why do you "back up"?

[lee mu bai]

just curious, because it's not something i've ever wanted to do...back up my DVDs, that is. i use this site for information on making my own DVDs from DV and VHS, and occasionally for downloaded movies. i mean, once you buy a DVD, do you really need a second copy? does everyone here want "backups" of their DVDs for their car DVD players? or do you use this site for mostly, um, slightly less than legal intentions?

[avih]

this site is video and audio related.
what you decide to do with that is up to u.
this site does NOT promote illegal activities.
cheers and welcome ;)
avi

[Emp3r0r]

I for one have many reasons to backup and they all fall into my idea of fairuse.

To extend the period in which I can watch a rented video.
To safeguard DVD's from scratches due to normal use.
To prolong the life of my DVD drive.
To simplify access to my favorite movies (harddrive access).
To watch with higher quality than available with my standalone.
To share across my home network.
To test out video codecs and emerging containers.

Hey, I payed for the DVD, I should be able to do anything but copy and redistribute for profit. Just my 2 cents.

[mpucoder]

Originally posted by Emp3r0r
I for one have many reasons to backup and they all fall into my idea of fairuse.

To extend the period in which I can watch a rented video.


You were doing so well, until you mentioned rentals. Fair use applies to copyrighted material you own, what you have suggested amounts to fraud (defrauding the video rental company)

[sarahjh69]

i just want to steal films!

backup is just a cop out don't sue me word!

ha ha

[diji1]

glad to see u leaving out the religious rhetoric this time, lol ... none the less, i think some things are left unsaid sometimes. most ppl know what this site is about i think, no point in asking for trouble.

[Uli]

Originally posted by mpucoder


You were doing so well, until you mentioned rentals. Fair use applies to copyrighted material you own, what you have suggested amounts to fraud (defrauding the video rental company)

In germany, and europe?, ( till now ) it is legal to copy DVDs rented for home use. As long as you don't show or give it away to others it's ok.

just my 2 cents...

greetz, Uli

[evilhomer]

I would like to respectfully disagree with mpucoder. Fair use to me means personal use. If you *rent* a VHS tape or use your VCR to record a movie on HBO you are allowed to make a backup copy for "private home viewing" as specified in the FBI warning label. The question of the legality of this is the DMCA, which states that it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection. So if you VHS to VHS a macrovisioned tape (with a video stabilizer, or a program for your tv card) *or* you break the CSS encryption of a CD you have now broken the law. There are very few non-CSS encrypted discs these days, so if you've backed up a single DVD - EVEN IF YOU OWN IT(!) and you live in the U.S. then you have broken the DMCA and are guilty of a crime (not fraud as mpucoder said, breaking the DCMA is a crime itself).

[jggimi]

Has anyone here read http://www.doom9.org/disclaimer.htm ? Doom9 carefully describes the current legal position -- and one interpretation -- of the outcome of the suit between MPAA and 2600.com

[Emp3r0r]

QUOTE]what you have suggested amounts to fraud (defrauding the video rental company)[/QUOTE]

If I had my own dictionary, Blockbuster would be listed under definition of fraud. There have been numerous class action lawsuits against blockbuster due to their late fees and rental policies. Besides, if I rent a movie and become too busy to watch it, why shouldn't I be able to hold on to it until it is convenient for me? This doesn't seem like my idea of fraud... and shouldn't such things depend on everybody's opinion and not the influence of corporations.

In conclusion, everyone should speak up about fair use. Call congress, call Bruce Willis, call your Mother and tell them what you think.

[brashquido]

I agree Emp3r0r,

I hire DVD's during the week and do a "backup" of them so I can watch them on the weekend when I have time. At my local video store, they charge $6 for 3 movies Mon-Thur, then it goes up to $6 for one movie over the weekend. If they didn't do this, I wouldn't have a need to "backup" DVD's I rent.

[Triggerle]

...to slow down 25fps (PAL) movies to their original 24fps and enjoy the film as it was meant to be seen.

...to watch my films on my notebook while flying to New York in the concorde :D

[sarahjh69]

well said about It being a crime to bypass protection!

And about blockbuster.......
In the UK Warner Bros. charge about £8 for a movie to
retailers like ASDA. Blockbuster have been paying £20
per movie for their 'rental' copies and have just told
Warner Bros. to go take a running jump......cos they
are not prepared to pay over the odds.......
is this the end of renting Warner releases????????

[HomR]

Originally posted by Triggerle
...to slow down 25fps (PAL) movies to their original 24fps and enjoy the film as it was meant to be seen.

...to watch my films on my notebook while flying to New York in the concorde :D

If you can afford to fly on the concorde, you should be able to afford a notebook with a dvd drive. ;) :p

[RadicalEd]

Well duh, to mass produce in SVCD format and sell to my sucker friends at unreasonably high black market prices, what did you think? o.O

Kidding of course (maybe >.>) but I think the guy working at Circuit City summed it up the best in the words "All the fun stuff is illegal"

[Triggerle]

Originally posted by HomR


If you can afford to fly on the concorde, you should be able to afford a notebook with a dvd drive. ;) :p
While the Concorde thing was a joke, it is true that you are not allowed to operate CD/DVD drives in airplanes.

I fly several times a month (Europe, city connections), so this is an issue for me.

[HomR]

Originally posted by Triggerle

While the Concorde thing was a joke, it is true that you are not allowed to operate CD/DVD drives in airplanes.

I fly several times a month (Europe, city connections), so this is an issue for me.

heh, i figured.


whats with not being able to use optical drives on airplanes? :confused:

[diji1]

HomR : whats with not being able to use optical drives on airplanes?

u could be a terrorist with that optical drive !!

[Triggerle]

Originally posted by HomR

whats with not being able to use optical drives on airplanes? :confused:
I found several sites mentioning that Germany's regulations don't allow optical drives during flight. I didn't find any original references to those regulations, though.

I can assure you, however, that in each and every case that I have used an airplane they mentioned that mobile phones and CD-players or laptops with CD-ROM drives may not be used during the entire flight.

They never objected to me using my notebook (which doesn't have a CD-ROM drive)

[jmonfm]

Just to do this topic to death. As far as I see it, as long as you are not doing DVD's to sell for profit - but are doing them for your own private use (1 copy only) I see no problem. After all we all record stuff from the T.V. - put L.P.'s onto tape (whopse, showing my age now) I meant C.D.'s to tape Don't we:confused:

Also, if I can buy a DVD-R for £0.70 - why can a film cost up to £20.00 ??:angry: After all, it has already been at the Cinema making oodles of money - right:rolleyes:
Happy Ripping

[brashquido]

Piracy is a problem with any kind of item which can be easily duplicated (duh!). I think the industry is going the entirely wrong way about trying to discourage it. Instead of trying to create flimsy copy protection that can be easily overcome like those found in DVD's and computer games, or getting laws passed that prevent even legitimate owners from making a backup copy to protect their investment. Why don't they make the legal copy that much more attractive than any pirate copy, that people feel that the are getting value for their money.

I basically think two things need to be done;

1) Reduce the purchase price to something the average punter will think it's worth parting with their money for. Here in Australia, new titles cost about $35 each. I don't think that is value for money, especially when I can hire it, rip it and burn it to DVD-R all for under $15.

2) Include something that can't be replicated as easily. I think I would be buying more DVD's if there was something like a decent poster included with the purchase.

Obviously piracy will never be stopped, but I think they should be looking at ways to discourage it at its root, instead of where it comes out. Just my 2c worth.

[diji1]

yep. dmca, dmca (part the 2 ) and palladium springs to mind ...

brashquido : ... but i think they should be looking at ways to discourage it at its root ...

[NeVeRLiFt]

I'm a cheap poor bastard and I rent or borrow DVD's and rip them then show off the rips and brag about the quality. Love it when friends and family come over and I watch a DivX on my TV using TV-out and they think there watching the DVD ;)

To be honest and no BS I love doing VideoCapture and Encoding. And ripping DVD's is well all this is more a Hobbie than anything. I just enjoy doing it and learning about it.


Happy 4th July!




PS: just ripped that DVD Moulin Rouge... looks beautiful! But one scene... the one where Nichole and Ewan are up on that thing? They are singing about love and he gets on top of that thing and it pans and zooms and etc.. well that scene goes to crap! Encoded 5 different times and even Anti-shit is not working.
Just for heck of it I'm gonna rip the DVD using XviD and DivX5.02 Pro and see how they handle that scene.


:D

[int_53185]

I've been reading this discussion with much interest...and it all boils down to one thing....$$$$ Everytime a new technology comes out...there is a big furor over weather copying should be allowed...and what about all the royalties that should be paid to the artists....not to mention the studios! I go to a lot of movies....at least once a week...I find it perverse that we are allowed to "rent" these same titles we paid good money to see in the theaters...and then be expected to pay good money again....almost as much...or perhaps more than we originally paid to see the movie in theatrical release...for the dvd...this seems like double- dipping to me...dvd prices could be lowered dramatically...from what I understand...producing a dvd title costs very little...must we bankrupt ourselves to enjoy the movies we want to see? Hey! I love HOLLYWOOD! And i dont want to see anyone suffer...everyone should be paid theyre fair share for the movies they make/distribute....but should the consumer be ripped- off by high dvd prices and ridiculous rental fees by the "blockbuster" rental chains? Its time we cried a little...the studios had theyre turn...theyre in no danger of financial collapse...perhaps they should visit the stock market section of the newspaper/post 911...and realize not everyone has deep pockets.....we're all here to enjoy and or make our own movies...POO on the people who want discourage our enjoyment....

[theReal]

int_53185, that's a good thought. If you go to see a movie in the movie theatre, why don't you get a credit note for a free copy of that movie? With this credit note, you could then buy the DVD for it's production costs (=almost nothing).

Paying for the actual work of art more than once really is a rip-off! Just the same as the fact that I'm paying half a Euro-Cent per CDR to the GEMA (German copyright society) even if I'm only recording my own DV homevideo or other data that belongs to me and that I paid for. Not to mention that they think they deserve more money for each CDR sold...

[int_53185]

Good idea Real...giving free or discount coupons to movie customers to purchase the dvd copy of the movie they just bought tickets for...take note studio execs...i think reducing dvd prices and or giving discounts would all but eliminate piracy and or copying...i dont believe anything anyone here is doing is illegal..just as i believe that selling pirated movies IS illegal...i cant blame the studios for pursuing that...just dont punish the average movie-goer who IS supporting the movie industry..."THEY" should help us out a bit........

[Fantasma]

Why do I make a backup of a DVD ?

I live in a poor 3rd World Country, my salary is very low, so
when I have the chance to purchase of DVD in the United States
with region 1, I do it, because I live in a Country where DVDs are region 5, purchasing them cost twice than doing it in the States.

I have to save several months to do that
so it is a huge investment for me and I like movies.
A backup allow me to extend the life of my little collection and enjoy the movie even when there is no DVD rom around.

I love learning new computer stuff.

[Mystic-Dragon]

I do it to expand my experiences... I experiment with all kinds of stuff, just to expand my knowledge... For Example: I use programs to make websites (though not Explosive good websites, but just so I know how to.) And because I think the things I do are cool..

Currently I'm encoding/backupping anime... (not only for the experiences though, but also to "protect" my original dvd's)

[smok3]

i do that only cos i want to see if my starwars colletion will look any good when played from floppy :p