New Version for nandub?

[REIGN_]

when will a new version of nandub be out? It is preety "old" i think.

[aleksander]

There won't be any new version of Nandub, since Nando (the author of it) stoped development of it in the second half of 2001 because too many people were demanding too much and were too lazy to read readme.
Maybe there will be someone else who will start doing something with it, but to be honest I doubt it.
Xvid will soon be much better than Nandub, so why bother?

take care

[Dali Lama]

A similar question is when will the "first" XDub be out?? You know the xvid encoding app that will do the same for Xvid as Nandub did for Divx 3.11.

Many (ie: Koepi) people say that there will be no need for such a thing at least at the moment, which is understandable since the codec isn't finalized yet. However, there is some validity to the idea of an encoding app that utilizes the codec to its fullest with powerful curve compression techniques and other forms of control.

Xvid already has a nice curve compression routine built into the codec itself.

What do you guys think. Is it time for a brave (aka smart) soul to start "XDub"?

-Dali

[aleksander]

Well.
Many people asked for GordianKnot to work with Xvid, but Xvid is changing too rapidly to implement it into GKnot.
As for Xdub (hehe - kinda like this name) - well... I guess there won't be a need for it, since the codec itself has pretty much options right now that you can tweak without the need of any external tool.
Well.. Long time ago there was a thread about future of Nandub (kinda long, but very intersting - link here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13673)
Read it - very intersting... (hehe - started by me long time ago when I wasn't a moderator....)

take care

[Teegedeck]

I get the impression sometimes that people only ask for the addition of XviD in Nandub or 'Xdub' because they want all the switches they memorized to have the same effects with a new codec. This of course can never happen.

Asking for a 'Nandub for XviD' is pretty much like asking for rails for a hovercraft: It doesn't help and kinda misses the point. ;)

[NeVeRLiFt]

I'm all for XviD :)
A big thanks goes out for all the people who are making this happen!
But... what about MicroSoft's new Mpeg4 codec?
You people do know that MicroSoft has a new Mpeg4 codec coming out and the quality and file size is supposed to be the best ever. (Just going on the press release article and M$ statements)

So with that said, will we be using this new codec to encode our movies are will we stick with XviD? Only the future will tell...

If anyone has some thoughts are opinions about this then please share them ;)


NeVeRLiFt

[Teegedeck]

We're going a bit OT here, but... If you always want to go for the codecs that's best at the moment, you might end up using a new one every two months, don't you? ;)

WM8, DivX4, OnVP, DivX5, Real9... So I'd say, the least thing one can do is to stick to codecs that adhere to some norms that guarantee playback support in the foreseeable future - MPEG4 is the choice. You know that only XviD and DivX5 are rather strict implementations of MPEG4 ATM. Well see whether Corona can be turned into an ISO-MPEG4-stream, I doubt it somehow.

For M$'s Corona: Do you still remember when WM8 was all the rage? Quickly disappeared, didn't it? I don't care enough to seriously comment on M$'s PR for it - sensational quality/filesize? Best ever? DVD-quality over a 56K-modem? Yaaaawn! All this closed-source stuff completely depends on the tools supplied by the company that developed it for encoding and editing. That's enough reason for me to stay away from it. I personally lean towards the thought that a video codec is as important as international video standards like PAL and NTSC and hence too important to leave it to a company. Hm, sounds like that rather ties down the choice to XviD. :)

[NeVeRLiFt]

@Teegedeck

I still use Nandub for encoding my DivX movies. I have tried DivX5 and XviD and they just dont beat Nandub. The 1cd rips I make with Nandub have great quality and when viewed on my TV using TV-out people think there watching the DVD ;)


PS: If I did not use Nandub I would use Fairuse.
I keep my eye on XviD and see this as the way I will go for encoding my movies when its done. Most dont realize XviD is not even in beta its still alpha and the quality it can do is pretty impressive!

[Hanty]

NeVeRLiFt

Then you just have done enough encoding. DivX3.11 has proved itself falling short in a number of areas time and time again. You might have luck convincing the sceners on Isonews that DivX3.11 still rocks like the Rolling Stones after 30 years, but not on Doom9.

[int 21h]

Originally posted by Hanty
NeVeRLiFt

Then you just have done enough encoding. DivX3.11 has proved itself falling short in a number of areas time and time again. You might have luck convincing the sceners on Isonews that DivX3.11 still rocks like the Rolling Stones after 30 years, but not on Doom9.

Not all sceners are created equal. I'm an avid XviD supporter, however, you need to see the view of the scene in this regard also. We cannot switch codecs every 3 months when something 'better' comes along, therefore, a collective decision to wait until a formal XviD release has been made. Until then, many people, including myself, test and test and test, patiently familiarizing ourselves with XviD so that when that milestone does come, we'll already be completely familiar with its caveats, its behavior, and so forth to effortlessly make the switch.

There is much to be said of patience.

[kilroy]

i agree with int.. i believe that i myself will have to start learning XViD..why not.div3.11 has given me great results but in the meantime learning XViD will not be a problem..things change as well with the times..why hold it back? do divx3.11 and learn XViD whats the big deal ;)..keep up the good work everyone! ..might be nice to see an XDub proggie...heh

[Teegedeck]

If the MPEG4-codecs that are popping up everywhere (DIVX5, XviD, RealMagic, Quicktime) adhere to the standards, the choice which one to use is less and less relevant if one regards compatibility as one of the most important factors in the decision-making. You could just use the codec that reaches best quality ATM and switch to another one anytime. :) As long as they all can be transformed into ISO-MPEG4-streams.

A transparent, user-aware development is XviD's big plus, though.

[NeVeRLiFt]

I will keep using what gives me the best Quality... And that is Nandub and Fairuse!

I want use DivX5 and until XviD is finished I want be using it.
I have my hopes on switching to XviD. I see alot of Mpeg4 codecs popping up and I will use what gives me the best quality.

[FFiXx]

Yeah well nandub kicks sum serious ass atm and we will never know when xvid is goin to be surpassing it. I guess its just only matter of time, in meanwhile where is the new MS codec Corona? theyve been talkin alot about how good it is and nothing seems to come out. Nor beta or final :mad:

[Hanty]

Read what TG said, Corona is all talk and no walk.

[MoFoQ]

I must agree with NeVeRLiFt. Nandub rox and it's what I use. And in the applications I use it for, it surpasses Divx5 and XviD (atm) quite significantly, so much so that I don't even consider Divx5 (though XviD shows promise...but we'll see).

As for Corona, hey...it's Microsoft for pete-sake!
When did they ever have substance?
Hell, I bet that when they do release Corona, someone will have to hack it to make it useful (like Divx 3.11).

[Crucio]

But not untill the GNU is taken off of it, cause the creator of this new version does not want to release the source code since the changes to the program are so great

[gldblade]

By who?

>But not untill the GNU is taken off of it

I seriously doubt it.

[Crucio]

well its private till the release of the source code is no longer mandatory