jerky output with ogg vorbis

[hippoth]

at first i must say i try this the first time because I always use ac3 but now i have a movie wich is to long for 2 cd´s and ac3 and mp3 sounds bad

i tried to encode with ogg machine with the instructions from doom9 but on several positions the sound is jerky and click
when I tried to mux the sound with the video I saw on this positions that also the video became jerky

my system:
athlon 1.1 ghz
256 mb ram
sb live 5.1 (use digital output over coaxial spdif)
win xp pro
I use the latest besweet version

HeadAC3he v0.23 doesn´t work because i always get an error ("unknown software exception")

what can I do?


sorry for the poor english :o)

[Kb_cruncher]

i have had this problem b4.it was the ac3 file that did'nt rip properly.try extracting it again and see what happens.

[DSPguru]

logfile is more than welcomed.

[hippoth]

here i have a log file from ogg machine v0.16:



BeSweet v1.3RC by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.8 (b825) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Ogg Vorbis RC3 dlls (http://www.vorbis.com).

Logging start : 05/22/02 , 23:40:21.

k:\prog\BeSweet v1.3b9\BeSweet.exe -core( -input F:\pearlharbour AC3 T02 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 -output F:\pearlharbour AC3 T02 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY 0ms.ogg -logfilea BeSweet.log ) -azid( -L -3db -n1 -g max -c normal -s surround ) -ogg( -q 0.550 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : F:\pearlharbour AC3 T02 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: F:\pearlharbour AC3 T02 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY 0ms.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby surround compatible
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 12.6dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 0.550
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[02:55:38:272] Conversion Completed !
[02:55:38:272] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 162kbps
[01:04:22:000] <-- Transcoding Duration
Logging ends : 05/23/02 , 00:44:43.


I must say that i tried to extract the ac3 stream with 3 different rippers...smartripper, vtrip and dvddecrypter...but no chance...the result after encoding is jerky...every time at the same positions...
I made 6 or 7 encodings

and: I got headac3he to work...I did a 6 channel encoding...but here the same jerky output

and: besweet...jerky output

the original ac3 file sounds well...but the output is always jerky at the same positions...I also tried it with different players...but no chance

I don´t know what to do :o(

[hippoth]

here some more log files from headac3he...I just encoded the first minute with different settings...and with the typical pops:

HeadAC3he v0.23 by Dark Avenger 20.04.2002

Loading azid.dll 1.8 build 825...succeeded
Loading ssrc.dll 1.01 (15.04.2002) engine 1.28...succeeded
Loading lame_enc.dll 1.28 (20.04.2002) engine 3.93...succeeded
Loading vorbis.dll 1.11 (11.04.2002) engine 1.67...succeeded
Loading MP2enc.dll 1.15 (20.04.2002) engine 1.13...succeeded
Loading MPAlib.dll 1.00 (20.04.2002) engine 1.50...succeeded
Parsing INI-file...done

Notes:
dumb mode: uses absolutely no temp space
float mode: (much) faster, but uses destfile
as temp space on first pass

Choose appropriate target
and press Options 2 times for configuration.

Don't use CBR or ABR for OGG 48kHz target!


Warning:
Source file's last frame incomplete
or corrupt stream

Starting Process...
Setting up Vorbis ...succeeded

Internal DownMixer activated
Setting up Azid
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | AC-3 |
[00:00:00.000] | DECODER |
[00:00:00.000] | CORE |
[00:00:00.000] | v1.8 (b825) |
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | (C) 1997-2002 By Midas |
[00:00:00.000] | <midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu> |
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
...succeeded
Allocating buffer memory...succeeded
Starting I/O thread ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
Closing I/O thread ...done
Freeing buffer memory ...done

Pass 2:
Allocating buffer memory...succeeded
Starting I/O thread ...done
Gaining cycle ...done
Vorbis encoding cycle ...done
Gaining cycle ...done
Vorbis encoding cycle ...done
Closing I/O thread ...done
Freeing buffer memory ...done

Process finished!
Time needed: 00:00:19 (hh:mm:ss)

Starting Process...
Setting up Vorbis ...succeeded

Internal DownMixer activated
Setting up Azid
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | AC-3 |
[00:00:00.000] | DECODER |
[00:00:00.000] | CORE |
[00:00:00.000] | v1.8 (b825) |
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | (C) 1997-2002 By Midas |
[00:00:00.000] | <midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu> |
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
...succeeded
Allocating buffer memory...succeeded
Starting I/O thread ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
Closing I/O thread ...done
Freeing buffer memory ...done

Pass 2:
Allocating buffer memory...succeeded
Starting I/O thread ...done
Gaining cycle ...done
Vorbis encoding cycle ...done
Gaining cycle ...done
Vorbis encoding cycle ...done
Closing I/O thread ...done
Freeing buffer memory ...done

Process finished!
Time needed: 00:00:16 (hh:mm:ss)

Starting Process...
Setting up Vorbis ...succeeded
Setting up Azid
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | AC-3 |
[00:00:00.000] | DECODER |
[00:00:00.000] | CORE |
[00:00:00.000] | v1.8 (b825) |
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | (C) 1997-2002 By Midas |
[00:00:00.000] | <midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu> |
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
...succeeded
Allocating buffer memory...succeeded
Starting I/O thread ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
Closing I/O thread ...done
Freeing buffer memory ...done

Pass 2:
Setting up Azid
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | AC-3 |
[00:00:00.000] | DECODER |
[00:00:00.000] | CORE |
[00:00:00.000] | v1.8 (b825) |
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | (C) 1997-2002 By Midas |
[00:00:00.000] | <midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu> |
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
...succeeded
Allocating buffer memory...succeeded
Starting I/O thread ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
Vorbis encoding cycle ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
Vorbis encoding cycle ...done
Closing I/O thread ...done
Freeing buffer memory ...done

Process finished!
Time needed: 00:00:43 (hh:mm:ss)

Starting Process...
Setting up Vorbis ...succeeded
Setting up Azid
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | AC-3 |
[00:00:00.000] | DECODER |
[00:00:00.000] | CORE |
[00:00:00.000] | v1.8 (b825) |
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | (C) 1997-2002 By Midas |
[00:00:00.000] | <midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu> |
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
...succeeded
Allocating buffer memory...succeeded
Starting I/O thread ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
Closing I/O thread ...done
Freeing buffer memory ...done

Pass 2:
Setting up Azid
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | AC-3 |
[00:00:00.000] | DECODER |
[00:00:00.000] | CORE |
[00:00:00.000] | v1.8 (b825) |
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | (C) 1997-2002 By Midas |
[00:00:00.000] | <midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu> |
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
...succeeded
Allocating buffer memory...succeeded
Starting I/O thread ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
Vorbis encoding cycle ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
Vorbis encoding cycle ...done
Closing I/O thread ...done
Freeing buffer memory ...done

Process finished!
Time needed: 00:00:29 (hh:mm:ss)

Starting Process...
Setting up Vorbis ...succeeded

Internal DownMixer activated
Setting up Azid
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | AC-3 |
[00:00:00.000] | DECODER |
[00:00:00.000] | CORE |
[00:00:00.000] | v1.8 (b825) |
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | (C) 1997-2002 By Midas |
[00:00:00.000] | <midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu> |
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
...succeeded
Allocating buffer memory...succeeded
Starting I/O thread ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
Closing I/O thread ...done
Freeing buffer memory ...done

Pass 2:

Internal DownMixer activated
Setting up Azid
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | AC-3 |
[00:00:00.000] | DECODER |
[00:00:00.000] | CORE |
[00:00:00.000] | v1.8 (b825) |
[00:00:00.000] | |
[00:00:00.000] | (C) 1997-2002 By Midas |
[00:00:00.000] | <midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu> |
[00:00:00.000] +------------------------------+
...succeeded
Allocating buffer memory...succeeded
Starting I/O thread ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
Vorbis encoding cycle ...done
AC3 decoding cycle ...done
Vorbis encoding cycle ...done
Closing I/O thread ...done
Freeing buffer memory ...done

Process finished!
Time needed: 00:00:22 (hh:mm:ss)



do you need any more informations?

[DSPguru]

could be a bug of azid, follow the guides and try to encode with vob2audio/graphedit.

[hippoth]

something more:

I found out that encoding in the lowest bitrate doesn´t result in so much pops and jerky playback...but it´s not solved the problem

[hippoth]

Originally posted by DSPguru
could be a bug of azid, follow the guides and try to encode with vob2audio/graphedit.

but how can I get an ogg vorbis file with vob2audio/graphedit?

[DSPguru]

using the vorbis encoder DSF.

[hippoth]

Originally posted by DSPguru
using the vorbis encoder DSF.

I did it like a guide from doom9 said...but instead of mp3 filter I used the vorbis encoder...but I don´t know how to set up (I know how choosing fileter properties)... I mean how can I set it up to get a file with a bitrate of 160 kbps)

[DSPguru]

select quality=5

[hippoth]

but after 1 minute working graphedit writes a file with more than 50 mb and there is about 1 hour remaining...so it will result in an realy large file...whats going wrong?
do I have to set min., avg. and max. birtate...at the moment it is all at -1 (and quality factor at 5)

[hippoth]

I tried it out but don´t get acceptable results...I get a 1,17 gb file and don´t listen anything - just silence (I also can´t use the slider mediaplayer 6.4)

I don´t know whats wrong :o(

[hippoth]

@DSPguru

i tried to encode an other movie with ahedac3he and I get the same bad results
I think there is something going wrong with the progs or the filters or what do you think?

[MaTTeR]

If your ending up with 1.17GB file then something is terribly wrong. This sounds more like a WAV filesize then MP3 or Vorbis.

I would suggest deleting the apps (BeSweet, AAC Machine, BeSplit, OggMachine, HeadAC3he or whatever else) and then trying a clean install again. For HeadAc3he you need to make sure you download the right set of DLL files according to what CPU your using (ie.Athlon XP uses SSE DLLs). I think for BeSweet you just do the install and carefully select the right boxes in the GUI per the guides on this site.

[hippoth]

thanks matter for your comment :o)

I just get this large file with graphedit
with besweet, oggmachine or headac3he I get the right files size but it sounds bad
and: yes I know about the dll´s of headac3he...I have an athlon 1.1 ghz and use the mmx dll´s

I have also reinstalled some progs like headac3he...but what the hell can I do wrong?

can it be the problem of the playback and so the problem of the directshow filters?

[MaTTeR]

More likely the issue is playback then. Are you using WaveOut or DirectSound? Have you tried WO or DS inside of WinAmp to see how it sounds?

Also make sure you have no equalizer effects being used in the player like WinAmp or PowerDivx allows.

[hippoth]

Originally posted by MaTTeR
More likely the issue is playback then. Are you using WaveOut or DirectSound? Have you tried WO or DS inside of WinAmp to see how it sounds?

YES YES YES you are right...thats the matter!!!

If I choose "Direct Sound: SB Live! Wave Device" or "Default DirectSound Device" in bsplayer it sounds GOOD :o)

just with "SB Live! Wave Device" or "Default WaveOut Device" its jerky and sounds bad

But how can I teach the mediaplayer (I always use him for testing purposes) to use direct sound?...in my system settings I only can choose between "SB Live! Wave Device" and "Playback through TotalRecorder"


Oh thats so great that it works...because I don´t like mp3 when I hear what ogg vorbis can do :o)

a BIG THANK at all for your help!!!

[MaTTeR]

Glad to hear the culprit has been found:D

AFAIK WiMP is not flexible enough to allow you to change audio devices. This is the biggest reason why I don't use it. There are way too many other nice players exisiting to use that will allow you to switch audio devices.

Yeh Vorbis is certainly quite good compared to MP3;) Have fun.