RealVideo 9 codec

[31 Flavas]

Dunno how "capable" this forum thinks RealNetwork's RealVideo codec is but version 9 codec and encoder were just released along with some samples on realnetworks.com.

One of the samples is a movie trailer at 640x480 @ 786k @ 24fps. It 2:24 long, 13.4 meg big. How does that compair to divix?

-Thanks

[outlyer]

This information is useless to compare against other codecs, for bitrate the file should have a known size (if the codec has not a very bad prediction...).

I guess some moderators will be "no happy" seeing me explaining this here but...

For instance,
2:24s = 144s

786kbps * 144s = 113184 kb

and as 1KB = 8kb

113184 kb / 8(kb/KB) = 14148 KB

14148KB = 13.81MB

The numbers you give doesn't mean anything related to quality, ANY bitrate based codec will fit, more or less, this numbers. You'll have to compare the same scene encoded by the two codecs with the same numbers to be able to compare.

Have a look at Doom9's articles and look for codec comparisons.

ANyway, I guess most of the people here will have not a lot of trust on Real's codecs, just guessing, at least that's what I feel.

[Neo Neko]

I have not played with RV9. But if I am not mistaken they licensed VP4 for use with their latest version. If it is similar to VP3 though you will have to convert you numbers to get equal bitrate comparrisons. VP3 bitrate is entered in Kilo Bytes per second instead of Kilo Bits per second like most everyone else. Either way I will have to give it a look.

[outlyer]

Originally posted by Neo Neko
I have not played with RV9. But if I am not mistaken they licensed VP4 for use with their latest version. If it is similar to VP3 though you will have to convert you numbers to get equal bitrate comparrisons. VP3 bitrate is entered in Kilo Bytes per second instead of Kilo Bits per second like most everyone else. Either way I will have to give it a look.

Well, given numbers almost fit to theoretical (if misspelled this, sure :) ) ones so it seems that it uses kilobits (786KB are 6288Kb so...)

[Antimon]

Well if it's using vp4, then divix is supiorior.

[31 Flavas]

Wow, ok, i'm impressed with RV9. I just encoded an episode of an anime I have on dvd at 640x480 @ 750k VBR (two pass) and it is literally almost the same as the DVD. The picture is just a tiny bit soft and during the ending credits where all that text is scrolling up the screen there is noticable mosquieto noise / crap around the text edges. But, the opening and content of the show are practicly flawless AT FULL SCREEN :D

But then again, I guess divix5 as been the same for better for a lot longer now.....

Anyway, i'm happy with RV9 and I don't have to dick around with Flask or Vdub or LAME, anymore. RV9 Does everything by itself: video, audio, and multiplexing. All I have to do is supply the avs file and content.

RV9, though, at the moment (it is in "preview") is command line only. It is well documented though so even a total n00b like me was able to figure it out.

Use though, whatever floats your boat. I'm not looking for flames. Just posting what I found.

-Flavas

[ammer]

For ease of use, try vidomi to do all the parts in the encoding. It encodes with divx3,4,5 + xvid or choosable codec. Easy to use for noobs.

[Razorblade2000]

Where can I download this command line version???

[Razorblade2000]

...got it...

[Neo Neko]

When it comes to current streaming solutions I much prefer Real Networks over Windows Media. They both have their problems believe me. But at least Real Networks is willing to play with everyone. With Windows Media there is little penetration outside of Windows Oddly or purposefully enough. The main problem with real in the past has been that there player is a bit bulky and likes to monopolise things a bit. But all that can be alleviated after the fact. But when it comes to cross platform or cross OS support no one has beat Real. Apple would be in second with Microsoft at best a dissapointing third. And if this is the VP4 technology which I am prety sure it is we should see some good things. VP3 was and VP4 should be excelent for streaming at low bitrates. MPEG4 can out perform the VP codecs at medium to high bit rates. But the VP codecs shine at low bitrates. Their sweet spot is far below where Divx or any other current MPEG4 codec dare to tread at this point.

As was mentioned the VP codecs also seem to do better with animation even if they soften the details a bit. But unless VP4 has been sped up considerably over VP3 I could not justify the time expense. On the faster encode settings if I remember right VP3 could hit about 5 to 7fps on an encode. On the high quality encode settings it was 2 to 3fps. This on an Anthlon XP 1600+! For any lengthy piece of material it would have me pulling my hair out. For those that have tried it what speeds are you getting on encode?

[Dali Lama]

Originally posted by Neo Neko
For those that have tried it what speeds are you getting on encode?

I am getting something around 7fps. I know this by doing an Xvid 2 Pass encode at 15fps (approx 7 min.) and RV9 takes about double the time.

I have a Duron 900. 640x288 Res.

Dali

[31 Flavas]

Regarding the encoding speed of RV9...

I just encoded only the intro of the anime I encoded last night. It is a 1:33s long clip (640x480 @ 24fps) and took 3:45-46s per pass to encode. So that's what maybe 9-10 fps (per pass)? I suck at base 60 so correct me if i'm wrong...

I have a athlon xp 1700+ and this was my encode string.

producer -i C:\temp\gasaraki01intro.avs -o C:\temp\gasaraki01intro.rmvb -ad
"C:\Program Files\Real\RealSystem Producer 9\audiences\750k VBR Download.rpad" -vm sharp

[nordloewe]

btw, isn't it better to use 15fps for cartoons??? i mean, i know that regular cartoons are originaly made at this FPS and then telecined to be showed on TV. is it the case for anime as well? i always wondered that....

another question: has anyone tried to frameserve from AVIUtil or VirtualDub to the new RV9? from VDub it doesn't work at all! from AVIUtil i'm only getting the sound.... the curious thing is that, when frameserving to RealProducer 8 Plus, everything goes right! so i'm still stuck with the old RV8 for now. hopefully, the final version of RV9 (with GUI) will also handle frameserving correctly here.

one note: my WMP has never been able to play my frameserved files from VDub. but that hasn't ever obstructed RealProducer 8 Plus of doing its job.... (!) quite strange, huh?

--
nordloewe

[outlyer]

Originally posted by nordloewe
btw, isn't it better to use 15fps for cartoons??? i mean, i know that regular cartoons are originaly made at this FPS and then telecined to be showed on TV. is it the case for anime as well? i always wondered that....

I really can't give you an answer as I didn't know that but you can guess it if you play with the video. If you openit in VirtualDub for instance and play it frame by frame, you should notice repeated frames if it's originally in a lower framerate or at least I think it should work. I've used this method when using avisynth and a wmv (as avisynth usually can't guess the framerate of this kind of vids) and it worked for me (in this particular case I set the framerate in the avisynth script to 29.970 and then I do the trick, if it's for instance 15fps, there'll be aprox. two frames for each one).

I hope you understand me :P

[RadicalEd]

24 fps is the original framerate of telecined material, including most cartoons and almost all anime (blast you evangelion... why must you be so good and yet such a pain to encode ><). I've never heard of 15 fps being telecined into 29.97, I'm not even sure if this is possible. Much of the anime you download will be 15fps to save bits but it never originates at that rate. 24fps progressive and 29.97 interlaced are the two flavors that anime will come in (and sometimes they come in both at the same time.. another topic for another thread. Oh yea, and don't even start to ask about those blasted 60fps computer animated jobs..). So there ya have it nordloewe, you're 9 fps smarter ;)

[nordloewe]

well, i have always heard (since i was a kid) that cartoons are made using individual cells that are photographed to create the motion. maybe it's not only 15 photos per sec, but certainly it's not 24 either. take a look at the link below and come to your own conclusions. if anyone here has anything else to add to this subject, please, do so. i'm quite curious! saving bitrate on unecessary frames is everybody's goal.

and if the cartoons online were really missing 9 of each sec, they would suck for having lousy motion, not for having macroblocks, which is usually their problem.

Here's how they make a cartoon:
http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/1999/11/09/p18s1.htm

[RadicalEd]

"It takes 16 pictures to make one second of an animated TV cartoon. That's 5,720 images in an 11-minute cartoon."

11 minutes at 16 fps would be 10,560 pictures, not 5,720.
That there shows how consistant that site is.

Nup, any and all anime that you can find on VHS, DVD, or cable is no doubt either 23.976 fps progressive telecined to 29.97, or naturally 29.97 interlaced (although we dont like those, interlacing is much too messy). To convert 16 fps to 24 fps, one frame would have to be repeated every 3 frames, and mixing that in on a field based level on top of the normal 24 > 30 telecine would make a real big mess for both an interlaced and a progressive display.

[LotionBoy]

To jump in here as an animation student. The timing of animation is something that can really vary from source to source.

First, almost all CG is done at 24 fps. If it needs to go to video, a 3:2 pulldown is done to make it 29.97. The pulldown gives it a very 'film' look that people seem to respond to. For scenes with very fast motion that can cause strobing after a pulldown, CG is rendered at 60 fps and converted to 29.97 interlaced (trying to rendered out interlaced video at 30 or 29.97 fps doesn't work really well. 60 works much better). So CG is pretty simple.
Traditional animation is much trickier. pretty much all disney stuff and the classic warners brothers stuff is all done on 1's (meaning that 1 frame = 1 drawing). In these cases, every frame is different. A lot of independant and lower-budget stuff is done on 2's (which means 1 drawing = 2 frames). This halves the amount of work that needs to be done on the cartoon, something which is really important when you're working low-budget or by yourself. People also shoot animation on 3's and 4's. Each time you increase the number of frames a drawing stands in for, you are making the motion mroe jerky, but on slow motions, it isn't really noticeable. Now there are lots of other things that go on too. There is the classic anime drawing slide, where on drawing can be used for several second with a flashing background behind it. However, something like this is usually shot on 3's or 4's, since the only real motion in the scene is the background and you don't want to cycle that too fast or it can cause popping in the image.
Now, the way a lot of productions work is that they mix 1's, 2's, 3's, and 4's together. 2's for fast action, 3's for slower action, 4's for basically no movement, and 1's only when absolutely necessary. This means there is no set formula for how you can kill the fps on a cartoon becase the frequency of drawing is not constant.
If you know for sure what the rate of the animation is, then you can decimate without a problem. But if the source is good enough, then there is no need to do even that. Consider an animation shot on 2's. Every other frame is exactly the same as the one before. What info do you need to save for that frame. None. Because nothing has changed. Of course, this assumes a perfect source, which never happens. But on a good enough source, there shouldn't be huge savings when you decimate.
I prefer my animation at 24 or 25 or 29.97 fps, because it looks best that way. just my 2 cents.

LotionBoy

[fluor]

RealVideo 9 is only VP4.

"... VP4 Encoder for Real – On2’s encoder software now encodes VP4 with AVC audio files that are supported in RealPlayer with On2’s Real VP4 plug-in. ..."

Here's the full article:

http://www.on2.com/pressreleases.php3?qs1=vp4_certified_by_realnetworks

[Razorblade2000]

Could someone write a GUI...

Or tell me how to execute files in Delphi (I know... I'm soooooo lame :( )

[Razorblade2000]

How do you get your anime DVDs into real media format???

Also:
Rip->create .d2v->open in tmpeg, resize and save as .tpr->Vfapi to make avi incl audio->encode???????

Or is there an easier solution???

[Latexxx]

Originally posted by fluor
RealVideo 9 is only VP4.

"... VP4 Encoder for Real – On2’s encoder software now encodes VP4 with AVC audio files that are supported in RealPlayer with On2’s Real VP4 plug-in. ..."

Here's the full article:

http://www.on2.com/pressreleases.php3?qs1=vp4_certified_by_realnetworks

It says plug-in.

[atracus]

Originally posted by Razorblade2000

Or is there an easier solution???

@razor, this is my way 2 go:

1. DVD2AVI for creation of .d2v and .ac3

2. BeSweet for creation of a .wav out of the -ac3, remember: downsample Dolby Surround (if any) and to 44k frequency (otherwise RV9 will do it, in any case, but at your risk in terms of qty!)

3. GordianKnot Step 1: BITRATE: the bitrate is exactly as DivX4 without sound, then add "000" and write it down at the top of the audience file u want 2 use, at the XML tag named "avgBitrate type". Here u may find a sample audience file I used for 1072kbits total streaming (audio + video) with 96k Surround audio:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<audience>
<avgBitrate type="uint">1072000</avgBitrate>
<maxBitrate type="uint">4000000</maxBitrate>
<streams>
<videoStream>
<pluginName type="string">rn-videocodec-realvideo</pluginName>
<codecName type="string">rv9</codecName>
<encodingType type="string">vbrBitrate</encodingType>
<quality type="uint">92</quality>
<maxStartupLatency type="double">4</maxStartupLatency>
<maxFrameRate type="double">25</maxFrameRate>
<maxKeyFrameInterval type="double">12</maxKeyFrameInterval>
<enableLossProtection type="bool">false</enableLossProtection>
</videoStream>
<audioStream>
<pluginName type="string">rn-audiocodec-realaudio</pluginName>
<codecName type="string">cook</codecName>
<codecFlavor type="uint">28</codecFlavor>
<streamContext type="bag">
<presentationType type="string">audio-video</presentationType>
<audioMode type="string">music</audioMode>
</streamContext>
</audioStream>
</streams>
</audience>


4. GordianKnot Step 2: for avs production, retouch the .avs as to include:

video=mpeg2source("moviename.d2v")
audio=wavsource("moviename.wav")
audiodub(video,audio)

5. if u want subtitles, rip them with Subrip into a .sub (version2) format, then include in .avs the rows:

LoadPlugin("TextSub.vdf")
# SUBTITLES
TextSub("moviename.sub")

...you'll find textsub.vdf in the Vobsub package, u just have to drop it in the same folder as the .avs

6. open a char console, and type:

producer -i moviename.avs -ad audiencefilename -vm sharp

and wait consistently... on my athlon/1GB i get ab. 8fps for 1st pass, a little faster for the second (just my feeling, I didn't use a chrono to take the times..:!)


This way, I got really _impressive_ results with 3 full-length movies I tried out, and comparing frame-by-frame with the corresponding DivX5 2-pass I have no doubts RV9 looks superior in details and in "hiding" the blocky effects on plain colour surfaces and smoky/foggy areas.... that's typical from a codec known for its attitude to blur images, but you should check the sharpness of details as well to have your OWN final judgement.

As Doom9 stated in his last codecs comparison, between DivX and VP4 tere is "no clear winner".... do I remember well...? and... is RV9 really VP4 or do I need a plugin? :)))

Let us have your thoughts to share!

cya

[atx]

[Razorblade2000]

Why does everybody call me Razor??? This does even sound dumb for german ears... Razorblade sounds quite nice and the meaning is OK... but Razor??????
:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:


...

[Razorblade2000]

but thanks for the answer...

[atracus]

ok razorBlade2000 ok ... but ... next time why dont u choose a shortest nick, eh? :D :D :D

Let's address this: why is everyone so definitely skeptical about this codec? I have no personal interest in Real, I just tried as everyone else can do, if they don't have anything better to do :)

Just post your results, noone knows if even Doom9 will take it seriously (he posted in another thread that he'll be prob doing a thorough test of the codec, let's stay and see if a Guide may see the light.... my collection of hints is open to huuuge improvements).

Maybe someone less "qualitative" than me, as he is, may help out.

bye

[atx]

[Latexxx]

Maybe you should check the streaming samples from http://www.realnetworks.com/solutions/leadership/realvideo.html even the 56k samples looks good.

[atracus]

Originally posted by Latexxx
Maybe you should check the streaming samples from http://www.realnetworks.com/solutions/leadership/realvideo.html even the 56k samples looks good.

done man, and that' smainly why I'm experimenting with this set of codecs.

Sony provided the Surround technology (http://www.powerpage.org/story.lasso?newsID=9276), as it seems from this news, and from the link you included (http://www.realnetworks.com/solutions/leadership/realvideo.html)it might also include 5+1 streams as well.

For your eyes and ears only.. ;)

bye
[atx]

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by Razorblade2000
Rip->create .d2v->open in tmpeg, resize and save as .tpr->Vfapi to make avi incl audio->encode???????

What?! Don't use tmpg or gordianknot they're both stupid :devil: Just rip the dvd, make the .d2v using DVD2AVI, and write yourself an .avs file. You will need avisynth, mpeg2dec, decomb (if your material is interlaced), and vobsub (if you want to do burned in subtitles). I use DVD2AVI to get the .wav audio, but use what ever floats your boat.

This is what is in my .avs

LoadPlugin("C:\Temp\mpeg2dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Temp\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINNT\System32\vobsub.dll")
video=mpeg2source("C:\Temp\gasaraki01.d2v")
audio=wavsource("C:\Temp\gasaraki01.wav")
audiodub(video,audio)
Telecide(guide=1,gthresh=50,chroma=true,threshold=30)
Decimate(cycle=5)
VobSub("C:\Temp\output2")
BiCubicResize(640,480)
ConvertToRGB

Open up a command prompt window and launch RP9. The input file is the .avs file also make sure to use -vm sharp and encode at 750k VBR download. I posted my RP9 command prompt line in this thread already (first page).

RAZOR :devil: :devil: :devil: :p

-Flavas

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by atracus
Sony provided the Surround technology (http://www.powerpage.org/story.lasso?newsID=9276)

That powerpage article is stupid and written by a moron. I'll just leave it at that :)

-Flavas

[teplun]

I encoded a movie with RealVideo9 and made .avs with GKnot. Everything worked fine but the audio was not sync with the video. How can I delay the audio about 200 ms by editing the avisynth script?

[Peters]

Originally posted by 31 Flavas

This is what is in my .avs

LoadPlugin("C:\Temp\mpeg2dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Temp\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINNT\System32\vobsub.dll")
video=mpeg2source("C:\Temp\gasaraki01.d2v")
audio=wavsource("C:\Temp\gasaraki01.wav")
audiodub(video,audio)
Telecide(guide=1,gthresh=50,chroma=true,threshold=30)
Decimate(cycle=5)
VobSub("C:\Temp\output2")
BiCubicResize(640,480)
ConvertToRGB

-Flavas

hem, why loosing time with ConvertToRGB? :confused:

[The People's Elbow]

31 Flavas wrote:Don't use tmpg or gordianknot they're both stupid
- Would you tell me what is stupid about GKnot? I could write those nasty avs scripts by myself, either, but its really faster with GKnot and by the way: How do you crop away the borders without the GKnot preview?

PS: The last line in your avs script is useless and makes the encoding slower - one of the pros of avs is the speed increase which is mainly gained through getting around the YUY2TORGB conversion that VDub performes (if some filters are enabled).

PPS: The Real8 Video Codec already was very good for anime content, especially at low bitrates (300-600Kb) and the new one seems to even have improved!

greetz, Elbow!

[atracus]

Originally posted by teplun
How can I delay the audio about 200 ms by editing the avisynth script?

If you start from the original ac3 just use BeSweetGui for conversion to .wav audio, and on the last form (BeSweet pushbutton), in the frame named "Overall Track Adjustements" flag the "Set Delay to" mark, entering the right amount of msecs (from the DVD2AVI delay, eventually with a leading minus sign).

If you start from other formats (mp3,...) just output a .wav and edit it with CoolEdit or Sound Forge to add / subtract silence at the beginning.

Hope it helps!

Btw, my 2 last rips with RV9 were impressive!, after 91 DivX I think I'm switching to Real... as long as it's preview=free!

bye all

[atx]

[Latexxx]

Converting/editing realmedia is hard and realplayer takes too much processing power with my 500 MHz Pentium III

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by Peters


hem, why loosing time with ConvertToRGB? :confused:

I do not think that RP9 supports YUY2. At least RP8.5 didn't. So I have to ConvertToRGB unless i want bandy off color rips :)

I'm encoding anime right now so I can not check at the moment. But I will check later today.

or else if there is a way (using RM), educate me.

-flavas

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by atracus

Btw, my 2 last rips with RV9 were impressive!, after 91 DivX I think I'm switching to Real... as long as it's preview=free!

As far as I can tell, RP9 preview is fully functional. They also included rmeditor to edit your files afterwards.

It probably will be that the RP9 GUI will be limited again, like RP8.5 "basic".

So just make sure you keep your copy of 'preview'.

-flavas

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by The People's Elbow

Would you tell me what is stupid about GKnot? I could write those nasty avs scripts by myself, either, but its really faster with GKnot and by the way: How do you crop away the borders without the GKnot preview?FrontPage is to HTML as GKnot is to AVS. They both get the job done, but write nasty (bloated) code. I'll contiune to use GKnot to get the croping info, but use it to generate my avs? no way!

-flavas

[atracus]

Originally posted by 31 Flavas


As far as I can tell, RP9 preview is fully functional. They also included rmeditor to edit your files afterwards.


Yeah, I confirm that the RV9 is (for what I've tested) fully functional. rmeditor, instead, can't cut a .rmvb at a certain point in time before the movie-end, but it may possibly depend on my setup. Did anyone succeed to cut a rv9 movie successfully, with the flag "-e 00:00:00:00.000" ?


@31 Flavas:

I didn't ConvertToRGB in my 4 movie-rips, and the colors look OK to me. I'll do a check tomorrow on a small sample, in order to compare "with" and "without" rips. I'll let you know.

bye

[atx]

[nordloewe]

Originally posted by atracus

Yeah, I confirm that the RV9 is (for what I've tested) fully functional. rmeditor, instead, can't cut a .rmvb at a certain point in time before the movie-end, but it may possibly depend on my setup. Did anyone succeed to cut a rv9 movie successfully, with the flag "-e 00:00:00:00.000" ?

try to find RealProducer 8 Plus online. you can use its RealMedia Editor to cut and tag RV9 files as well. i find it an easier approach cause you can actually "see" where you are cutting! but here in my system i'm being forced to rename my files from RMVB to RM in order to open them in RMEditor 8. just an idea.

i'm having a problem here. i can't encode "Transformers, The Movie". RP9 crashed 3x already (after hours of work). i believe the problem is that my Win2K default TEMP directory is located in a tight drive.... i changed a few settings in the system to move it to other partition and, just in case, i also altered the TEMP string in my PRODUCER.PREF file. i'll try a new encode tonight, but if doesn't work, i won't know what else to do.... :(

does anyone have any suggestions? my AVS plays normally in WMP6.4.

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by atracus


Yeah, I confirm that the RV9 is (for what I've tested) fully functional. rmeditor, instead, can't cut a .rmvb at a certain point in time before the movie-end, but it may possibly depend on my setup. Did anyone succeed to cut a rv9 movie successfully, with the flag "-e 00:00:00:00.000" ?I don't understand what you are trying to do...

i've use rmeditor to chop off 30 seconds from the beginning of a clip.


I didn't ConvertToRGB in my 4 movie-rips, and the colors look OK to me. I'll do a check tomorrow on a small sample, in order to compare "with" and "without" rips. I'll let you know.[/B]

I definatly stand corrected here!

Just made my own clip without ConvertToRGB. Thank you!!!

-Flavas

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by nordloewe
i'm having a problem here. i can't encode "Transformers, The Movie". RP9 crashed 3x already (after hours of work). i believe the problem is that my Win2K default TEMP directory is located in a tight drive....I've encoded up to an hour and fourty minutes so far without a problem. Then again, I don't have a space issue...

Are you using dvd2avi and avisynch?

-flavas

[nordloewe]

Originally posted by 31 Flavas

I've encoded up to an hour and fourty minutes so far without a problem. Then again, I don't have a space issue...
Are you using dvd2avi and avisynch?

well, i don't have a real space problem. i have a 28Gb HD but the system partition is only 2Gb. :p i thought about using PartitionMagic to fix that, but i have Win98 (that i haven't used for the past 2 years!) set as an alternate boot. i believe that changing the size of partitions from inside one of the OSs, will mess up with the other one.... someday, when i'm not lazying around, i'll format the whole thing, re-arrange my space and install Win2K only. and yes, i'm using DVD2AVI and Avisynch. i'll try encoding again tonight and see if the new roomy TEMP will work. hope so!

any hints to speed up the encoding? i'm using AVISynch's Bilinear resizing & SmartDeinterlace in my procedure. should i use RP9's filters to do these jobs, instead?

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by nordloewe

any hints to speed up the encoding? i'm using AVISynch's Bilinear resizing & SmartDeinterlace in my procedure. should i use RP9's filters to do these jobs, instead? Make sure you are using mpeg2dec and keeping the video in YUY2 (RP9 supports YUY2). I use decomb to do the deinterlacing (rather than smartdeinterlace() ). It's better and probably faster.

Bicubicresize() will give a better picture, but it is slower.

Other than that I dunno what to say about your crashing problem.

-flavas

[nordloewe]

Originally posted by 31 Flavas

Make sure you are using mpeg2dec and keeping the video in YUY2 (RP9 supports YUY2). I use decomb to do the deinterlacing (rather than smartdeinterlace() ). It's better and probably faster.

how to NOT keep the video on YUY9? there would be a color conversion only if i used a script to perform it, right? there goes my AVS:

LoadPlugin("e:\win2k\GORDIA~1\mpeg2dec.dll")
video=mpeg2source("TF.d2v").BilinearResize(480,360)
audio=wavsource("TF.wav")
audiodub(video,audio)
SmartDeinterlace(2,15,true,true,true)

how to use Decomb for the de-interlacing?

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by nordloewe

how to NOT keep the video on YUY9? there would be a color conversion only if i used a script to perform it, right?Right, as long as you don't have ConvertToRGB your ok.

how to use Decomb for the de-interlacing? Doom9 has it in his download section. Main advantage of it is that it will get rid of the judder caused by deinterlacing. Doom also wrote a guide to decomb http://www.doom9.org/decomb.htm

-Flavas

[oddball]

What I am interested to know is how well it fares on audio. The video may be nice but if the audio is only up to par with 128k MP3 then it's not that great IMO.

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by oddball

The video may be nice but if the audio is only up to par with 128k MP3 then it's not that great IMO. I can not comment on this because I bash anyone who would spend X hundered dollars per foot for "mysitcally better" video and audio cable. (i.e. anyone who buys Monster or "BetterCable")

Godforbid, anyone discuss or tell me about "rainbow foil"

-Flavas

[oddball]

Or green marker pen around the edge of CD's? ;)

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by oddball
Or green marker pen around the edge of CD's? ;) For the 'ultimate' in audio "mystisism" go here:

http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/qrfqc/qrfqc.html

Look at the 'other' products they sell. Then take a look at their price list :)

http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/priceus.html

-flavas