DVD Backup Problem (IfoEdit)

[mikeathome]

Hi,

I got a nice DVD which most probable will become the favorite of my kids => so, like to have a private copy.

It's WB Harry P. BONUS DISK !
The DVD contents a Video part (Video_TS) and a PC part. Both
together ~4.9GB => must be a dual layer (essential info !). The Video part (Video_TS) is only 4.17 GIG => should fit a DVD-R.

Process:
1) tried SR in backup mode -> failed, is looking for keys forever
2) took DVDDecrypter and ripped all (48) files (11 titles) to harddisk (DVDDecrypter found the keys !)
3) playback functionality test with CineMaster 2k, everything ok, incl. all the nice menu and button over video branches

4) ok, conclusion is an easy one -> PrimoDVD burn to a DVD-R
5) my first coaster after ~100 DVD-R burns !
6) the DVD starts playing, the language and main menu comes up (standalone Pioneer 444) some menu entries work flawlessy some stop the player (search title 46, 41, 60 -> Stop)

7) ok, thought maybe something with the VTS table -> fired-up IfoEdit (Ver.0.91), located all IFO's and hit 'Get VTS Sectors'
8) looked ok, no error message -> PrimoDVD again burn (DVD-RW ;-) and, guess what, coaster again, same behavier

9)ok, manually check the VOBs from the DVD-RW and DVD-R on both burns (means the one with corrected sectors and the one w/o), found, some of the titles are completely corrupt ?????
- title 1 & 2 ok, title 3,4,5 corrupt, 6-11 ok
- on the corrupt titles, the IFO, the BUP and the VOBs are totally destroyed ??? the VOBs don't even open-up in DVD2AVI
10) ok, I tried to copy them back to the harddisk, ok, correct length, but still totally corrupt

What the heck is that, what I am doing wrong ?

I remember a copy of a DVD(5) I did same procedure played absolutely ok. On this special, several vobs are on the second layer (I guess) and that leads to that ???

So finally, just to ensure that the burner and burnersoft (PrimoDVD 2.0 incl. latest PXEngineUpdate) is still in order, I burned the same content again to a DVD-RW, this time renamed the VIDEO_TS into HP_VIDEO_TS and guess what, the titles are no longer corrupted.
This nonstandard DVD-RW foresure does not playback on the standalone, but it fails on the PC DVD player as well on the same menu entries.

This findings mean definately, PrimoDVD must take some information from somewhere out of the titleset and put the titles on the DVD-R/RW in this order !

Sorry, I am not an IfoEdit expert, and may be totally stupid, but I would highly appreciate if some expert could give me an advice.

mike

P.S.
I am very sorry I put that into the worng category, pls. admin move it to IfoEdit, sorry...

[Streetcleaner]

Hm sounds really crazy please post when you got the cause of the problem, per haps i will check that out too.
Greetz
Streetcleaner

[mikeathome]

Hi,

one add'l info, it's the R2 German/English/French version.

And another test follows with more stupid outcome:
- I took the rip as explained from the first post
- add'l I copied all the PC stuff to harddisk
- since it is to big (~4.9GIG) to put both together on a DVD-RW I deleted the French and English stuff from the install folder
- it's now 4.35GIG = ok
- I burned that w/o any other changes to a DVD-RW, PrimoDVD DATA Job
- guess what, now it results in the total crap

On the video part, same behavier as described above, the data part is complete crap, the Readme.txt contains only scrambled characters so do all other text files, the .exe files are not executable and so on, but all of them are copyable from the disc to harddisk ???
This time I did a verify after burn AND stupid PrimoDVD reported NO ERROR ??? It looks like PrimoDVD shuffels sectors all around and writes crap but only in some sections of the disk ???

Yes, I tested the content before burn, everything was ok, Yes, as soon as I rename the Video_TS folder to something else and burn again everything is ok, apart from the fact that there's no playback on a standalone and finally, YES, I did a virus check...

PLEASE HELP ME AND TEST THIS DVD, I AM CLOSE TO BECOME MAD ABOUT THIS.
A single post reporting same behavier on somebody else's system would make me feel much better...

mike

[mikeathome]

Hi,

last try, I want to bring that up again, I am sure you sooner or later will be in the same trap...

I did the last trial now and gave up for the time being:

- I now have a full working copy on the harddisk which plays back ALL menu selected titles (11) of the harddisk with my SoftDVDPlayer (in IfoMode)

- I burn this to disk (DVD-RW) with PrimoDVD DATA Job -> titles 3,4 & 5 are destroyed, the Ifo,Bup and Vob are no longer in valid format (DVD2AVI rejects opening the VOBs), but length and copy back to harddisk works (so the disk is ok)

- I rename the Video_TS to HP_Video_TS and burn -> the titles ALL ok now, but playback (via PC SoftDVDPlayer) still don't play these titles of the DVD-RW (but see above they play from the harddisk, absolutely the same content, bytecheck !, tested with 3 different SoftDVDPlayer (PowerDVD, WinDVD, CineMaster 2k)

@Derrow:
If you hear me, do you have an idea what the heck is going on here, I looked into the IFOs which contain strange entries, lots of 'Layer Change' entries and even NTSC resolution markup (remember it's a PAL DVD).

There must be something which is executed/read different when playing a DVD of the harddisk compared to DVD media playback.

I guess PrimoDVD writes a wrong TOC (don't know whether this is the right name pls. correct me).

I wonder if somebody is willing to try to copy this using a different methode.

mike

[mikeathome]

Hi,

latest info:

- some versions of the HP R2 Bonus disk contain mastering / manufacturing errors, german DVD test center reported
- it's not clear what caused this, some speculations say it's a test of a new kind of copy protection (ligth efficient from my point of view)

Copy worked for me NOW the folling way:
- rip using DVDDecrypter (latest x.x.17 engine), all files (Video_TS only, forget the PC part)
- IfoEdit 0.91 'Get VTS Sectors' (don't know whether this is really necessary, I did)
- image creation, via IfoEdit or standalone Imagemaker ( http://www.coujo.de/portal/portal_database.php?action=show_cat&cid=1&styleid=1 , sorry to coujo that I link directly, but the board is all german, so hard to find for the aliens :D ), thx. to streetcleaner about this info
- burn with burn proggy of your choise, should be able to burn an UDF/ISO image to a DVD-R/RW w/o touching the content, Prassi did

mike
P.S.
@doom9:
Pls. ask coujo whether you can take his proggy into your software collection, it's great stuff...

[tom para]

I've been wracking my brains on your problem. Like you, I can't think of any reason other than the disc-image formatting apps.

I ran into a roughly similar situation. Non-CSS disc, formatted via both Spruce and Primo into discimage, burnt w/ Primo. Result: played on a lousy Sharp but not a pioneer 333 (got stuck right at intro title). I also noticed the Video_TS folder does not contain a "video_ts.vob" file.

It's a long stretch but how about the 2048 (no CSS) vs 2054 (CSS) formatting thing ? (I'm sure SM and DVDdecrypter already stripped the extra 6 bytes off, but just in case...)

I'm very interested to hear what else you found out.

[Pooka]

Hi mikeathome,

Very interesting situation and great job on meticulously describing your methodology. I have read through all of your posts, and it seems you finally got it working by writing image first from IFOEDIT and then burning that image with Prassi.

I recall reading awhile back that there our issues in certain situations when using IFOEDIT processed files with a data burning job in Prassi Primo DVD. The solution for this was to do exactly what you finally figured out: create the image first in IFOEDIT. Just wanted to give you peace of mind, it's not only you.

-my two cents

regards,

Pooka

[jmonfm]

I did the Harry Potter DVD a few days ago. Main film to 2 x DVD-R's split by IFOEDIT ( care needed with menu on DVD 2). The extras DVD I just ripped using DVD Decripter to image file on c: - then write image file to DVD-R still with dvd decrypter. No problem. I gave it a quick test after burning and my kids have'nt complained yet about the quality ???

Maybe I was just lucky?

[Streetcleaner]

So i see the problem is cleared...

Greetz
Streetcleaner

[mikeathome]

Originally posted by jmonfm
I did the Harry Potter DVD a few days ago. Main film to 2 x DVD-R's split by IFOEDIT ( care needed with menu on DVD 2). The extras DVD I just ripped using DVD Decripter to image file on c: - then write image file to DVD-R still with dvd decrypter. No problem. I gave it a quick test after burning and my kids have'nt complained yet about the quality ???

Maybe I was just lucky?

Hi,

good info. You're lucky btw. There are different mastering editions of this bonus disk on the market. Some with mastering errors leading to the problem I had.

mike

[Nickolay]

>>mikeathome>> ( care needed with menu on DVD 2). Can you explain how you fix the problem. I made CD1 fine, the second DVD player does not playes. Something wrong with video_ts.***
Thanks

[mikeathome]

Originally posted by Nickolay
>>mikeathome>> ( care needed with menu on DVD 2). Can you explain how you fix the problem. I made CD1 fine, the second DVD player does not playes. Something wrong with video_ts.***
Thanks

I sent the DVD Back and got an exchange ;-)

mike