFF movie...u will have to PULLDOWN -no 2:3 and make fields ODD.

I just did a movie that had a 13.5 sec delay in the audio......and that movie was released in MAY 2002. I think they're doing that to confuse us.

BTW watch out for movies that switch audio bitrates for the logo/credits....this causes authoring tools to report inconsistent bitrate and choke. U will have to chop off the logo/credits with VOBedit/Vobsplit etc.

[comfysofa]

right - here we go - i started using the settings as mentioned above and was using the muxed file that dvd turfed out (as per the settings) but the authoring software 3 different types - played the video but with no audio. I then started messing with the settings but still had no luck - then started to try to use the separate audio and video streams which produced the sync problem and thats where im at. with regards to the solution, im using build 3 of the dvd2svcd software which already has the dvdtoavi version that youre talking about, im not sure where the ac3 delay corrector is, ( sorry im not as clever as you, but hey, thats why im here...! )...the second paragraph, well im still studying that one......! Well im gonna go back and have a play - just out of curiosity what youve said needs to be done makes all the "how to" guides on vcdhelp and the like total horseshite.......cos ive been through em all.....

Thanks for your help all the same but i think im gonna need more....

[comfysofa]

just out of curiosity which is better - to chuck in one complete mpeg (audio and video) or separate streams??

[we7313]

I have been waiting for others to jump on this thread adding some intelligent input or point out the problems with DVD2SVCD's way of "trying" to create a dvd.

When you use DVD2SVCD's method the audio will not be usable by any DVD writer programs. Then when you have DVD2SVCD encode the audio the sound stuters & is way out of sync.

I've loved DVD2SVCD for the last 300 SVCDs, but now its time to start making dvds.

Can anyone help us out?

[Mosaic]

U have not been reading the threads enuf.

What u ask has been hashed out several times in the last 3 weeks.

U don't used dvd2svcd audio btw ...u use the ac3 audio that dvd2avi strips out for u.

[Mosaic]

U don't need anymore help ....do what i told u and u have no prob.

Don't ask for more help till u tried what I said.

Always use separate streams.....no muxing.

the guides u mentioned are just GUIDES.....details are up to u.

U can read how to drive a car...but U can't drive a car 'til u tried for a bit. The guide
won't tell u HOW MUCH to turn a wheel or how HARD to press brakes or how FAST to shift a gear.

After 80 dvd-r discs I still learn new things all the time.

[we7313]

What DVD writing/authoring program are you using that will accept this sound. I have tried:

Ulead DVD Workshop
Ulead DVD MovieFactory
Impression 2.1
DVDit! PE
SpruceUp DVD Authoring
Prassi Primo DVD


Share the golden answer, or please point to the thread that I have faile to find.

-By the way, Ive been reading this message board daily for the last year.

[comfysofa]

Mosaic

I do need more help - thats why im here i dont understand the IVTC thing???? the problem is - is that youve done so many y'know it like the back of your hand so what seems second nature to you is like russian to me.......i have changed god knows how many options in dvd2svcd and always end up with the same problem no matter what authoring software i use or whatever video compression software i use, be it tmpenc or cce it doesnt matter - do you use a freshly built os - i am running alot of dvd type software (trying to find out why this does what it does)??

thanks again

Comfy

[Bigbucks1959]

TES,
Please share the wealth as to what dvd authoring program will accept these files that DV2SVCD puts outs out for a DVDr.

Thx,
Phil K.

[dvd2svcd]

SpruceUP worked for me.

[comfysofa]

more questions........whats the difference between a "pulldown encoded video" and a encoded video - they are identical size.....just wondered....i have also got a little bit further.....i can either a. get the sync right but the playback is glitchy - like the audio is trying to stay with the video but cant quite - very strange......i did get a synced version working in spruce up but the problem was when i went to write the disc it errored and fell over.....well that were i am so far....

Any more help would be appreciated...

thanks

Andy

[we7313]

Ok here is what i have done & it worked.

Found a copy of DVDMaestro (Only program that would accept the AC3 audio as is from DVD2SVCD)
used DVD2SVCDs settings (changed the bitrate to fit DVD - used this calculator )
I also use CBR not VBR
www.vcdhelp.com/calc.htm (http://www.vcdhelp.com/calc.htm)

Take the Pulldown.mpv file &
the only ac3 file & put them in DVDMaestro.

I couldn't burn with Maestro 2.9 & pioneer a04 so i took the
project directory with all the vobs & ifos and burned them
with nero 5.9 (video mode)

Result Perfect!

Thank you DVD2SVCD,

I hope this helps some people, unlike some of the posts left above.

PS. SPRUCE did accept my audio (must name .ac3 file same as .mpv file)
But it crashed on dvd-write. It may also have worked to grab the video dir created with spruce!

[Bigbucks1959]

Hey,
How about sharing DVDMaestro with the rest of us DVDR makers.


Thx,
Phil K
PS I have lots of SVCDs to trade on my server....email me offlist.
I am talkling current movies SVCDs..MIB 2, Spiderman, etc...



Originally posted by we7313
Ok here is what i have done & it worked.

Found a copy of DVDMaestro (Only program that would accept the AC3 audio as is from DVD2SVCD)
used DVD2SVCDs settings (changed the bitrate to fit DVD - used this calculator )
I also use CBR not VBR
www.vcdhelp.com/calc.htm (http://www.vcdhelp.com/calc.htm)

Take the Pulldown.mpv file &
the only ac3 file & put them in DVDMaestro.

I couldn't burn with Maestro 2.9 & pioneer a04 so i took the
project directory with all the vobs & ifos and burned them
with nero 5.9 (video mode)

Result Perfect!

Thank you DVD2SVCD,

I hope this helps some people, unlike some of the posts left above.

PS. SPRUCE did accept my audio (must name .ac3 file same as .mpv file)
But it crashed on dvd-write. It may also have worked to grab the video dir created with spruce!

[comfysofa]

Right - i think i have a bit of a result......so far........ive burnt a single chapter to a dvd-rw and it looked like it worked.......so while im typing this its rendering a whole film.....

1. stripped out using smartripper using the demux way.....
2. Ended up with the audio and video
3. used re-empeg and guessed the bitrate....ok for a test.....
4. loaded up spruce up (only problem was, was that it couldnt read the aspi layer whereas all my other software, smartripper for one...could.) tried about 3 or 4 different aspi's but none worked.
5. chucked in the remuxed (squashed) video and the unmodified audio which it took...first time ever!!
6. Cos it couldnt see the aspi layer it couldnt connect to the writer.
7. Then...from what i can remember i saved it out as tile or something like that.....there were 2 options one was image that didnt work so i took the other which spat out the video and audio_ts
8. Loaded up primo selected the data disc option loaded the 2 files in and hey presto.

Now thats for only one chapter as i have been experimenting for god knows how long.....

Hope this helps the rest of you newbies like me

Comfy

[comfysofa]

Im still in the middel of rendering - now i did guess the bitrate....but it seems to be a lot smaller than i thought, i just moved the slider to where i thought it should be in relation to the size of the file that i was re-rendering......so, does anyone know how to get the slider to the right place as it seems that it has no relation to the figure that the bitrate counter gave me.....i know it does but i cant see it....can anyone explain

Thanks

Comfy

[dvd2svcd]

Maybe this link can be of some help too:

http://www.vcdhelp.com/svcddvdr.htm

[fletch]

comfysofa,

Are you just creating a "movie only" DVD-R ? If so, use DVD2SVCD and CCE - You don't need to use a bitrate calculator - Just put the desired output size in the CD tab - (I use 4600 megs) when I an making a movie only DVD-R. The resulting mpv & AC3 file will equal 4600 megs. import these into Maestro and set the movie to first play , compile and burn using Nero 5.5.8.0 and your all set.

Cheers

Fletch

[Mosaic]

I been using a bitrate calc of 585000/mins - audiokbps.

All I have to do is set the tgt size u say?

Must try it.

[fletch]

I use these settings for most movies - Max to 8500 , Min 300 Max Average to 4500 - and then set the output size in the bitrate tab. DVD2SVCD does the rest... Using variations on this, its quite simple to keep menus, and extras as well.

cheers

fletch

[comfysofa]

Fletch - ive tried using the dvd2svcd software to do the job but it doesnt work - not matter what i try - always get the "sound out of sync result" - i would love to use dvd2svcd to do the conversion....but i cant get it to work - it does the job and turfs out the file, but the sync is always out......if poss could you email me your dvd2svcd template, then i could try that.....

if you do - cheers, very much appreciated

Comfy

[comfysofa]

would help i put my mail add in - comfysofa@hotmail.com

again

thanks

[we7313]

Do you mean to set all of the cd sizes to 4600 or just the fist one? (might not matter)
I never though of that considering the authoring program should break the large file into the correct size VOBS. What do you use for bitrate settings?

I also learned something else:
Do not use Nero 5.5.9.0 only use Nero 5.5.8.0.
I was using 5.9 and sometimes it worked and sometimes I had problems. I then did more reading switched to 5.8 and am fine every time.

If you are having sync problems its not DVD2SVCD, its the way you author the disc. I would recommend DVDMaestro or Spruce.

make sure you use DVD2SVCD's pulldown.mpv and outputed .ac3 file. They are in sync.

[comfysofa]

Well i am using spruce up at the moment but every time i put the audio and the video together in spruce up in the simulation part thats where i get the problem - again if anyones got a templete they can mail to me id appreciate it.......then ill try that cos its confirmed that those settings work.....

much appreciate it

Regards

Comfy

[Mosaic]

What kind of PC hardware do u have?

its possible things may be in sync......but are slipping because your system cannot accommodate the a/v datarate.

Interestingly ....the other guy who also had probs and discovered Maestro appears uninterested in sharing info as to "how" he "found" it. Seems he only appreciates one way sharing. Too bad.

[comfysofa]

Hardware is definately not the issue - used to be a hardware engineer for 2 years.....ive tried it on a p4 1.7 and p4 1.9 and a dual p3 1gig - always with the same results......as i said before if someone has used dvd2svcd and got a working result then mail me the template and ill try it - thatll narrow it down.......

thanks

Comfy

[Mosaic]

gimme the filename u want.


BTW I use build 2 ....and both CCE 2.5 and Tmpge 2.55.

I just tell DVD2SVCD to leave the audio alone.

After it encodes.....I get an m2v file and a Extractedaudio.ac3 file.

I use those to reauthor.

I generally force the dvd2avi section to force film or IVTC as I prefer my analysis to the automatic one.

I don't use CD size to determine bitrate ..the min avg bitrate check does that for me

[comfysofa]

if you can let me have the saved settings file.....know the one when you save setting and it asks for the name, the template.....can you mail it???

thanks

Comfy

[we7313]

I got it from Kazaa. I went in every day and typed in dvdmaestro. till someone was sharing it.

if you want my dvd2svcd settings, copy and paste into notepad whats below. Save the file as settings.ini

[Executables]
PVA Executable=
vStrip Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\vStrip\vStrip.exe
DVD2AVI Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe
BeSweet Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe
MadPlay Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MADPlay\madplay.exe
MPEG51 Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MPEG5.1\pub_enc.exe
CCE Executable=C:\PROGRA~1\CUSTOM~1\CINEMA~2\cctsp.exe
VFAPI Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VFAPI\Reader\VFAPIConv-EN.exe
TMPGEnc Executable=
Pulldown Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\pulldown\pulldown.exe
SubMux Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\WinSubMux\WinSubMux.exe
bbMPEG Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe
I-Author Executable=
VCDImager Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDImager.exe
VCDXBuild Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe
CDMage Executable=
RunPerCDImage Executable=
RunFinal Executable=
MPG2Dec DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\mpeg2dec.dll
InverseTelecine DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\InverseTelecine\Donald Graft\decomb.dll
Subtitle DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth Subtitler.dll
BMP Loader DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth BMP Loader.dll
SimpleResize DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\SimpleResize\SimpleResize.dll
Title Picture=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultTitlepicture.bmp
Change CD Picture=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
[Folders]
PVA Folder=D:\DVD\batch\carlitosway\
DVD2AVI Folder=D:\DVD\batch\carlitosway\
vStrip Folder=D:\DVD\batch\carlitosway\
Audio Folder=D:\DVD\batch\carlitosway\
CCE Folder=D:\DVD\batch\carlitosway\
TMPGEnc Folder=D:\DVD\batch\carlitosway\
Pulldown Folder=D:\DVD\batch\carlitosway\
bbMPEG Folder=D:\DVD\batch\carlitosway\
I-Author Folder=D:\DVD\batch\carlitosway\
Subpictures Folder=D:\DVD\batch\carlitosway\Subs
[Settings]
XPos=258
YPos=184
FirstRun=0
Resize AVS Position=1
TemporalSmoother AVS Position=2
Sharpen AVS Position=3
UsePVA2SVCD=0
UseDVD2SVCD=1
UseAVI2SVCD=0
UseMPEG1=0
UseMPEG2=1
Convert to Canopus codec=0
Convert to Divx4=0
Use Frameselection=0
New Default Folder=0
DVD2SVCD Level=1
UseDVDRip=1
UsevStrip=0
UseInternalRip=1
Eject DVD=0
iDCT=0
DVD2AVI Pause=0
Luminance Gain=5
Luminance Offset=0
Audio1Downsampling=0
Audio2Downsampling=1
Audio1BitRate=11
Audio2BitRate=7
tooLame Mode=0
Autodetect Azid Gain=1
Folder Structure Source=
Folder Structure Video=
Folder Structure Audio=
Folder Structure Muxed=
Folder Structure Subs=Subs
Intra=8,16,19,22,26,27,29,34,16,16,22,24,27,29,34,37,19,22,26,27,29,34,34,38,22,22,26,27,29,34,37,40,22,26,27,29,32,35,40,48,26,27,29,32,35,40,48,58,26,27,29,34,38,46,56,69,27,29,35,38,46,56,69,83
NonIntra=16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,20,21,22,23,25,26,27,28,21,22,23,24,26,27,28,30,22,23,24,26,27,28,30,31,23,24,25,27,28,30,31,33
Matrice Preset=
Use deafult Matrice=1
LFEDownmixLR6Ch=-3
LFEDownmixLFE6Ch=0
CenterDownmix6Ch=0
SurroundDownmix6Ch=0
DynamicCompression6Ch=1
StereoDownmixType6Ch=0
RearChannelFiltering6Ch=0
DialogNorm6Ch=0
LFEDownmixLR2Ch=-3
LFEDownmixLFE2Ch=0
CenterDownmix2Ch=-1
SurroundDownmix2Ch=-1
DynamicCompression2Ch=1
StereoDownmixType2Ch=0
RearChannelFiltering2Ch=0
DialogNorm2Ch=0
No Audio Conversion=1
TemporalSmoother Strength=2
TemporalSmoother Radius=1
Use TemporalSmoother=0
Use Sharpen=0
Sharpen Value=0
ResizeMethod=2
Avisynth Bicubic b Value=0
Avisynth Bicubic c Value=0.75
Flip Vertival=0
Add ResampleAudio=0
Resize To=1
Use CCE=1
Use TMPGEnc=0
CCE Safe Mode=0
NoOfpasses=5
CCE Image Quality=17
CCE Anti noise value=2
CCE Anti noise=0
CBR=1
One Pass VBR=0
Multi Pass VBR=0
CCE Field Order=2
Progressive=1
Auto Intra DC=0
DVD Compliant=0
Restrict auto I frame insertion=0
Close all GOPs=1
Intra DC=2
M GOP=3
MN GOP=5
SEQ Header=1
Constrained Parameter Set=1
TMPGEnc Rate Control Mode=2
TMPGEnc Motion search precision=4
TMPGEnc Field Order=2
Frames pr spread=50
Spread=40
OffsetFixed CQ Value=80
Use fixed CQ Value=0
DC component precision=2
Output YUV data as Basic YCbCr not CCIR601=0
Use floating point DCT=1
No motion search for still picture part by half pixel=1
Soften block noise=0
Soften Intra=35
Soften NonIntra=35
TMPGEnc GOP I Pictures=1
TMPGEnc GOP P Pictures=4
TMPGEnc GOP B Pictures=3
TMPGEnc SEQ Headers=1
TMPGEnc Max frames in GOP=0
TMPGEnc Close GOPs=0
TMPGEnc Detect Scene Change=1
Enabled Padding=0
Dont Delete Files=1
Create VAF=1
QFactor=5
Linear quantizer scale=1
Zigzag scanning order=1
Use2Streams=0
Pri1Audio1=28
Pri1Audio2=-1
Pri2Audio1=-1
Pri2Audio2=-1
Sub1=-1
Sub2=-1
Sub3=-1
Sub4=-1
Sub5=-1
Sub6=-1
Sub7=-1
Sub8=-1
Azid Gain Offset=6
SubOutputPalette0=clBlack
SubBlendPalette0=0
SubOutputPalette1=clWhite
SubBlendPalette1=15
SubOutputPalette2=$001E1E1E
SubBlendPalette2=15
SubOutputPalette3=clGray
SubBlendPalette3=15
Rip subtitles=0
Min. Delay. Between Subtitles=100
Resize Subtitles=100
SVCD subtitles=1
CVD subtitles=0
Permanent subtitles=0
PAL Y-Pos=-1
NTSC Y-Pos=-1
bbMPEG MPEG1=0
bbMPEG VCD=0
bbMPEG MPEG2=1
bbMPEG SVCD=0
bbMPEG DVD=0
bbMPEG VBR=0
bbMPEG Pad VCD=0
bbMPEG Write PEC=1
bbMPEG Add Scan Offsets=0
bbMPEG Align Sequence Headers=0
bbMPEG Use Private Stream 2=0
bbMPEG Computed Bitrate=1
bbMPEG TimeStamps=0
bbMPEG Pulldown=2
bbMPEG MuxRate=0
bbMPEG Pack Size=2048
bbMPEG Packets Pack=1
bbMPEG Video Buffer=224
bbMPEG Audio 1 Buffer=4
bbMPEG Audio 2 Buffer=4
bbMPEG videoDelay Adjustment=180
bbMPEG audioDelay Adjustment=180
bbMPEG audio1Delay Adjustment=180
Use MPEGAV=0
MinsHigh1=50
MinsHigh2=76
MinsHigh3=100
MinsHigh4=125
MinsHigh5=163
NumCd1=1
NumCd2=1
NumCd3=2
NumCd4=2
NumCd5=3
NumCd6=3
CDSize 1=1024
CDSize 2=1024
CDSize 3=1024
CDSize 4=1024
CDSize 5=1024
CDSize 6=1024
MaxBitrate=6000
MinBitrate=2000
MaxAvg=5000
MinAvg=1600
Adjust Audio Bitrate=0
Use Min. Avg.=0
Force Film=0
Movie Offset=2
CDOverlap=2
UseCDOverlap=1
FixedChapters=0
DVDChapters=1
PBCType=0
Data Preparer=dvd2svcd
Use I-Author=0
Use VCDImager=0
No images=1
Use VCDXBuild=0
Length of Chapters=60
Use TitlePicture=0
Use ChangeCD Picture=0
Use ChangeCD Picture on All=0
Use EntrySVD=0
Save XML=1
Save Movie Info=1
ProcessPriority=2
SmartDeinterlace Mode=2
SmartDeinterlace Treshold=10
SmartDeinterlace Denoise=1
SmartDeinterlace Blend=0
SmartDeinterlace Fast=1
Edit Avisynth Script file=0
Use CDMage=0
RunPerCDImage=0
RunPerCDImage Params=
RunFinal=0
RunFinal Params=
Automatic Shutdown=0

[fletch]

Guys, there's no secret template for DVD2SVCD.. All you need to do is set the bitrate as I described in my earlier post and then set all the CD sizes to 4600meg.


comfysofa: I would bet your sync problems are caused by your DVD authoring software - Guys, do yourself a major favor and locate a copy of DVD Maestro 2.915a... Its an amazing program and you do not need to be a rocket scientist to use it..Scenarist on the other hand.... :eek:

I can say I have NEVER has a sync problem using this method while using DVD Maestro.. I believe there is a timecode encoded into the AC3 file . Maestro will automatically sync the audio to the video file when you import them....

Also, there are MANY movies that do not even need to be re-encoded..(assuming you only want to keep the movie only) I always use smartripper to rip the mpv and AC3 file first to see if they will fit onto DVD-R WITHOUT re-encoding...

If you guys need further help, send me a PM..

I might write a DVD2SVCD / DVD Maestro tutorial if there is enough interest...?

Cheers

Fletch

[comfysofa]

well - ive got over the sync problem now - using spruce up - to create the audio/video_ts files.......but i would like to use dvd2svcd to do the encoding job (using rempeg and the moment), cos as you say it does all the donkey work for you - but im gonna try we7313's ini file to see if that cures the problem - i did get hold of a version of dvd maestro a couple of night ago but havent had chance to use it yet cos both my machines are currently rendering at the moment....i did briefly load it up and it didnt look as easy as spruce up to work ......but hey ho ill have a go anyway......

thanks for everyones help so far

Comfy

[comfysofa]

We7313

I used your setting and still had the same problem although not as bad - chucking it into spruce up gave me the delay still but not as bad - Fletch do the tutorial - i couldnt make head nor tail of dvd maestro - if poss can you give me and idea - although im still gonna press on and see if i can get something out of it.....thanks for the help so far

Comfy

[fletch]

Comfysofa, check this post out -

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29113

It'll get you started.. Also, you would be better off hanging out in the DVD/MiniDVD forum for DVD related answers.. Lots of knowledgable people there and many are using Maestro

Cheers

Fletch

[blindy007]

Hey there,
I have been reading this thread for a few days and got some very good infromation. I am trying to create DVD backups with DVD to SVCD. I tried out DVD to sVCD's method and I ended up with the same problem. I am using Ulead Moviefactory to author and burn my dvds. When I try to load the finished .mpg file into Moviefactory it tells me that it is not a compleint mpeg file. It says to load a compleint dvd,vcd,or svcd file. I am a bit lost. I know it is better to load separate audio and video files but with Moviefacotry it wants a muxed mpg. Also I read that I should use the .ac3 file stript by DVD to AVI but I can not because Moviefactory does not support .ac3 audio. Is the audio that is created in the final .mpg file causing the problem. I hope someone here is familiar with Ulead oviefactory and ca nhelp. I hate to ask questions but i followed the first threads and still no luck. Thanks in advance

[fletch]

Hi blindy007,

Yes, your problem is the audio in your MPG file is AC3.. I would really consider finding a copy of a program that supports AC3 rather than down convert the audio..
Failing that, just ammend the audio tab settings to create 48khz audio and it should work (I think... )


Cheers

Fletch

[KYUSS]

lo all

can subtitles be ripped and inluded on the dvdr using dvd2svcd?
or do they have to be ripped seperately and converted to a file type that spruce/maestro/scenarist will accept?

thank you

[fletch]

Rip them seperately using Subrip - Takes 5 minutes. (Assuming you are using Maestro)

[Yeah Right]

I have been using dvd2svcd to make my last 10 dvd-R. It works like a charm evrytime. The only 2 options im missing is to rip the subtitle and chapterlist, så evrything is ready to import into maestro.

So Mr. DVD2SVCD if your bored in the future, those 2 features would be desired.

[t1955feb]

I made also 5 dvd+r with dvd to svcd and all perfect with subs remuxing Spruce up no problems.

[dvd2svcd]

Originally posted by Yeah Right
I have been using dvd2svcd to make my last 10 dvd-R. It works like a charm evrytime. The only 2 options im missing is to rip the subtitle and chapterlist, så evrything is ready to import into maestro.

So Mr. DVD2SVCD if your bored in the future, those 2 features would be desired. You do get a chapter list if you select DVD Chapters in the CD Image tab. It's called "dvd2svcd chapters file.ini" and the chapters is on a frame basis.

The subtitles is extracted too by dvd2svcd.

[Slick]

Originally posted by dvd2svcd
SpruceUP worked for me.

I have been following the various threads re: authuring for DVD.
and have tried the suggestions in your earlier thread which do work.
but I'm stumped as to how do you get Spruceup to accept the .ac3 audio file?
I can import the video but not the audio.

thanks

Andy

Sorry, Ignore this post I am sorted now (I think)

I just read that the .ac3 automatically loads when you use the .m2v file ;)

[Yeah Right]

I meant to rip the subtitles and chapterlist in a maestro (or scenarist) compatible format.

[Kryzzle]

@dvd2svcd:

Your guideline (s. above) helped a lot, but honestly, I do not understand the purpose of muxing with bbmpeg, since muxing will be performed using the authoring software in later steps, where I just use CCE_encoded*.mpv. Is it possible to omit the muxing step?

Furthermore, why would I want to increase the luminance by a value of 5? Is there any technical reason behind this which I don't get?

[marcovan]

For those that are trying to use use DVD2SVCD to create DVD-R here is the method I use when the movie is to big and I do not want to split it. The quality of the output is great. Just follow it step by step.

http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/userguides/114252.php


Works like a charm!

[dvd2svcd]

Originally posted by Kryzzle
Your guideline (s. above) helped a lot, but honestly, I do not understand the purpose of muxing with bbmpeg, since muxing will be performed using the authoring software in later steps, where I just use CCE_encoded*.mpv. Is it possible to omit the muxing step?Nor do I ;). Anyway, there's no way to omit the muxing, except by stopping dvd2svcd and then bbMPEG when it start's to mux.

Originally posted by Kryzzle
Furthermore, why would I want to increase the luminance by a value of 5? Is there any technical reason behind this which I don't get? I find that a luminance of 5 is closer to the original dvd, however, it also depends on the filters you use in AviSynth.

[chuckwiseley]

I have followed mij's guide but can't seem to get a pulldown mpv at what I specify. I am using CCE 2.5

e.g. when doing the majestic, the bitrate settings are cd size=3900
max 8500
min 300
min ave 4200 [ticked]
max ave 4500

I get an mpv file that is 4.8 gig

when I try to lower the max bitrate I can get closer but nero says I am out of DVD compliance and fails reallocation.

done lots of svcd's but can't get a dvd over 4.5 gig

[Slick]

Hi Chuckwiseley

try this.
under Bitrate. set all No of disks = 1
set all size to 4300

set bitrates as follows.
max 6500
min 2000
max avg 6000

under audio. "do not convert audio"
under dvd2avi set NTSC field operation to "automatic" & luminance gain to "5"
under bbmpeg set advanced bbmpeg output settings to "MPEG2" (double click on the MPEG2 tab)
under cd images set "dont make images"
under misc set dvd2svcd level to "advanced" set input file type to DVD & output file type to MPEG2 & tick dont delete any files.

these settings will give you a single .mpv file & .ac3 file which equal around 4.3gig

I use these settings all the time & results are spot on every time.
(Note: dvd2svcd will only produce a pulldown.mpv when the source is NTSC)

if this dosent work then Email me direct I will send you my .ini file
it will set your parameters as mine are.

Slick

[raucous]

I just wanted to add as an aside that these settings work great for me, and I am using the Tsunami encoder (and DVD Maestro)

Fot the Tsunami encoder I set 2pass variable bitrate (VBR)
and in advanced I set GOP (top to bottom) (1, 5, 2, 1, 0), and selected output bitstream for edit (Closed GOP)

The encoding is painfully solw on my AMD XP 2000 (20 hours for 2.5 hour movie), but it looks great on 51" HDTV w/progressive scan.

On the VCDHelp FAQ it says to load the DVD Maestro output IFOs in IFOedit, and choose "Get VTS Sectors" before you burn it in Nero. I'm not sure why, but I do this just to be safe, I guess.

I did find a CCE SP 2.66 trial version, that never expires. I wonder if I can use it, and if it would be better or faster than Tsunami?

Peace,
__e

[chuckwiseley]

Originally posted by Kryzzle
@dvd2svcd:

Your guideline (s. above) helped a lot, but honestly, I do not understand the purpose of muxing with bbmpeg, since muxing will be performed using the authoring software in later steps, where I just use CCE_encoded*.mpv. Is it possible to omit the muxing step?

Furthermore, why would I want to increase the luminance by a value of 5? Is there any technical reason behind this which I don't get?

I simply created a batchfile fakebbmpeg.cmd in the bbmpeg directory that does nothing and point to it instead of runbbmpeg on the bbmpeg tab.

the text of fakebbmpeg simply has:

echo I am done

I know this forces me to manually change back if I create SVCDs but I haven't had to yet. DVD2SVCD simply ends without error after the pulldown and running the fakebbmpeg.cmd since there is nothing left to do.;)

[Josh]

I'm trying to use the outlines given by DVD2SVCD for making DVD-Rs, but I do not see a cd size of 1024 in the bitrate tab, the highest is 900mb. I figure that must be in an older version? Following those guidelines, does the movie get recognized as a dvd in a standalone player or still svcd?

[Slick]

Originally posted by Josh
Following those guidelines, does the movie get recognized as a dvd in a standalone player or still svcd?

yes it does. you are now creating a DVD format movie not a svcd.
the XXX.mpg file created by d2s is not used.

though I would suggest you read the rest of the thread.

Slick

[Midnight Tboy]

hiya....we're going to give it a try to dvd-r now at the full 720x576 resolution instead of putting CVD's to dvd-r



in the 1st reply to this thread DVD2SVCD wrote as step 4 :-

4. In the CCE tab under Advanced Settings Select "Close all GOPs"


why is that need to be done?
will it still work to put the mpv and the mp2 file I have made into spruceup without selecting to close all gops, or is it essential??

[Slick]

"Close all GOPs"
why is that need to be done?


I'm not sure why "Close all GOPs" needs to be done, but I would suggest you do. I'm sure a search on this subject will bear fruit ;)

will it still work to put the mpv and the mp2 file I have made into spruceup without selecting to close all gops, or is it essential??

I would suggest it is essential for the correct playing of the DVD in a standalone.

note: You will be using the .mpv file in spruceup. D2s does not produce a .mp2 ;)
also, if your movie is "NTSC" it will produce both a XXX.Mpv and a XXX_pulldown.Mpv. you must use the XXX_pulldown.Mpv or the sound will be out of sink.

p.s: don't forget to rename the XXX.mpv & the XXX.ac3 the same name or you will not get any sound. :D

[Midnight Tboy]

doh, only reason I was asking bout the GOP is that in past I've made CVDs without having to make any change like that, and still put them to dvd-r

so already tried to do it without changing the GOP option.

Reason I mentioned about the mp2 file, was sometimes, if it was a dvd I was ripping, then yeah I'd use the ac3 file, however I convert a lot of divxs too, which majority of dont have ac3 audio, so would have to use the 48khz mp2 like I used in CVD.


hopefully will get some results anyways

[mordant]

Is there a way to do 1 pass VBR and still have a correct file size? Somone wrote a guide for doing that with SVCD's awhile back. Would it apply to DVDr?

[sunmiztres]

i just wanted to say that i have been using dvd2svcd since it was available (use to do all the steps by "hand") and it worked great for svcd's. i am now doing dvd's using dvd2svcd and again it works great. you only have to change a few settings and BAM it works like a charm. just do what all the people are saying or follow all the guides available and i promise it will work. i save my settings for svcd, dvd with 1 movie, and dvd with 2 movies and all i have to do is load my settings on the misc tab and i am good to go for what i want to create. thanks dvd2svcd for the GREAT program!

[Josh]

I haven't tried re-encoding to DVDR due to fearing I may lose some of the image quality. Do you notice any decrease in quality re-encoding to make it fit on only 1 DVDR?

[sunmiztres]

i don't notice anything different when i reencode. I use cce and usually do a 3 pass and it looks like the original.

[DVD__GR]

keep in mind that close all gops will lower a bit the quality because gops referencings will be only in itself..i use open gops and never had a problem..

[Slick]

I haven't tried re-encoding to DVDR due to fearing I may lose some of the image quality. Do you notice any decrease in quality re-encoding to make it fit on only 1 DVDR?

Ask yourelf one question. how many 800mb disks do you normally back up to using svcd?
if it is less than 5. then then the quality you will achieve using DVD+-R is better not worse.......
ie: 4300kb on DVD 4000mb on 5 X 80 min cds.

but then if you re-encode svcd to DVD you will lose. IE: 480 X 480 (svcd) re-encoded to 720 X 480 (DVD) will equal Crap quality IMHO.
in other words back up your original DVD from DVD to DVDr :D

you will also get full 5.1 audio ;) .

[arman212]

Hello, this question has been asked but not answered. What has to be done to get subtitles onto a Maestro authored dvd. Looking at Trilight's dvd9-dvdr guide there are 2 different vid files that have to be used when authoring. How can I do all this from beginning to end. I will use the settings stated at the beginning of the post for dvd2svcd, as long as that is what I am supposed to do. I also want to keep the chapters. I am used to using Tmpgenc but I think I can use CCE if needed.

[ChickenMan]

Simply use SubRip to get Maestro compatable Subtitles from original DVD and also ChaperXtractor to get your Chapter points (also saved in Maestro format).

[hoozdapimp]

Originally posted by Slick

but then if you re-encode svcd to DVD you will lose. IE: 480 X 480 (svcd) re-encoded to 720 X 480 (DVD) will equal Crap quality IMHO.


this is simply not true. going from 480x480 to 720x480 is much easier than going the other way around. i have done some tests, and using cce, i didn't notice ANY quality loss.

[Slick]

Originally posted by hoozdapimp
this is simply not true. going from 480x480 to 720x480 is much easier than going the other way around. i have done some tests, and using cce, i didn't notice ANY quality loss.

Hi hoozdapimp

I did say IMHO. ;)

There have been numorous threads about what constitutes a good quality movie.

IE:
some like the quality of 1 pass CBR
others need 4 > passes VBR

it depends largely on the original bitrate used for the svcd.
some like 2 disk backups others like 5.

a typical svcd encoded at 2000 is never going to look good at 720x480 IMHO.

Personal taste.

:)

[Tw1st3dKn0t]

I have been using DVD2SVCD for about a month to backup my DVDs to DVD +r, this has worked very well with one small exception, DTS tracks :(. I can pull out the DD 5.1 but several of my DVDs have DTS and I would like not to have to use DVD2DVDr to pull out the audio tracks and than DVD2SVCD to encode (btw, DVD2SVCD does a much better job at encoding then DVD2DVDr, even though they both use cce).

I would also like to mention that I don't use Maestro or Spruce up or Pinnacle or whatever to make a DVD -+r, ifoedit 0.95 does it just fine... (there is a little button on top that reads "DVD author") than just drop it into Nero 5.5.10

Just my .02

Tw1st3d

btw, DVD2DVDr has a very nice capability of telling you the appropriate bitrate for a full DVD +/- r after you have deselected the subtitles and audio tracks you do not want, a very nice feature!!!

[menow]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sunmiztres
just do what all the people are saying or follow all the guides available and i promise it will work. i save my settings for svcd, dvd with 1 movie, and dvd with 2 movies and all i have to do is load my settings on the misc tab and i am good to go for what i want to create.

sunmiztres,
is it possible for you to post you settings files for dvd w/ 1 movie and dvd with 2 movies? I've read most/all of the posts/guides and there are so many ways that i'm totally confused. it would be a big help if you could post them (or email them). thanks
wgzr@hotmail.com

[Josh]

I know it's only a personal preference, but personally I don't mind splitting the disk with ifoedit, that way you get everything still, even the bonus material if you want it. And there's never any worry about quality either because it's in the original dvd format. And no worries about dts, subs, or anything. If you need help on how to split dvds, we've been talking about it on this thread here. Just follow the guide on the link on page 1, or follow Chibi's way of doing it there on page 1 too. They both work and are pretty similar. The easiest/simplist guide is on the link to afterdawn.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44830

[Fmazzanti]

Originally posted by Tw1st3dKn0t
btw, DVD2SVCD does a much better job at encoding then DVD2DVDr, even though they both use cce.

Uhh... how can you say that? Both progs, AFAIK, *only* feed an .avs file to CCE which encodes them. As the encoding program is the same, differences can only be in the filters/tokens you put in the .avs file and/or the value of the parameters you put in CCE. But both things can betweaked in both programs, so I can't see your point.
Another story is that you run DVD2DVDr with default parameters. But that, of course, is not a problem with the program itself...

[dvd2svcd]

This thread is getting OT. This is _only_ for issues regarding dvd2svcd, not DVD conversion programs. Please use the appropriate forum.

Thread closed!