Pitch of audio taken down during rip?

[thebigbeef]

Hi all

I have been using DVD2SVCD for a few months now with CCE SP 2.5 Encoder

Great results but I have come across a strange occurence.

This has happened to me on a few DVD Silvers and an original R1 release (10th Kingdom box set)

I set everything as normal but when it has finished and I check it out, the audio is still synced up with picture (as it should) but it seems to have been lowered in pitch.

deeper voices etc...

Why is this?

I have tried both with or without downsampling (if that could effect it)

Any ideas?

Like I said it mainly happens with DVD Silvers or just this R1 Original release (so far)

Help

thebigbeef@hotmail.com

[MikeReid]

hmmm...don't know exactly.... never been a problem for me....
as long as you chose NOT to delete files, you're always welcome to open your MP2 file, and upsample it till it sounds normal.

Then, you can run a crash recovry from Audio Processing, or Muxing and Cutting, etc... whatever you feel necessary and based on how much extra time you have.

if sound and images are synched as you say, the end result SHOULD be the same, just a better, more correctly sounding movie.

just play around with the sampling until you find a match, then recreate your SVCD...

I recommend using Sonic Foundry's Sound Forge to open/edit the MP2 file.

good luck.

Mike

[markrb]

Where are your logs? In this case we will need the BeSweet log as well.

Mark

[thebigbeef]

Right then

Just ripped 1 chapter off the NTSC DVD "10th Kingdom"

As before on this title, the audio's pitch has been taken down but is in perfect sync with the video.

I hope the logs below shed some light on the problem

Beefy

thebigbeef@hotmail.com


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DVD2SVCD LOG
Key found: E93CA723D1
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- 09/06/2002 15:16:32
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.0.8 build 1
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 09/06/2002 15:16:34
- Free on drive E: 17713.53 mb
- Internal rip
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Preparing vobfiles to be ripped:
- F:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.vob
- F:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.vob
- F:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.vob
- F:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.vob
- F:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.vob
- F:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_6.vob

Ripping: F:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.vob
Ripping finished. Speed: 1613

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- 09/06/2002 15:18:00
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- E:\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"E:\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_01_1.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film NOT activated!
Framerate: 29970
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 09/06/2002 15:18:06
- Free on drive E: 17579.48 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: -173 ms
Audio extraction finished.

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- 09/06/2002 15:18:14
- Free on drive E: 17574.34 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Converting Audio to MP2. Filename: E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"E:\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -g max ) -ota( -d -173 -r 1200 1001 ) -ssrc( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 224 -m s )
Audio conversion of E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 09/06/2002 15:19:13
- Free on drive E: 17567.14 mb
- Converting Pictures
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Converting: E:\DVD2SVCD\cover11.jpg
Converting: E:\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Finished converting pictures
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- 09/06/2002 15:19:21
- Free on drive E: 17565.84 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
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Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 833239988
AudioSectors: 7759836
VideoPAPO: 12787128
ScanOffsetBytes: 8052
SeqAligningBytes: 511749
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 4
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 300.00
PureMPEGStream: 812173218.67
Seconds: 273.40
CalcMPEGStream: 812173218.67
Frames: 6710
CDSize: 800.00
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 6710
Anti Noise Filter: 2
Passes: 4
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2530
Avg. Bitrate: 2410
Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 1.250
Video Encoding finished.

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- 09/06/2002 15:38:05
- Free on drive E: 17486.77 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: E:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"E:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TitlePicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 09/06/2002 15:38:08
- Free on drive E: 17486.70 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: E:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"E:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 09/06/2002 15:38:11
- Free on drive E: 17486.66 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: E:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"E:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 09/06/2002 15:38:28
- Free on drive E: 17401.34 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
265.927 seconds E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 09/06/2002 15:38:34
- Free on drive E: 17401.33 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 1

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"E:\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --cue-file="E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VCDXBuild_Script_1.xml"
CD-Image creation finished.

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- 09/06/2002 15:38:43
- Free on drive E: 17313.42 mb
- SVCD Creation finished!
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ENCODED AUDIO 1 LOG

BeSweet v1.3b9 logfile.
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Logging start : 06/09/02 , 15:18:17.

E:\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 -output E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2 -logfile E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.log ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -g max ) -ota( -d -173 -r 1200 1001 ) -ssrc( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 224 -m s )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:-173] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:-173] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby surround compatible
[00:00:00:-173] | Total Gain: 8.9dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:-173] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:-173] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-173] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-173] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:-173] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:-173] +-------- SSRC -------
[00:00:00:-173] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:-173] | Dest. Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:-173] | Attenuation : 0.0db
[00:00:00:-173] +-------- FRC --------
[00:00:00:-173] | Source Frame-Rate: 1001
[00:00:00:-173] | Dest. Frame-Rate: 1200
[00:00:00:-173] +-------- 2LAME ------
[00:00:00:-173] | Bitrate method : CBR
[00:00:00:-173] | MP2 bitrate : 224
[00:00:00:-173] | Channels Mode : Stereo
[00:00:00:-173] | Error Protection: Yes
[00:00:00:-173] +---------------------
[00:03:43:763] Conversion Completed !
[00:03:43:763] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 268kbps
[00:00:55:000] <-- Transcoding Duration
Logging ends : 06/09/02 , 15:19:12.


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SVCD INFO

GENEREL INFO
- Source: DVD (NTSC)
- Movie Offset: 2 sec
- CD Overlap seconds: Yes, 4 sec
- Startup delays: Video: 180 ms Audio 1: 180 msAudio 2: 180 ms
- Video format: PAL (converted from NTSC)
- Length: 00:04:28
- CD Images:

IMDB INFO:
Movie title:
User rating:
Directed by:
Writing credits:
Genre:
Tagline:
Plot outline:

VIDEO INFO:
- Encoder: Cinema Craft Encoder 2.50.1.0
- Encoding mode: Multipass VBR
- Passes: 4
- Max. bitrate: 2530
- Avg. bitrate: 2410
- Min. bitrate: 300
- Image Quality Prio: 17
- Antinoise filter: Yes, 2
- Linear quant. scale: Yes
- Zigzag scan order: Yes
- Upper field first: Yes
- Progressive frames: Yes
- iDCT Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX
- Resize method: SimpleResize
- Temporal smoother: No
- Deinterlace: SeparateFields/SelectEvery
- Pulldown: No
- Matrix:
Intra:
8 16 19 22 26 27 29 34
16 16 22 24 27 29 34 37
19 22 26 27 29 34 34 38
22 22 26 27 29 34 37 40
22 26 27 29 32 35 40 48
26 27 29 32 35 40 48 58
26 27 29 34 38 46 56 69
27 29 35 38 46 56 69 83
Non-Intra:
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16


AUDIO INFO:
- Audiostreams: 1
- Audio 1 Language: English
- Audio 1 Bitrate: 224
- Audio 1 Sample freq: 44100
- Audio 1 Mode: Stereo
- Audio 1 Besweet: "E:\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "E:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -g max ) -ota( -d -173 -r 1200 1001 ) -ssrc( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 224 -m s )

SUBTITLE INFO:
- Subtitlestreams: 0
- Type:
- Sub. 1 Language:
- Sub. 2 Language:
- Sub. 3 Language:
- Sub. 4 Language:

AUTHORING INFO:
- CD Image program: VCDXBuild
- Entrysvd: No
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[dvd2svcd]

The reason is because you're doing a NTSC 2 PAL conversion.

[thebigbeef]

Doing a NTSC to PAL conversion?

I have ripped around 30 or so NTSC dvds to PAL in DVD2SVCD with no problems whatsoever.

Always rip to PAL. results look better to me.


Any other ideas?

Beefy

[MikeReid]

I highly doubt it should matter, but I notice you are using:
DVD2SVCD ver. 1.0.8 build 1

....Personally, I'm a stickler for always having the newest release of any program I use...

Try updating to 1.0.9 build 2...

if the end result is the same, listen to dvd2svcd...maybe keep this ONE movie that is giving you problems in NTSC ??

[dvd2svcd]

What I meant was, the movie is converted from 29.970 to 25 fps instead of 23.976 to 25 which is the usual ntsc2pal conversion.

[madmuppet]

Hi m8 its me.
I have a few ideas so why not mail me.
You know who I am :)

[thebigbeef]

dvd2svcd - sorry if I sounded arrogant. I see what you're getting at. Will try a ntsc rip of a chapter. Will post here the result.

madmuppet - Have mislayed your email addy. Email me (unless I track it down and email you 1st! lol)


Cheers

beefy

[makaone]

This has happened to me before , only when converting NTSC to Pal .
I understand why , but is there any way of coverting and keeping it as it is surpose to be heard.
Thanks in advance , and for this great prog.

[Nick]

I had this problem with a 29.97 NTSC framerate movie.
The movie on the PAL SVCD was about 15% longer than on the NTSC DVD with all the speech slow and eerie. I only used the setting once. Never again, since I mainly encode PAL movies anyway.

I assume with a 23.976 framerate NTSC source, having never come across one, that the video is slightly speeded up but the difference is less significant.

As for 29.97 movies, the process really does not work too well. The only feasible workaround I could imagine for this would be to marginally speed up the whole thing to 30.0fps rate for the video and then only encode 5 frames out of every 6 to reduce the framerate to the 25fps PAL standard.

This loss of data would mean some jerkiness of movement in the video but depending on how severe it would be, it just might be a worthy trade-off for much improved audio. Only problem is I wouldn't have the first clue how to go about testing it !!

On a technical level how difficult would this be and has anyone ever tried it?

I am in over my head here and this might be way out! If so, I look forward to the inevitable ridicule and p-taking!

[avdmb]

Quote from dvd2svcdWhat I meant was, the movie is converted from 29.970 to 25 fps instead of 23.976 to 25 which is the usual ntsc2pal conversion.I am for the time being trying to encode such NTSC movie to PAL SVCD, and facing the same issue. Does somebody know a workaround for this ? I would do it just for curiosity because my DVD player plays as well PAL as NTSC, but I guess it would bring nothing in quality (as 29.970 * 480 * 480 ~= 25 * 480 * 576) ? or only marginally because audio is 15 % smaller ?