huge cce file, tried internal routines + vstrip still fails

[morci]

I have looked for this and found very little on this problem. Trying to rip 'The Rock' i havd had no luck, i have tried internal routines and vstrip. This is what happens:
1) vstrip - rips with no error messages, internal routines same error (done days ago)
2) dvd2avi works with no error messages
3) audio works with no error messages
4) the CCE kicks in and works with no error messages - duration 9hrs, file size abit over 2GB
5) the bbmPEG kicks in and has errors while encoding, i coulnt capture this
6) bbmpeg creates 1 801MB file and another 2GB file
7) vcdimager creates 1 GOOD bin file and unable to create the other file - error message is:

++ WARN: initializing libvcd 0.7.12 [cygwin/i686]
++ WARN:
++ WARN: this is the UNSTABLE development branch!
++ WARN: use only if you know what you are doing
++ WARN: see http://www.hvrlab.org/~hvr/vcdimager/ for more information
++ WARN:
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of range for 'forward_I
_offset ': [a0:01.09]
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of range for 'forward_I
_offset ': [a0:03.07]
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of range for 'forward_I
_offset ': [a0:04.36]
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of range for 'forward_I
_offset ': [a0:06.34]
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of range for 'forward_I
_offset ': [a0:08.34]
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of range for 'forward_I
_offset ': [a0:10.55]
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of range for 'forward_I
_offset ': [a0:13.09]
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: one or more BCD fields out of range for 'forward_I
_offset ': [a0:15.44]
++ WARN: mpeg user scan data: from now on, scan information data errors will not
be reported anymore---consider enabling the 'update scan offsets' option, if it
is not enabled already!

DVD2SVCD Log ->>>>>>>>
Key found: C0ECAC748A
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- 30/04/2002 9:24:19 PM
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.0.8 build 1
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 30/04/2002 9:24:23 PM
- Free on drive G: 15831.63 mb
- vStrip
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Preparing vobfiles to be ripped:
- I:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.vob
- I:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.vob
- I:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.vob
- I:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.vob
- I:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.vob

Saving the vStrip filelist:
- G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\vStrip.lst

Executing vStrip. Commandline:
"G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\vStrip\vStrip.exe" @"G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\vStrip.lst" -i"G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_01_0.IFO" -j1 -$1024 -p0 -o"G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_01.vob"
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- 30/04/2002 9:50:37 PM
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_01_1.vob,G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_01_2.vob,G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_01_3.vob,G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_01_4.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 30/04/2002 9:57:59 PM
- Free on drive G: 11866.27 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: 7 ms
Audio extraction finished.

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- 30/04/2002 10:11:48 PM
- Free on drive G: 11491.31 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Converting Audio to MP2. Filename: G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "G:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "G:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -g max ) -ota( -d 7 ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s )
Audio conversion of G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 30/04/2002 11:22:46 PM
- Free on drive G: 11303.80 mb
- Converting Pictures
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Converting: G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Finished converting pictures
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- 30/04/2002 11:22:57 PM
- Free on drive G: 11302.98 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
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Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 1658113576
AudioSectors: 199406172
VideoPAPO: 22596156
ScanOffsetBytes: 235657
SeqAligningBytes: 14977324
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 8
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 300.00
PureMPEGStream: 1420898258.53
Seconds: 8197.73
CalcMPEGStream: 1420898258.53
Frames: 196381
CDSize: 796.00
Cut point 791.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 196381
Anti Noise Filter: 2
Passes: 4
Image Quality: 5
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: One Pass VBR
Q. Factor: 5
Min. bitrate: 1900
Max. bitrate: 1386
Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 0.360
Video Encoding finished.

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- 1/05/2002 8:12:12 AM
- Free on drive G: 8635.34 mb
- Video Pulldown
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Executing Pulldown. Commandline:
"G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\pulldown\pulldown.exe" "G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC.mpv" "G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Pulldown_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv"
Video pulldown finished.

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- 1/05/2002 8:34:14 AM
- Free on drive G: 6015.83 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 1/05/2002 8:34:18 AM
- Free on drive G: 6015.81 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 1/05/2002 8:34:25 AM
- Free on drive G: 6015.77 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 791 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3875 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 3877
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 791 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 1/05/2002 9:18:25 AM
- Free on drive G: 3148.89 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3877.320 seconds G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing: G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
4313.352 seconds G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 1/05/2002 9:22:40 AM
- Free on drive G: 3148.88 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 64

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --cue-file="G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VCDXBuild_Script_1.xml"
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- 1/05/2002 9:29:34 AM
- Free on drive G: 2349.13 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 71

CD image #2: CD_Image_File_CD2.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --cue-file="G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD2.cue" --bin-file="G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD2.bin" "G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VCDXBuild_Script_2.xml"
VCDXBuild failed to create a bin/cue file!

SVCDInfo.txt ->>>>>>
GENEREL INFO
- Source: DVD (NTSC)
- Movie Offset: 2 sec
- CD Overlap seconds: Yes, 2 sec
- Startup delays: Video: 230 ms Audio 1: 230 msAudio 2: 230 ms
- Video format: NTSC
- Length: 02:16:30
- CD Images:

IMDB INFO:
Movie title:
User rating:
Directed by:
Writing credits:
Genre:
Tagline:
Plot outline:

VIDEO INFO:
- Encoder: Cinema Craft Encoder 2.50.1.0
- Encoding mode: One Pass VBR
- Max. bitrate: 2400
- Min. bitrate: 1900
- Q. Factor: 5
- Image Quality Prio: 5
- Antinoise filter: Yes, 2
- Linear quant. scale: Yes
- Zigzag scan order: Yes
- Upper field first: Yes
- Progressive frames: Yes
- iDCT Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX
- Resize method: SimpleResize
- Temporal smoother: Yes, Strength: 2 Radius: 1
- NTSC Field Operation: Force Film On
- Deinterlace: None
- Pulldown: Yes
- Matrix:
Intra:
8 16 19 22 26 27 29 34
16 16 22 24 27 29 34 37
19 22 26 27 29 34 34 38
22 22 26 27 29 34 37 40
22 26 27 29 32 35 40 48
26 27 29 32 35 40 48 58
26 27 29 34 38 46 56 69
27 29 35 38 46 56 69 83
Non-Intra:
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16
16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16


AUDIO INFO:
- Audiostreams: 1
- Audio 1 Language: English
- Audio 1 Bitrate: 192
- Audio 1 Sample freq: 48000
- Audio 1 Mode: Stereo
- Audio 1 Besweet: "G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "G:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "G:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "G:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -g max ) -ota( -d 7 ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s )

SUBTITLE INFO:
- Subtitlestreams: 0
- Type:
- Sub. 1 Language:
- Sub. 2 Language:
- Sub. 3 Language:
- Sub. 4 Language:

AUTHORING INFO:
- CD Image program: VCDXBuild
- Entrysvd: No


Cheers
Morci
PIII500Mhz, 512MB RAM, SCSI 10K 18GB Disk for dvd2svcd, CDRWin, DaemonTools, PowerDVD XP

[markrb]

I wonder if this is the problem.
In the CCE section of the log look closely at your bitrate settings.

Min. bitrate: 1900
Max. bitrate: 1386


You have the Min set higher then the MAX.

I think this is seriously confusing the program.

Mark

[morci]

Thanks for your reply markrb,

i have been using the method outlined below which helps me as my system is not too fast. you also replied to this post some time ago.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13435&highlight=a+quicker+way+to

extract ...>>>>
ok under bitrate change your settings to so.
all your cd sizes change to 796mb
from left to right change the max bitrate to 2400, your min bitrate to 1900, uncheck your min average(i dont use it) and lastly your max avg. to 2250. leave all the other things checked as they are default.

now to the cce tab. choose a 1 pass vbr. change your q factor to 5
change your image quality priority to 5 as well.
leave everything else checked as it was by default.

also Ddogg reccomends to change your temperal smotthing settings to 2,1 this should help in faster motion on some movies. (i wonder if it helps in animation?)

lastly under your audio change it to 192 and do not convert it to 41
this is a waste of time, imo and the sound is just fine.
... >>>>

I checked the settings before i press 'go', how could the settings change themselves? The same problems exists with True Lies, have you been able to do them if u have them?

Many thanks
Morci
PIII500Mhz, 512MB RAM, SCSI 10K 18GB Disk for dvd2svcd, CDRWin, DaemonTools, PowerDVD XP

[markrb]

Ok it took me a minute to think this through, but I have the answer now.

Your problem is that you did not know how DVD2SVCD works. I will give a quick explanation and tell you what happened.

DVD2SVCD makes a choice as to what bitrate to use for AVG and in this case MAX based on what you choose for the number of CD's and the length of the movie. There are certain numbers that DVD2SVCD does not change based on the video length and number of cd's. One of these is MIN.

In this case your number of cd's was not enough to have the bitrate any higher then 1386 and since DVD2SVCD cannot change the MIN set bitrate what happened with MIn being higher then MAX occured. To do the encode the way you want you have to find a way to make these bitrates work in the right order. Meaning MIN has to be below MAX.

You have 2 choices in this case and trust me use choice 1.

Raise the number of cd's chosen for a particular length of movie. This will allow DVD2SVCD to figure a much higher bitrate.

The other choice is to lower the MIN to a low number, maybe 1000.


In the case of the movie THE ROCK according to IMDB that movie is 136 minutes long. You have this trying to go on two cd's. This will force you to use a very low bitrate. Make the section that has the minutes around 136 at least 3 cd's. This will raise your average and in your case MAX bitrate to around 2150 and thus above you 1900 level. I would also suggest you drop that 1900 to at least 1500 if not 1000. Pay attention to the bitrate tab and always make sure the movies bitrate on the right side next to the length of the movie is above your Min setting.

Sometimes it's nice to have step by step directions and sometimes if you follow them step for step they don't take into account other things and screw you up.

Mark

[pacohaas]

there's always something to be said for the "Use Default" button for the bitrate tab, especially for those just getting started.

[morci]

thank you markrb,
i appreciate your input. A have been successful with all my movie rips so far, i will be much more careful from now on, thanks for your explanation into the inner workings.

Since my pc is not really fast i would like to continue to use the settings above with the NEW modifications (thanks for pointing them out), is there a way to kinda detect that a particular movie will need a particular MIN and MAX bitrate? Sorry if its a dumb question.

Morci
PIII500Mhz, 512MB RAM, SCSI 10K 18GB Disk for dvd2svcd, CDRWin, DaemonTools, PowerDVD XP

[markrb]

Make sure that on the bitrate tab that your movie is always above the Min bitrate. On the far right side there is a range of bitrates. The low value is for the low minutes and the high value for the high number of minutes.

So let's say you movie is 136 minutes long as The Rock is.
If you have the default setup in the top section and only adjust the cd's to 800 you would have this assuming audio of 192:

Between 125 and 163 mins use 3 CD size 800 2410-1800

This means if the movie is 125 minutes you will use 3 cd's and the AVG or in your case MAX bitrate will be set to 2410

If your movie is 163 minutes you will use 3 cd's and the AVG or in your case MAX bitrate will be 1800

The rest of the minutes and bitrates fall between.

In you first way of encoding using this example any time the bitrate drops below 1900 you will have problems. This will happen sometime between 125 and 163 probably closer to 163(actually it is at 156). You can always check what the actual bitrate will be by simply changing the second length to the actual length of the movie. Then the high number will be very close to what will actually be used. Be sure to return it to the original number before you begin encoding. Take the time and learn how this works. There is a very detailed explanation in the Q + A.


Do this and follow step by step and I think you will see what I am talking about. I will use The Rock at 136 minutes as an example.

First make sure you set the audio bitrate to 192 or this won't work since we won't have the same settings
On the bitrate tab hit the default button. This will reset everything to there default settings so we are working from the same page. Wherever it says 740 change it to 800.
Locate where it says Between 125 and 163(5th one down)
Change that 163 to 136 (length of THE ROCK)
Look at the far right where you will see a range of bitrates
It should say 2410-2198
2198 will be the MAX bitrate used for this video
return the 136 to 163 just in case the movie is a minute longer we don't want to be way off.

As long as that max is above your set MIN you are all set.
Definately set you MIN lower 1900 is just too high and you can end up with the wrong number of discs and other problems. Drop it to at least 1000.


Until you compltely understand the bitrate tab and how it works it is best to use a low Min number.

I have no problem with people using 1 pass VBR. You just need to learn how to do it right and the way it was said in that post is very simplified and not a good choice for newbies that don't understand the bitrates.

mark

[morci]

many thanks markrb
i tried your settings as per the example you gave (the rock), i tried it and it worked beautifully. that example you gave really did help and i now know how it all works now.
Thanks very much for your help.

Also, i have read other threads we you have said that TS just takes up 40% more time, which it does. I did another rip withOUT TS and it was done in much shorter time than with it - still using the much quicker method. Im assuming that TS is really needed when a movie has a lot of grain otherwise you wont see much benefit in it.

Thanks again
Morci
PIII500Mhz, 512MB RAM, SCSI 10K 18GB Disk for dvd2svcd, CDRWin, DaemonTools, PowerDVD XP