x Doom9: Divx5 with Gnot could be misleading

[fditrani]

Hi Doom9,
I carefully read the guide for Divx5 using Gnot and maybe, for people like me not so expert on the matter, it could be misleading when it describes Frameserving procedures with Vdub.
I got crazy when, after the .avs file was generated, I tried to encode video using frameserving in Vdub.
Only now I've understood taht the avs file itself frameserves Vdub for video encoding.
If you agree and have time, that part of the guide could be updated!!

Thanks

Fausto

[Doom9]

not sure if I follow.. how about making the 2nd last sentence before step8 (in www.doom9.org/gknot-audio.htm) like this:

Make sure No Trim is selected, then press Save and select a name for your Avisynth file. This will create an Avisynth frameserving file that you're going to load into VirtualDub for video encoding later on.

Is this what you meant?

[fditrani]

Hi Doom9,
in the part of the guide related to Virtualdub procedures is described how to install the frameserver support and how to start the frameserver; it seems that you have to follow that procedure to frameserve Virtualdub; in reality the avs file acts as frameserver....
....so it is enough to load the avs file into Virtualdub, configure the video encoding and go!

Thanks for the guide anyway!

Fausto

[fditrani]

I refer to this part of the guide

www.doom9.org/virtualdub_procedures.htm#mp3mux (http://www.doom9.org/virtualdub_procedures.htm#mp3mux)

Fausto

[Head Hunter]

What he is talking about there is getting VirtualDub to act as a frameserver to work in another encoder, not how to accept an AVS frameserved file. Nowhere in the guide does it lead to the installing the frameserver anyway.

[Doom9]

virtualdub_procedures.htm is a collection of 13 virtualdub related guide fragments... I already have 250 html documents.. putting each fragment onto a separate page would once again increase the workload when something has to be updated. How hard is it to only read the paragraph entitled Multiplexing AVI and MP3 and then press the BACK button at the appropriate position and not scroll up and read a paragraph that has a completely different title which has zero relation whatsoever to the guide at hand? the divx5 (and other) guides all use virtualdub_procedures and most people get the point and read what they're supposed to. Don't you start wondering if you read something that has nothing to do with what the main guide tells you you're about to do? Doesn't that ring a bell and doesn't seeing a "back" link encourage you to go back?

why on earth would you you want to frameserve if you've already encoded your video? I you use a bit of common sense you shouldn't have any problem navigating that guide

[fditrani]

Hi Doom9,
I didn't want to hurt you, I just wanted to point out something that was not clear to me...that's all!
If you print the guide there no back button to press anyway :D :D !
My common sense drove me to proceed loading the avs file into Vdub and successfully encode the movie!

Thank you

Fausto

[Doom9]

my guides are not meant for printing but to be read onscreen.. it would be a huge mess to put everything on one page.. if you ever run a site that is as big as mine I think you'll understand why certain things are done in a way that is optimized for manageability and that requires a little extra thinking on part of the reader.

[fditrani]

Never seen an administrator so proud of himself.....
......but it always exists something better!!!

By Doom9

Matrix2

[Doom9]

maybe we started off on the wrong foot. So let's see.. do you have any experience in document management? I obviously don't... my page just has been growing and growing and I try to keep up with it by splitting up documents when they can be re-used and putting other parts together to make it more easy to manage. So, if you know of a way to make things better for the user while not making my job a lot harder (you can put everything in one flow if you have a very limited amount of guides without options, I had that in the beginning but as the page kept growing it was getting too hard to keep everything updated properly.. just ask some people who've been around since the beginning.. when I had divx guides for various flask versions I always missed some details when updating and it was generally a huge mess) or even to improve the situation for both readers and for me then I'd be happy to hear it.

[theReal]

I agree with Doom9 - constantly updating websites can be very hard. You can't memorize word by word what is written on dozens of pages full of information, so you just have to keep it as easy as possible for the admin (or you'd have to hire additional admins, but that's not an option for a non-commercial site)

[fditrani]

Hello guys, I don't want to criticize any work...I know how difficult can be to admin a web site and I have to admit that Doom9 site is very very good!
But you (Doom9) should even try to understand who wants to learn how to make things! I just had a problem with the procedure and I tried to explain how it mislead me! That's all!!

Fausto

[oddball]

Some folks should learn when to shut up :D

[fditrani]

You right guy! It's time to stop this!

Bye

Fausto

[Doom9]

But you (Doom9) should even try to understand who wants to learn how to make things! I just had a problem with the procedure and I tried to explain how it mislead me! that is the whole problem.. I cannot know what goes on into your brain when you read further than the intended paragraph so you have to tell me why you would go on reading and what makes you think you have to go on reading. A very small percentage of people does not get my navigation stucture but so far nobody has been able to tell me exactly why they ended up reading too much on that virtualdub procedure page. I find it very obvious that if there's a back link you have to click on it, especially since the next paragraph starts with a heading that has nothing to do with the task at hand plus the main guide actually tells you what you're going to do in each step which should be a further indication as when to return to the main document. So.. unless you can tell me exactly what made you read more than the intended paragraph I cannot make any changes to help you and other people having problems with my site navigation.

And another comment about printing... A PC screen and a regular paper (be it US letter or A4) have fundamentally different dimensions.. you create websites having a pc monitor in mind and not a printer. Most websites are not at all printer friendly because making it printer friendly would mean that you have to sacrifice a lot of design freedom. Since I create my html pages for people having a pc monitor of a resolution of 1024x786 or above this is fundamentally incompatible with printers and one of the reasons people have been asking for PDFs. Afaik the PDFs are printer friendly but I did not do them (haven't even seen them) and it is out of my control if they contain too much info for a certain procedure. It may be very timeconsuming to put all guide fragments that belong to a guide together into a single PDF so that there's a single flow of text rather than the structure of many simple sub-guides as I have it on my site.