Low bitrate = TMPGEnc or CCE

[Holomatrix]

Hi, just need a few quick replies on which encoder is better for low bitrate encodes. TMPGEnc CQ or CCE 4pass?
Thanks

[Boulder]

Personally I would go for CCE and 4-pass.

[chainsaw135]

It depends on how low you go. I myself if i was going lower then 1600 would switch 2 vcd and then use tmpgenc. If you are going above 1600 I would say CCE.

[Holomatrix]

True. Low, I meen under 1000 even 800, what would you use to cram a 1 1/2 movie on 1 cd. I still would choose SVCD because of sceens that bitrate of 1150 is not needed can be used on the faster sceens.

[chainsaw135]

Yeah i was totally meaning quality verses, i'm mostly in to quality myself thats why i'd do the switch because vcd would start looking better then doing a svcd at lower bitrates, also tmpgenc in my opinion is better at vcd then cce but cce is better at doing svcd. So i hope some of the information and opinions have helped..

[ulfschack]

Do an SVCD (or rather XSVDC) with 352x288 (VCD specs) or whatever the NTSC counterpart would be, but encode as SVDC. This way you're free to use VBR given that your stand-alone will play it, which is not too uncommon. In my view this gives more bang for the buck than mpeg-1.

As for Tmpeg or CCE ... it's a toss-up. It's gonna suck either way.

[Holomatrix]

@chainsaw135 - your right, low bitrate VCD=TMPGEnc
@ulfschack - also right, both suck but TMPGEnc was better

I'm still going to to a SVCD though because I'm trying to fit the movie on ONE cd which VCD would not work. (1150 limitation too high)

I tried an encode, AVI2SVCD and fit a two hour movie (The 6th Day) on ONE cd and realized that TMPGEnc CQ 50 is better that CCE 4pass avg bitrate 755 both without TS. It also seems that enabling TS with LOW bitrates makes it worse, more blocky.

Anyone else have any input on this subject?