smart ripper really slow

[wiggy]

Hi,

Just installed w2k for the ntfs side of things.

Now when I go to use smart ripper, where it use to take 15 to 20 minutes running 98.

It now takes between 1 and 1 and a half hours to rip.

What is going on, please help.

Cheers Wiggy.:(

[ookzDVD]

Lots of problems,
please describe your hardware more detail!
dvd-drive (speed/type/brand) ?
chipset (VIA/SIS/ALI/Intel/AMD) or mainboard (type/brand) ?
IDE driver ?

[Swede]

Check your DMA settings.

[metrum_eng]

Originally posted by Swede
Check your DMA settings.

I’m curious to know if this helped any with the ripping speed? The reason I am asking is, it usually only takes me approx- 15 minutes to rip a DVD while using smart-ripper. I have a PIII 900MHz system with 256mb ram, 40gig, 32mb 3d video card, 12X speed DVD rom, yadayadayada…

Just today I was trying to teach my friend how to rip dvd’s on his system, which is (from what I know) a PIII 450MHz system with over 500MB ram, not sure what else he has in it, but I do know it’s about 1 ½ year old system. When I started the ripping process it was only going "1x speed" tops. VERY SLOW in comparison to my system, with the same dvd movie that started to rip at 5.5x speed.

So I’m wonder since his system is only 450MHz, will that make a huge difference? And I didn’t even think to check the DMA settings. Not sure what his DVD rom is, but it's from Gateway, about 1.5 years old.

Any feedback would be helpful, and sorry if I didn’t give sufficient info, that is all I know for now.

[ookzDVD]

@ metrum_eng

I think P3-450 is enough for ripping the DVD.

DVD-ROM drive is the first thing you should care,
Toshiba limit the ripping speed 2x for encrypted DVD,
but not for unencrypted DVD (free region).
I'm using Pioneer 16x and it's ripping @10-12x.

Second thing is your IDE driver since mostly DVD come
with IDE. This driver come with the motherboard,
depend on the chipset which it used, Intel/VIA/ALI/AMD/SIS ?
DMA/PIO could be configured from this driver, some people
said that DMA is better than PIO.

3rd thing is Master/Slave, I always plug my DVD-ROM in the Master
of my Secondary IDE controller since the Primary is used by
HD, LOL.

Hope it may help.

[windtrader]

Which model of Pioneer player do you have?

[ookzDVD]

@ windtrader,

I'm using Pioneer 106s.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/Pioneer/CDA/Industrial/IndustrialProductDetails/0,1444,1742,00.html

[TRILIGHT]

ookzDVD...

Are you saying that you can rip at 10X+ on that 106S Pioneer drive on a dual-layered CSS encrypted disc? I have the Pioneer DVR-104 burner and it will never rip faster than 2X! If you are getting around 10X on that drive on many discs, please let me know. I'll order one today! :)

[ookzDVD]

@TRILIGHT,


DVD-ROM drive is the first thing you should care,
Toshiba limit the ripping speed 2x for encrypted DVD,
but not for unencrypted DVD (free region).
I'm using Pioneer 16x and it's ripping @10-12x.


No, It's for region-free DVD.
For CSS region-1, I usually rip @ 6x-7x.

[rhino1]

I think Swede has your answer (although there are many good ideas here which can help you). Win2k does not automatically set new DVD/CD Drives to use DMA even though you may have set it in the BIOS. I was also ripping at a very slow speed (somewhere around 1.3x with SmartRipper). After blaming it on my network, etc., I finally checked the DMA setting. It was using PIO instead of DMA. I changed it and I now rip at the max for the Pioneer A03 (which is about 2x). It now takes about 20 minutes to rip a DVD versus the 45-60 it took before. Not blazing speed, ok, but better than it was.

[TRILIGHT]

Originally posted by ookzDVD
No, It's for region-free DVD.
For CSS region-1, I usually rip @ 6x-7x.

Hell, even at 6-7X, that's a huge performance increase over the 2X I get with the 104. I'm definitely going to pick one up. It's a total pain having to wait 30 minutes when I could be getting it done in 10! Thanks for the info, ookzDVD!

[metrum_eng]

Just a follow up, I told my friend to check to see if his DMA settings were checked and his response was:
“I didn't install the dvd myself it came preinstalled. I did find the
DMA
box, but it wasn't checked. When i tried to put a check in the box i
got a
message that i didn't have the hardware to support it.”

I’m wondering what he means by didn’t have the HW to support it?

Any suggestions would be helpful.
Regards

[Asmodian]

I also have the Pioneer 106s and have noticed that it rips (both encryped and not) 1 layer disks at ~10x (up to 14x! at the edge)and 2 layer disk at, simmlar to what ookzDVD got, 6-8x. I have seen a few disks that it only ripped at 4-6x though. This is using DMA on my XP1600 oc to 1.5Ghz (bus at 150) 512Ram, 80Gb maxtor, on a kt266a board (using the via ide), both cdrom and hd masters. I noticed a very small drop in speed when using PIO over DMA but a large increase in CPU usage (which makes a lot of sense).

@metrum_eng
The DVD drive does have to support DMA modes, what mode does the bios say the drive is using in the summary screen durring boot? You could also go into bios and see if DMA is enabled/disabled for that drive.

[metrum_eng]

Originally posted by Asmodian


@metrum_eng
The DVD drive does have to support DMA modes, what mode does the bios say the drive is using in the summary screen durring boot? You could also go into bios and see if DMA is enabled/disabled for that drive.

I'll have to see what mode it says during boot the next time I go to his house. But since his DMA box isn't checked, no wonder it was only ripping at 1x speed (VERY SLOW).

I'm not sure how to go into the BIOS to change the settings? On windows 98 is it RUN, msconfig?

I was hoping it could be as simple as just putting a check in the DMA box in the dvdrom properties? Since it's his comp, I really don't wana mess to much with his computer, but I did want to teach him how to rip at a decent ripping speed, as I can on my computer.

Regards

[Asmodian]

I am not sure how to go into BIOS on his gateway; the computer should give a message immediately after turning on about hitting F1/F2/del or something to go into setup/BIOS/config/something. Though at 1.5 years old I would not be surprised if the drive just did not support DMA.

[areohbee]

I have long been having troubles with SmartRipper performance and reliability which I have just solved. First off, I am running WinXP, w/Sony-DVD, Athlon CPU. My problem was: when I ran SmartRipper (v2.40 or 2.41, or Clad-DVD/XP) the drive speed was reported at 1x to 2x and my UPS would chirp and sqwak, and sometimes the decrypter would stall and the DVD-drive was still activated. My solution was (and I confess I may not believe it if you were telling it to me!) to Load a video into VirtualDub and encode it WHILE running the decryption. My rips are now 10x faster and work every time. I have no idea why this is so, but is tried and true for me - I just now verified that any CPU hungry app running while decrypting will do the trick. I can not explain nor deny the results! Let me know if this works for you!!

[quickstang45]

I was having the same problem. I reformatted my computer and switched things around. I had to put my DVD as slave and my CD-RW as my master. I don't know if its the same on 2000 but on XP I had to go to Device Manager ->Right Click IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers->Right Click Secondary IDE Controller-> Advanced Tab and switch it there from PIO only to DMA. Now im back to ripping at 10x with my pioneer 106s

[areohbee]

Thanks! - My little workaround is no longer working around - And, I see I am in "PIO mode" on the DVD Drive, even though its set on "DMA if available". Guess its not available!? I bet you that is the problem!!

I appreciate your input.
Rob.

:cool:

[quickstang45]

Originally posted by areohbee
Thanks! - My little workaround is no longer working around - And, I see I am in "PIO mode" on the DVD Drive, even though its set on "DMA if available". Guess its not available!? I bet you that is the problem!!

I appreciate your input.
Rob.

:cool:

Yeah when I switched it from PIO to DMA if available it still wouldn't switch to DMA mode. Thats when I switch DVD to slave and CD-RW to master, after that it worked. Don't know why maybe it's because windows thought it was a new drive and set it up right. You could try switching the drives if you have two or trying to uninstall the drive from the device manager and reboot. Windows would probably think its a new drive then.

[areohbee]

Whoa! - I am so stoked. - After failing at just reinstalling the DVD drive, I swapped my CD & DVD drives and they both came up in DMA mode. Very strange bug indeed, but its good to be back in the high performance saddle again! - And I do SOOOO appreciate your help :)

[quickstang45]

Glad I could help! I just stumbled on to the bug by accident and how to fix it. I was very very stoked when I figured it out too. Nothing like riping at 1x and jumping to 10x.