quick2pass

[DaveEL]

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/del100/quick2pass.zip

Here is a small app to do 2 pass encoding requires todays builds to run.

You currently need to set up an avisynth frame script this will eventually be built in but for the moment just use GordianKnot to do that bit. Just uses the default settings for now ill hack together a gui to allow you to set the options soon.

When you run it it will ask for the AVS then an output Avi and then an output size.

Features that will eventually be added
Xvid Options
Size Calc
Audio Processing
Frame Server Setup like Gordian Knot

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

New Version now contains all the xvid options



DaveEL

[DaveEL]

hmm geocities seems to have disabled my site for using too much bandwidth:) can anyone suggest where else i could put this for download?

DaveEL

[AsPiRiN]

Originally posted by DaveEL
hmm geocities seems to have disabled my site for using too much bandwidth:) can anyone suggest where else i could put this for download?

DaveEL

try www.hotbox.ru
20mb free space and it is fast!

[DaveEL]

Ok new version again

New
basic Frame server setup (just crop and resize) still have to do things like deinterlace and smart crop like GordianKnot.
now asks for a D2V file as input instead of an avs.
Loads default settings from the registry so your normal xvid settings will be used.

Bugs Fixed

Should really work this time i missed one of the new variables in the CONFIG struct out yesterday so it probably never worked at all before. need to setup some shorter clips for testing to avoid this only thing i have on my hdd for testing now are all about 2 hours long which means test cycles are rather slow. :)

Still To Do:
Audio Processing.
Finish Frame Server setup
size calc (still trying to find correct values for vbr-mp3 mux overhead)
Suggestions?


Download down till i fix a bug

[AsPiRiN]

why dont you try to implement ogg??
it is rather better than mp3 and it is growing up!:D

[DaveEL]

well after an hour and a half of bug hunting turns out the bug is in the library i used to do base64 encoding so i switched to a new one hopefully it should really work this time.


http:\\daveel.hotbox.ru\quick2pass.zip

for vorbis to work properly you ned to use .ogm right? (i got nandub to mux vorbis streams but i lost the audio when i seeked). might have a look i still use mp3 in my encodes and so far not convinced oggenc can beat lame with the right settings but ill take a look (havnt tested vorbis for a while anyway). do any command line tools exist to do the ogm muxing?

DaveEL

[AsPiRiN]

Originally posted by DaveEL
well after an hour and a half of bug hunting turns out the bug is in the library i used to do base64 encoding so i switched to a new one hopefully it should really work this time.


http:\\daveel.hotbox.ru\quick2pass.zip

for vorbis to work properly you ned to use .ogm right? (i got nandub to mux vorbis streams but i lost the audio when i seeked). might have a look i still use mp3 in my encodes and so far not convinced oggenc can beat lame with the right settings but ill take a look (havnt tested vorbis for a while anyway). do any command line tools exist to do the ogm muxing?

DaveEL

Oggs seems to be very good quality at lower bitrates!
For oggs you need the ogg directshow filter.Mixing oggs with nundub is verry buggy.But a very good gui tool appeared: oggmux0.4
find both at doom9.org

[DaveEL]

New Release again just fixed the second pass code this time.


broken download down again

DaveEL

[Dark-Cracker]

Do u think you will add your source code in the next release ? i am interested in the construction of the virtualdub jobs file.

Very nice work.Good luck for your next release.

PS: it seems to me that the mp3 mux overhead is around 24kb/s and vbr-mp3 overhead 40 kb/s.

[DaveEL]

will release the source once the frame server setup is finished. whole thing writen in delphi so i dont know how much use it will be to you.

DaveEL

ps. Got a version now that seems to work just running a test encode will upload in a few hours if all goes well

[Vanos_b]

Please do that. There are Delphi coders here.

[dado023]

hmm geocities seems to have disabled my site for using too much bandwidth can anyone suggest where else i could put this for download?

i can offer hosting.....only 6MB
its free

[DaveEL]

Ok after much bug hunting and a fix which doesnt appear to make any sense at all but which makes my virtualdub job files the same as the ones that virtualdub generates itsself (Adding AAAA to the base64 encoded data (dont ask me why it works)) i finally have a version that can do encodes properly.

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass.zip

DaveEL

ps no time to update for the next couple of days most likely. please test this so i can work out any problems.

damm always helps if i upload the new build once ive compiled it:) please redownload sorry

[Nuro]

It'll be cool if you could publish the code

/me loves Delphi

Gerard

[ivan_alias]

When I run quick2pass.exe I get:

failed to get data for 'use_alt_curve'

The program then loads but I don't get prompted to load the d2v file.



Win 2K SP2
Yes I have xvid installed ;) What else can I tell you that would be useful?

[DaveEL]

Do you have a current build with the alt curve compression stuff in??

ill fix it so it works without current registry settings next build for the moment you have to have run the normal xvid config dialog at least once to make it fill the registry settings.

DaveEL

[ivan_alias]

Ahh that might be it. My xvid may have come from 2 days ago. way out of date now!

I'll try it with a later compile this evening.

[NoLogo]

Ok, maybe this will sound a little rough but:

1) No way to see the top of the video: some dificulties to crop it.
2) The resize do not affect the shown video, and it would be cool to have H and V linked.
3) I guess the size is in kB, but could you precise it ?
4) Maybe some options could be locked when you choose some other ones (e.g. 'Enable auto minimum relative quality' locks 'minimum relative in the codec configuration window, under VDub), so that you're sure about what you do.
5) How can I choose between 1st and 2ns pass ?
6) Where do I put the end credits size ?
7) How does the resize affect the image geometry ? % of deformation would be great.


Well, as you can guess, these are options you can find in GKnot, I don't want to compare your work with this, but I think it would be good to have them too :)
Nevertheless, you're tool is on the way to be a 'usefull' tool :)

EDIT:
An 'Open' button could be usefull too.

[DaveEL]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NoLogo
[B]Ok, maybe this will sound a little rough but:

1) No way to see the top of the video: some dificulties to crop it.

Hmm ill take a look at that perhaps when i was moving round stuff in the form i put it in the wrong place.

2) The resize do not affect the shown video, and it would be cool to have H and V linked.

still trying to work out a good way to do that as the AR depends on source type PAL/NTSC and AR and the crop. if anyone has any idea please send me them. in order to do it properly i need to do something like the gordian knot Smart-crop too if someone has algorithms for these please send them.

3) I guess the size is in kB, but could you precise it ?

yeah its in kB will add a little label next to the box next version. gonna redesign that when i put the size calc and audio processing in.

4) Maybe some options could be locked when you choose some other ones (e.g. 'Enable auto minimum relative quality' locks 'minimum relative in the codec configuration window, under VDub), so that you're sure about what you do.

will do doesnt matter what values you put in the parts which are already locked so i left them for now as i had bugs in the job control to fix first.

5) How can I choose between 1st and 2ns pass ?

currently just does both putting in options to only do one is easy so expect it in the next version.

6) Where do I put the end credits size ?

on the last page under the credit start/end is a size box then set credit mode to size.


7) How does the resize affect the image geometry ? % of deformation would be great.

need to code all the stuff for selecting of input AR first


Well, as you can guess, these are options you can find in GKnot, I don't want to compare your work with this, but I think it would be good to have them too :)

all planned to be done GK is the reason im working on this i used Gordian knot until i decided to switch to xvid (now i still use Gordian knot i just feed the output into my program)


Nevertheless, you're tool is on the way to be a 'usefull' tool :)

EDIT:
An 'Open' button could be usefull too.

Once all the options are finish ill start on that kind of stuff

[NoLogo]

Well, i see that you're working about those points :)
Sorry for the n°6, i didn't see that. Thought it was like in the codec window ;)
Whatever, great job.

Regards
NoLogo

[DaveEL]

another release

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass.zip


i think you should be able to see all the video this time
if you don't have reg entrys for xvid then i hope it will now work.

resize/crop show AR so you can try to match them.

can select credit start/end can be selected from the currently displayed frame.

forgot to put in the choice of first/second pass which i said i would next version really ill remember this time (i moved in between posting and coding this version and it somehow got lost in the back of my brain same for locking controls which are not useful).

DaveEL

[NoLogo]

Well, the video's perfect now, i can see the top of it.
The possibility to choose credits frame is a great idea, much easier than using VDub when in codec configuration panel.
The AR is ok too, but i definitely think that a % of deformation would be better (maybe this is harder to code, don't know, not a coder at all...).
There's a 'kB' that appears in the 'Global' window, maybe a little (tiny ?) bug. :)
Else, a 'resize' button could be pretty usefull (e.g. when changing 'Input AR', or resolution).
Everything else is fine :)

Regards
NoLogo

[DaveEL]

last release was broken had 2 function calls commented out for faster debug cycle but i forgot to put them back in should be fixed now.

deformation next release.

ah i knew id put that "kb" label in but as a moved things round the form i lost it so i just made a new one.:)

DaveEL

[NoLogo]

Ok, lets wait for next release :)
Keep going that way

Regards
NoLogo

[DaveEL]

another release http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass.zip

added deformation and auto select of best Height based on selected Width

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

just thought id drop a quick note to say the next version is coming on well. Ive got .ogm muxing working and have better values for pixel aspect ratio.

will probably release tommorow (possibly in the next couple of hours depends if i finish it before i go to the pub).

after that
audio encode (besweet) which should be simple.
and smart crop like gordian knot i tried implementing this as an interative improvement by cropping one extra pixel width or height at a time depending on which corrects the aspect ratio more but unfortunatly this doesnt seem to work. does anyone have a ideas on a good algorithm for this???

after that ill have a code cleanup and then release the source so other people can add features they want to use like deinterlace etc.

DaveEL

[DSPguru]

Originally posted by DaveEL
audio encode (besweet) which should be simple. let me know if you need any support...

Dg.

[DaveEL]

new Release again

OggMux support is finished audio should be processed before starting if you have no audio then cancel on the audio select dialog at the end no muxing will be done so you chosen output name will be ignored but the avi with the video in will be written to the directory the program is in called encode.avi.

DaveEL

[Nic]

Ive been meaning to ask DG for some help for a while....I wonder if a callback routine could be added to BeSweet....

@DaveEl: My sisters at Southampton Uni too :)

[Koepi]

Nice to see that you did it dave :)

Keep up the good work!

Best regards,
Koepi

[DaveEL]

One quick question

Once i have the main encoding app finished im gonna work on porting my work on being able to pause (shutdown computer) and resume encodes which i almost finished on divx 3.11 via nandub (it produced working output but i never finished the work on making it rejoint the files at the correct points as you have to overlap the encodes as you cant trust the last frame out of the encoder as its possible it never finished writing to disk) it was however all based on having gordian knot "normalise" the stats file so the stats file was based on the exact output size of the frames. however xvid does much better using the internal curve compression would it be possible to have the codec do the full curve compression and then encode the output based on only a selection of the frames ie feed the encodering a full stats file for the whole thing but only send it the second half of the input video?

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

Another new version. Teworked some existing code and added a smart crop like option.

Select your minimum crop and then the output width after that press the search button next to the crop options and it will search for crop values which reduce the AR error.


DaveEL

[DaveEL]

ok i finished a compressability test so thats now included.


Now i believe the video side is almost feature complete can people test this and report any problems or suggestions.

DaveEL


http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass.zip

[Erbse]

thx for this nice tool :)

2 small problems i have:

the buttons to switch between "Main" and "Xvid" are to small (actually a thin line) if quick2pass is not full screen

after pressing "ok" , your prog like two save an ogm file, if i do it not, the prog close at all -> really sucks if you forget an option


what i like to have for next release: a calculater and a "shutdown-option", also profile-option would be nice

btw: What is "AR" ? (about Deformation )

[DaveEL]

Sounds like the gui is too big to run well in your resolution ill try to cut the size down a bit so it works better. most of the size is the video part but ill see what i can do.

Ill get the cancel option to put you back in the options window.

Calc should be possible in the next version but not as accurate as i would like as i havnt got values for audio muxing overhead. If i put it in aim for a smaller file then you normally would like if your looking for 700mb try 690mb as that should cover the overhead.

AR = aspect ratio.
Deformation = aspect ratio error.

Ill add a shutdown option as soon as i can remeber how to ask WinNT to give me permission to do the shutdown call.
Profiles may be added later but ill rather do things like audio processing and a job queue.

Im off work tommorow so i should have time to make an update with at least some of this stuff but the most important thing im gonna add is support for the latest xvid builds as since interlacing and Motion vector hint files went in it probably doesnt work. That is unless someone knows of some changes to the xvid CONFIG struct which is gonna be soon as if it is im wasting my time updating till thats done.

Ive ordered a new NTSC dvd recently so when that turns up IVTC (and probably interlacing) might turn up soon

BTW i got permission for aquaplaning and thewef to release the code they wrote which i used under the GPL so source will be available soon so you can add any features you want :)

[lar1r]

I was wondering if you are considering allowing the program to work with avi files?

I capture a lot and use Xvid 2 pass.

Thx

[bb]

Oh yes, I support lar1r's request!

bb

[-h]

Ill add a shutdown option as soon as i can remeber how to ask WinNT to give me permission to do the shutdown call.

Here's some crappy code I wrote a long time ago on this:


BOOL GetSecurity(char* lpMachine)
{
TOKEN_PRIVILEGES tkPriv;
HANDLE hToken;
char* lpPrivilege;
BOOL bSuccess = FALSE;

OpenProcessToken(GetCurrentProcess(), TOKEN_ADJUST_PRIVILEGES, &hToken);

if(hToken == INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE)
return bSuccess;

lpPrivilege = (lpMachine) ? SE_REMOTE_SHUTDOWN_NAME : SE_SHUTDOWN_NAME;

if( !LookupPrivilegeValue(lpMachine, lpPrivilege, &tkPriv.Privileges->Luid) ) {
CloseHandle(hToken);
return bSuccess;
}

tkPriv.PrivilegeCount = 1;
tkPriv.Privileges->Attributes = SE_PRIVILEGE_ENABLED;

AdjustTokenPrivileges(hToken, FALSE, &tkPriv, 0, NULL, NULL);

if(GetLastError() == ERROR_SUCCESS)
bSuccess = TRUE;

CloseHandle(hToken);
return bSuccess;
}


Im off work tommorow so i should have time to make an update with at least some of this stuff but the most important thing im gonna add is support for the latest xvid builds as since interlacing and Motion vector hint files went in it probably doesnt work. That is unless someone knows of some changes to the xvid CONFIG struct which is gonna be soon as if it is im wasting my time updating till thats done.

I hadn't planned anything, though Foxer might be adding 2 new CBR parameters soon.

-h

[Erbse]

sounds very good to me :)


Sounds like the gui is too big to run well in your resolution ill try to cut the size down a bit so it works better. most of the size is the video part but ill see what i can do.


i work in a Resolution 1024x768 @ 16 bit

[rui]

Just wanted to say that it has problems with the latest xvid codec that can be downloaded in uManiacs site.
The config tab has some stuff moved around, so that could be the reason.

By the way, this latest codec version has, in the alt curve tab, 3 new options: Max bitrate, Max overflow improvement% and Max overflow degradation %.
The first one is obvious, but the other two i am not certain.

Edit: Stupid me:rolleyes: I forgot that one just has to hover the mouse above the options to get a small explanation

[DaveEL]

Just realised how much coursework i have on at the moment before i go back to uni so probably no updates for the next weekish unless i get really bored and cant concentrate on the work. Ill try to find the time to put together the source for the last version so anyone who is interested can add things in my absence and ill collect any changes together when i get back. As ive had no time to clean up or comment the code id prefer not to upload the code for everone this time so please private message/email/post here if you want a copy.

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by DaveEL
Just realised how much coursework i have on at the moment before i go back to uni so probably no updates for the next weekish unless i get really bored and cant concentrate on the work. Ill try to find the time to put together the source for the last version so anyone who is interested can add things in my absence and ill collect any changes together when i get back. As ive had no time to clean up or comment the code id prefer not to upload the code for everone this time so please private message/email/post here if you want a copy.

DaveEL

Ok so i got bored and am currently testing my latest build which assuming no problems ill release tommorow
new in the next release

1) Basic audio processing (besweet based, Select an ac3 and you can transcode it to 2chan ogg (ABR only) more options/formats will be added later) only options currently are delay, bitrate, resample to 44.1 and normalize more to be added later.

2) Size calc (inaccurate as previously noted).

3) Support for new builds, its being based on the current instant build as of about an hour ago hopefully no changes to the config struct will happen soon but ill probably include a binary for xvid with the package which is the build its been tested with.

4) (possibly not done yet) squeeze the form down a bit so i works when running in lower res.

Ill take a look at doing avi and mpeg1 files soon, its gonna mean a bit of reorganisation internally so it wont happen quickly. Private message/email me if it doesnt happen in the next 3-4 weeks cos i will probably have forgotten or possibly have too much uni work but if you bug me enough ill get it done eventually. Not sure how ill do audio processing from avi but im sure ill work something out.

Avi output with less audio format options (AC3/MP3 only) is also a feature that ill do eventually gonna have to do that to get mp3 working in ogm files anyway as the directshow mpeg1 splitter doesnt work properly anyway.


@-h thanx for the example code ill integrate it when i get back to uni and my development machine is connected to the 'net again.

[DaveEL]

ok new release bit later then i expected but i had a couple of bugs to fix before i could release.

I had problems with vorbis abr mode so ive switched to using quality mode.

i didnt include a build with the zip as it was too big to fit on a floppy to transfer between my development machine and this one but it has been tested with instant build 13.04.2002.1640.

@rui can you test that the new layout works properly on your screen if not can you take a screen shot and e-mail it to me.

DaveEL
(http:\\www.ecs.soton.ac.uk\~del100\quick2pass.zip)

[DaveEL]

hmm just looked at the cvs change log and it looks like the config struct has changed again ill try to get another build out asap.

DaveEL

[rui]

Humm, it seems that you will have to create almost dailly builds :D
By the way, i am having some trouble downloading your file.
Only when using Getright (?), i could have a non corrupt file.
But i am in my work, and behind a firewall, so that maybe the cause.

But thanks for your efforts. :)

[Erbse]

no problems downloading at all - opera 6.02 behind Kerio Firewall

(edit) but quick2pass.exe crash with message "no win32 program"
but the others tools (oggmux,virtualdub) works , i uses winrar 2.90

[rui]

Well, it crashed with me too. It gives me a message saying that an error with kernel32 ocurred. Win95B here :(

[DaveEL]

updated supporting build 15/4/02 0800
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass.zip


daily builds is just something i have to put up with working with xvid but its also the reason i work with xvid the quality is good and getting better fast due to the speed of development. anyway as you can tell by the speed of this update supporting new builds doesnt take long it when i add other features like the audio processing that takes a while as i have to spend time testing all the other features incase i introduce bugs.

problems with d/l could be when i originally posted i had not finished uploading the file (stupid 56k modem) try again now to get the new build. by the time you tried getright i probably finished the upload and so it downloaded fine.

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by rui
Well, it crashed with me too. It gives me a message saying that an error with kernel32 ocurred. Win95B here :(

at what point does it crash?? on startup or when trying to run jobs?

and does it still happen with the new build i just put up

[rui]

It doesn't crash anymore. :)
I will try it and later post here my results.

Thanks

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by rui
It doesn't crash anymore. :)
I will try it and later post here my results.

Thanks

Weird i didnt change anything except changing to the new xvid config struct. oh well if it works it works :)

DaveEL

[rui]

I spoke too soon :(
After opening the quick2pass.exe, a windows appears, tellijg me to choose my .dv2 project. I choose a dv2 project from a trailer i have in this comp, bu then a new window appears saying this: "Failed to get data from 'twopass_max_overflow_improvement'"
Then the software window appears, but i can't start either the comp test or the two pass encoding. When i choose the comp test, it opens Vdub, but closes it right away, and a new window saying "File not found" appears.

[DaveEL]

thats fine you NEED the latest build to run it
it you run the latest build in xvid it will fill in the reg values and you will stop getting the startup error. if you only use my tool you will continue to get that error but if you install the new codec then the comp check and encode should work again.

DaveEL

[rui]

I have the 13.04.2002.2220 build.
I thought that this was the latest build. :confused:

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by rui
I have the 13.04.2002.2220 build.
I thought that this was the latest build. :confused:


uManiacs instant build 15.05.2003.0800 is what its made to work with

DaveEL

[uManiac]

Maybe you should let your program check what version of the codec is installed. You can PM me if you need info on what's put in the registery during install.

uManiac

[rui]

Originally posted by DaveEL



uManiacs instant build 15.05.2003.0800 is what its made to work with

DaveEL

Sorry. I will try with this one. The uManiac's idea is very good. Could you implement something like that?

[rui]

Well, i just ended a comp test, using quick2pass. All went well :)
But i have some doubts with the values i got: the bits/pixel is 0,1592 and the comp test is 0,815. The subject was a trailer from the movie The Replacements and the target file size was 13MB. This clip is very dificult to encode, divx5 used to gave me a comp check of 29%.
So, what values i am to expect from xvid comp test to consider that the final avi will look good?

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by rui


Sorry. I will try with this one. The uManiac's idea is very good. Could you implement something like that?

Well if i put in a check for a particular version it can cause a few problems

1) only works with that particular binary so if someone has a diff binary from another source it wouldnt work.

2) If new builds do not change the config struct then they will be automatically supported if i check version numbers the program will detect a different version and even if it did work it program would think that it was the wrong version

if i cant find a more precise way to check for codec compatibility then i will probably put something in to detect a version which is too old and a warning if the version is too new as it may still work. not sure what to do about the fact that versions are available from different people and so i cant check for compatibility between builds.

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by rui
Well, i just ended a comp test, using quick2pass. All went well :)
But i have some doubts with the values i got: the bits/pixel is 0,1592 and the comp test is 0,815. The subject was a trailer from the movie The Replacements and the target file size was 13MB. This clip is very dificult to encode, divx5 used to gave me a comp check of 29%.
So, what values i am to expect from xvid comp test to consider that the final avi will look good?

if you doubt the value my program gives you load encode.stats into gordianknot comp check and it should give you the same value (i split every 13 frames like Gordian knot so i could use that to check my values were correct). as far as what percent to go for im not sure myself yet (must remeber to add a box showing what percentage the comp check is vs the BBP aimed for) generally i guess the values will be reasonable similar to those you want for a divx3 rip probably a bit lower. not sure what value for a divx5 comp check is reasonable.

DaveEL

[kythorn]

Any chance you could put in .avs support again?

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by kythorn
Any chance you could put in .avs support again?

depends on exactly what you mean by avs support. if you want to be able to open avs scripts as input this should happen when i get round to allowing you to open avis. so in short yes but not for a while:)

DaveEL

[rui]

Originally posted by DaveEL


if you doubt the value my program gives you load encode.stats into gordianknot comp check and it should give you the same value (i split every 13 frames like Gordian knot so i could use that to check my values were correct).
DaveEL

Of course i don't doubt your work :)
This was a very small test (trailer), so it doesn't have much importance. I will do tests with full movies and then see what it gives me.

Thanks again for your efforts :)

[Erbse]

main, xvid buttons now appears correctly, thx for fix that

after starting quick2pass and loading *d2v i get this message:


failed to get data for twopass_max_overflow_improvement


of cource latest xvid build is installed (umaniac XviD.Alpha.15.04.2002.0800.exe)

[DaveEL]

The program will still work if you get that error what it means is you haven’t used the codec on its own (outside my program) since you installed the latest codec so no values are in the registry for the new parameters if you load the codec config window in virtualdub it should fix the problem but as i said it should still work if you ignore the message. ill make it ignore missing registry values at some point in time.

DaveEL

[evaguiar]

I'm Evandro Aguiar Nascimento and I'm leaning how to program computers using Delphi, will you publish the source code of quick2pass? Can you send it to me? What's your email?

Cheers,

Evandro Aguiar Nascimento
evandro@compacto.br
Assoc. Edu. Compacto

[Dark-Cracker]

i am interested too by the source :-) perhaps could u add it in your next release, almost it was a secret work.

[metrom]

Originally posted by DaveEL
i still use mp3 in my encodes and so far not convinced oggenc can beat lame with the right settings but ill take a look (havnt tested vorbis for a while anyway).DaveEL

you're joking right? :/

ogg vorbis beats mp3 at any bitrates, not just the lower ones.

[Hanty]

Beating mp3 at "Any bitrates" is a very bold statement. I invite you to make a better 32kbps ogg of the CD of your choice than my 256kbps mp3 of the same Cd. :)

[Nic]

He is referring to ogg beating mp3 at any set bitrate...i.e. Ogg at nkbps will beat MP3 at nkbps. Where n can be any given bitrate.

However, even with that mind, people may still not agree.

-Nic

[dividee]

DaveEL,
about the comp check, do you know that GKnot only use 12 frames out of 13 to evaluate it ? The first frame of each snip is bigger since an artificial scene change is introduced every 13 frames. If you don't discard it, you tend to overestimate the bpp of the first pass and underestimate the comp check % value.
Sorry if you already knew that.

[DaveEL]

about the comp check, do you know that GKnot only use 12 frames out of 13 to evaluate it ? The first frame of each snip is bigger since an artificial scene change is introduced every 13 frames. If you don't discard it, you tend to overestimate the bpp of the first pass and underestimate the comp check % value.


yeah it already does that

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

stupid bug in previous release sorry to anyone who had problems with it the new version up now should work better

DaveEL
(http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass.zip)

[DaveEL]

more testing, more bugs found and so another release:)

DaveEL

(http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/del100/quick2pass.zip)

[Apu]

Hi,

wow, it took me a while to realize that you're quite serious with this "always use the latest built" thing. I very unsuccessful tried Nic's "latest" 05/04/02 built, Koepi's I think it was 17/04/02 and uManiac's 13/04/02 builts and it produced no output at all. I thought I'm just too stupid, but after a revisit on uManiacs site - this time finding the "instant built" section finally got me to where I wanted to go for.

Anyways, thank you for that nice tool (or let's say program as I thing it left "tool-stage").

And as many others I would very appreciate if you would publish the source code.

[bb]

What do you think about adding version numbers to the quick2pass filename?

bb

[DaveEL]

source released (GPL) i warn you its a mess


http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/Q2psrc.zip

fixed url should work now

DaveEL

[uManiac]

The url dosn't work :(

[DaveEL]

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.5.zip

just updated to support builds later then 23/04/2002 19:20


new features
- none :D



DaveEL
(anyone added anything to the source they want to share?)
(im working and not really getting anywhere with vstrip support currently)

[Dark-Cracker]

good idear to add vstrip, i have post a thread to know if someone could help me to modify vstripgui, perhaps this could give you an idear.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23160

Ps: my knowledge in delphi are very bad but i working actualy on a new tool "autodub" who could automaticly start a 1pass CBR / 2pass (both) in Divx4/DivxPro 5 and Xvid, i think it was surely buggy , but if i could help you , this will be great. give a shot to my prog (Less Xvid option than your, but it support the new Build 23-04-02)

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23833

Bye. Good luck for your next release.

[AsPiRiN]

First of all the url doesnt work!
And why dont you ever support the stable builds of the xvid guys like Nic,Koepi an Umaniac??

[Dark-Cracker]

>First of all the url doesnt work!
first the Url seems to working

>why dont you ever support the stable builds of the xvid guys like Nic,Koepi an Umaniac??
secondly we support Nic/koepi/Umanic Build because there are STABLE.

[Franko30]

Sorry to disturb you guys, I don't want want to join the fight, but:

I just wanted to download quick 2-pass to check on the progress it's making but the URL produces the following result:


"403 Forbidden
You do not have permission to access /~del100/quick2pass0.5.zip on this server.

If you expected this URL to work, please contact del100@ecs.soton.ac.uk

You may want to try:
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/ "

After trying the given alternative, I get the listing of the available files, but when trying to click on one of the files I get back to the "403" page :(

Cheers

Frank

[DaveEL]

"403 Forbidden
You do not have permission to access /~del100/quick2pass0.5.zip on this server.

that will teach me to upload stuff at silly hours of the morning when i should be sleeping fixed should work now

As for stable builds i support the very latest code so when these "stable" builds are updated i automatically support them if you want to work with older builds use the old URL from a few posts ago appart from support for the new builds they are identical.

DaveEL

[AsPiRiN]

Thanx DaveEL!i didnt mean to offend you i any way!Just asking.Great job!

[acido]

Please help me understanding how comp test works in quick2pass ...
What values should i expect from a comptest, i know bits per pixel/frame should be near 0.20 for 1cd and 0,27 for 2cds, but as in gknot this is not accurate.
so what values should i expect after choosing the right resolution?
Many thanks, ciao!

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by acido
Please help me understanding how comp test works in quick2pass ...
What values should i expect from a comptest, i know bits per pixel/frame should be near 0.20 for 1cd and 0,27 for 2cds, but as in gknot this is not accurate.
so what values should i expect after choosing the right resolution?
Many thanks, ciao!


not sure yet i try for about 75% of the comptest.

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.501.zip


just fixes the oggmux code.

DaveEL

(anyone intrested in testing new builds for me as my last couple of releases have had a few problems i didnt find until some time after the release)

[DaveEL]

another tiny upgrade (or downgrade depending on how you look at it) the instant builds have had a few problems with the dshow filter and i wanted to try with the EPZS(^2) code so i made a new version to work with nics current binary (included in the zip).

except that no differences with 0.501 (still available if you want to use the instant builds)

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.502.zip

DaveEL

[hyperion]

Getting this error 'Can't create oggMuxer!' and Oggmux crashing.

Am i doing something wrong.??

A suggestion, couldn't you collect all the files in the same dir
as the original movie instead of the quickpass dir.



Great program BTW.

Cheers
Hyperion

[DaveEL]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hyperion
[B]Getting this error 'Can't create oggMuxer!' and Oggmux crashing.

Am i doing something wrong.??

currently only suppored output is ogm/xvid/vorbis so you need the ogg directshow filter installed. get them from doom9. avi/xvid/mp3 output support should be in soon(and so ogm/xvid/mp3 should work too).

A suggestion, couldn't you collect all the files in the same dir
as the original movie instead of the quickpass dir.

planed will be needed for job control which hopefully will be added soon (multithreaded goodness is already in my copy of the code but not the release versions so it should be easy possibly next release).

[Dark-Cracker]

does it exist a CLI version of oggmux ?

[hyperion]

It worked !!

It made a .ogm fil.

One thing, any suggestions on the % for Ogg compression (default 50).
Is 50% like 128 Kbps MP3 ABR or..?

I may add, that i haven't done much in Ogg before.. Sounds great on my test file..

Keep up the great work and add .avs support ;)

Cheers
Hyperion

[DaveEL]

One thing, any suggestions on the % for Ogg compression (default 50).
Is 50% like 128 Kbps MP3 ABR or..?

Vorbis stuff is VBR but IIRC its about 140kbps for a film.



Keep up the great work and add .avs support ;)
basic .avs/.avi support on the way soonish.


new version 0.55 (http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~dell00/quick2pass0.55.zip)
(use http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass.zip if you want to link to latest version).

1) MP3/avi output

If you want an avi just use an MP3 audio track (no mp3s in ogm yet!)

2) decomb support

(http://www.doom9.org/decomb.htm) not all params supported yet


3) lots of internal changes (read bugs) please test
4) multi-threaded goodness (read useless until job control is added (oh and bugs))


DaveEL

[Gazza]

Had problems with the links - files not available...

What is the difference between quick2pass0.55.zip and quick2pass.zip? Should quick2pass0.55.zip be titled quick2pass0.505?

I'm new to quick2pass, but would like to give it a go. Does it come with a guide? Or is it blatantly obvious - maybe I should go and give it a shot... A guide would be good though.

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by Gazza
Had problems with the links - files not available...


fixed new links in the previous post


What is the difference between quick2pass0.55.zip and quick2pass.zip?

nothing quick2pass.zip always points to the latest version which currently is 0.55

Should quick2pass0.55.zip be titled quick2pass0.505?

no

I'm new to quick2pass, but would like to give it a go. Does it come with a guide?


i need to write some docs soon but coding is more fun you should be able to work it out if you have used xvid before .

DaveEL

[Apu]

:devil:

I've got some trouble again. VD produces no output. Actually it behaves the same as when I had a wrong quick2pass/Codec Version combination (Codec to old) some weeks ago. But this time I can't solve it. I'm using the quick2pass Version of your last post and tried the following Codecs:

the included Nic's release (22042002)
the latest Nic's release (02052002)
uManiac's build "XviD.Alpha.03.05.2002.1520.exe"

Any suggestions?

thanks.

[DaveEL]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Apu
[B]:devil:

I've got some trouble again. VD produces no output. Actually it behaves the same as when I had a wrong quick2pass/Codec Version combination (Codec to old) some weeks ago. But this time I can't solve it. I'm using the quick2pass Version of your last post and tried the following Codecs:

Does it process the video or just exit can you send me the virtualdub.jobs file to dave at leatherdale dot net.

the included Nic's release (22042002)
use that one make sure you uninstall any other builds first.


DaveEL

[Apu]

No, VD starts and immediately exits.

I hope my Codec setup is alright. I tried uninstal the old Codec in various ways. I tried the "unisnstal" Option of Xvid in my Start folder, and also did it via System->Device Manager->Audio, Video and Gamecontroller->Videocodecs->remove. This should be enough. Just to be sure I will delete anything that smells like Xvid by hand again and then have another try...

and this ist my jobs file (i also mailed it to you):

// VirtualDub job list (Sylia script format)
// This is a program generated file -- edit at your own risk.
//
// $numjobs 1
//

// $job "Job 1"
// $input "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Der Nippie\Desktop\quick2pass\encode.avs"
// $output "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Der Nippie\Desktop\quick2pass\encode.avi"
// $state 5
// $start_time 01c1f383 db820080
// $end_time 01c1f383 dc0eb020
// $error "Video compression error: An unknown error occurred (may be corrupt data). (error code -100)"
// $script

VirtualDub.Open("C:\\Dokumente und Einstellungen\\Der Nippie\\Desktop\\quick2pass\\encode.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetSource(0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetInterleave(1,500,1,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.audio.SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetVolume();
VirtualDub.audio.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x64697678,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompData(1126,"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");
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("C:\\Dokumente und Einstellungen\\Der Nippie\\Desktop\\quick2pass\\encode.avi");
VirtualDub.Close();

// $endjob
//
//--------------------------------------------------
// $done

[Apu]

Well, here we go, I got it work!:cool:

I did a search on "Xvid" on my System and found a xvid.dll in C:\windows\LastGood. For whatever reason this one was used, although I double and triple uninstalled it. According to it's checksum it is an older uManiac's release and actually the last one I really used manually. So maybe you have to encode something by yourself before Windows let VD use the right(fresh installed) codec automatically?!?!? :confused:

[DaveEL]

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.56.zip


new

* more internal changes
* updated codec support (updated build included)
* full decomb options supported
* ogm/mp3 support (not sure its useful but it was easy to add :) )
* temp files written to project(input) directory not the quick2pass dir (still not named well, fix soon)
* xvid options disabled when they can't be used (in 0.55 but i forgot to mention it :) )


my plan for 0.6 is to add a job queue and transcoding of avi/avs input. Anyone got any suggestions of other stuff that needs to be added?

DaveEL

[DSPguru]

Hello Dave,Originally posted by DaveEL
* ogm/mp3 support (not sure its useful but it was easy to add :) )
you meant mp2, didn't you ;) ?

as for including BeSweet in your package,
that's not a problem :), but i'm gonna have to ask you to include all BeSweet's textfiles in your package (the dlls must come with its licenses).
you can create a "Legal" folder in your package and put it there, just like i do.

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by DSPguru
Hello Dave,you meant mp2, didn't you ;) ?

as for including BeSweet in your package,
that's not a problem :), but i'm gonna have to ask you to include all BeSweet's textfiles in your package (the dlls must come with its licenses).
you can create a "Legal" folder in your package and put it there, just like i do.

Sorry about that. Have been working on a NSIS installer today which includes all of the docs that come with all the programs so they will be included with future versions. (bulks up the size of the installer so ill have to make 2 versions in future a full one and an upgrade).

DaveEL

[DSPguru]

some textfiles shouldn't increase the filesize of your archive ;).

btw, if you want to decrease the installer filesize, you can exclude libvorbis.dll from your package :
1. BeSweet doesn't need it, and it can use OggDS's dlls. (anyway, in order to Playback ogg/ogm, OggDS must be installed).
2. since your tool is muxing a&v with nandub, in most cases, the ogg feature would be useless. (unless ppl does muxing with OggMux by theirselves).


Cheers :),
Dg.

[DaveEL]

some textfiles shouldn't increase the filesize of your archive ;).


but the fact that im including more programs (everything you need Avisynth dvd2avi etc) means it is quite big


btw, if you want to decrease the installer filesize, you can exclude libvorbis.dll from your package :

1. BeSweet doesn't need it, and it can use OggDS's dlls. (anyway, in order to Playback ogg/ogm, OggDS must be installed).

will do

2. since your tool is muxing a&v with nandub, in most cases, the ogg feature would be useless. (unless ppl does muxing with OggMux by theirselves).

if you have vorbis audio it will mux with oggmux. in fact only mp3 works in avi atm (have to add ac3 soon)

DaveEL

[DSPguru]

cool :cool:

[DaveEL]

ok uploading new version now with included besweet docs no other changes same file name no need to redownload.

DaveEL

[DSPguru]

appreciated.

[Apu]

How to handle the Comp. test result? Gknot calculates some % value from it so I know if it resolution good or not, but quick2pass doesn't, it only shows the number. So, what is good here?

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by Apu
How to handle the Comp. test result? Gknot calculates some % value from it so I know if it resolution good or not, but quick2pass doesn't, it only shows the number. So, what is good here?


Percentage = 100*(BPP Output/BPP Comp check)

ill get it to display a percentage soon

DaveEL

[Apu]

thanks

[damien]

Hi Dave

When trying to do an encode with Telecide enabled, the program just exits to the desktop without doing anything. The problem seems to be that 'threshold' is misspelled in the generated encode.avs.

Fixing it manually allows VDub to process the job without problems, but also kinda defeats the purpose of Q2P :-)

Cheers
damien

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by damien
Hi Dave

When trying to do an encode with Telecide enabled, the program just exits to the desktop without doing anything. The problem seems to be that 'threshold' is misspelled in the generated encode.avs.


whoops should have tested all that stuff before release, will fix in next version which is currently waiting on me fixing a bug with loading d2v files but has a nice new job queue( finally all the internal changes will pay off).

got a lot of coursework atm will update soonish hopefully.

DaveEL

[damien]

whoops should have tested all that stuff before release, will fix in next version which is currently waiting on me fixing a bug with loading d2v files but has a nice new job queue( finally all the internal changes will pay off).

Sound great. Looking forward to it :-)

--
damien

[Apu]

As I'm not so much into converting NTSC stuff I had some discussion about the decomb options with a moderator over at the german ultimateboard.info . He stated that ivtc(32,11,110) would give better results than telecide(...) and decimate(...). Have you ever thought of adding such a option or at least the possibility of editing the Avisynth script manually before encoding?

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by Apu
As I'm not so much into converting NTSC stuff I had some discussion about the decomb options with a moderator over at the german ultimateboard.info . He stated that ivtc(32,11,110) would give better results than telecide(...) and decimate(...). Have you ever thought of adding such a option or at least the possibility of editing the Avisynth script manually before encoding?

possibly add things like that at some point decomb is only added cos i needed it i can supply up to date src to anyone who wants to add stuff.

new version 0.599 (not all the stuff i said would be in 0.6 :) )

fixed :
* avi output uses the file name you tell it :)
* telecide works again


new
* job queue please test and report back even if it works lots of changes have happened so i might have broken something.
* AC3 in avi
* installer (ok so i was bored) should include everything you need to encode (smartripper dvd2avi avisynth etc etc etc) (unfortunatly its a little bigger then it used to be now ~ 3.5mb) if you choose not to install all the extra programs and use the versions you have installed press the settings button and change the locations.


http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.599.exe

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

finished the extra stuff i said would be in 0.6 so

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.6.exe

New
* Transcode of avi/avs/mpg files

DaveEL

[damien]

Just a little feedback as you requested.

I've only done a few encodes so far with v. 0.6, so there's a lot I haven't tried yet, but so far the only problem I've experienced is when you add a job and press 'cancel' in the .d2v selection box, the program pops an error message with the text 'Cannot change visible....'.

Aside from that everything is running perfectly, so thanks alot for fixing the decomb bug as fast as you did.

--
damien

[DaveEL]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by damien
[B]Just a little feedback as you requested.

I've only done a few encodes so far with v. 0.6, so there's a lot I haven't tried yet, but so far the only problem I've experienced is when you add a job and press 'cancel' in the .d2v selection box, the program pops an error message with the text 'Cannot change visible....'.


already fxied i forgot to rename the exe in the quick2pass directory if you run project1.exe from that directory instead of quick2pass.exe thats 0.6 quick2pass.exe is still 0.599 or if you want to use the shortcut the setup program creates rename project1.exe to quick2pass.exe.

Aside from that everything is running perfectly, so thanks alot for fixing the decomb bug as fast as you did.

as you said it was a simple typo and so very easy to fix.

DaveEL
(BTW i need a new name for the project as the old one is stupid anyone got any ideas?)


@apu i saw the guide you wrote just one quick question is there any reason you didnt use the internal audio transcode (btw the ac3 pointer doesnt seem to work correctly (but this may just be i dont understand the language and babelfish doesnt do a good job with it) if you want ac3 sound just load it up and close the audio processing window)?

[Rasi]

@apu i saw the guide you wrote just one quick question is there any reason you didnt use the internal audio transcode


am i blind? cant see any option like this?

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by Rasi



am i blind? cant see any option like this?

Sorry the GUI is due for a redesign next to audio size press the select button change the type to ac3 or wav and choose your file once done a new window will open with mp3/vorbis encode options (not many yet)

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

ok its not quite finished yet has some rough edges and looks awful atm but i thought id upload the work im doing on the new gui for 0.7 should be finished soon but this rough and ready form should work, but only has minimal testing so far (cos i went to the pub instead :) ). anyway its the work of only 2 days design and code so i dont expect it to be perfect:)

if reporting errors try to say which options you selected on the second screen.

currently you can only run one compression test in 0.7 this should be an interative process where you run one to start with and then set output size resolution xvid options and then can choose to run another one which will then allow you to go back and tweak these values based on the new comp check. the only other major thing which it doesnt currently do is that you have no video display when selecting the credits frames.

basically treat this as alpha, a preview of what is to come next version hopefully once finished it should fix the fact that the gui is so hard to use as i kept on adding and adding and adding to it (first version has about 2 controls on it and it kinda got out of hand so i decided to needed a complete redesign)

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.69.exe

new
* gui
* nothing i think

broken
* see above
* installer does do avisynth install properly does anyone have an NSIS script for doing this i could use i thought that what i did should work but obviously not (see thread "quick2pass prob").

DaveEL

[Gazza]

DaveEL,

I have been watching the progress of this mini-project with interest over the last few weeks and yesterday decided to use it (version quick2pass0.6) for the first time. It's very nice and easy to use. Some good work has gone into it and I appreciate your initiative and effort.

Two comments that may be useful for future builds. I found that the 'output file save as' feature didn't always work as I expected. I did two encodes of the same source (changed some parameters between encodes so I could compare with or without decomb). However, I found that even though I named the second output file differently it still used the previous file name. The other comment is the Output size feature. I like the way that Gknot does this (which I also think is very accurate with most encodes coming to within a few kb!). I will do some more tests but I find this feature a little misleading and not so accurate. Please don't think that this is a criticism but just useful feedback, as I think you have done a great job.

[Edit] - I think the file it uses is linked to the avs file only. Therefore the outputfile name becomes [filename].avs.avi.

[DaveEL]

I found that the 'output file save as' feature didn't always work as I expected. I did two encodes of the same source (changed some parameters between encodes so I could compare with or without decomb). However, I found that even though I named the second output file differently it still used the previous file name.

try running project1.exe instead of quick2pass.exe which is the real 0.6 if it still doesnt use the file name you choose then report back.




The other comment is the Output size feature. I like the way that Gknot does this (which I also think is very accurate with most encodes coming to within a few kb!). I will do some more tests but I find this feature a little misleading and not so accurate. Please don't think that this is a criticism but just useful feedback, as I think you have done a great job.

when i added this feature i said this


Calc should be possible in the next version but not as accurate as i would like as i havnt got values for audio muxing overhead. If i put it in aim for a smaller file then you normally would like if your looking for 700mb try 690mb as that should cover the overhead.

also if you use 0.69 there is a big bright red warning to this effect.

I think the file it uses is linked to the avs file only. Therefore the outputfile name becomes [filename].avs.avi.

hmm it uses that for the temp files it uses however when muxing audio it should use the file name you choose.

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

patch for above version still not final but fixes some of the bigger problems in 0.69


http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.691patch.zip

DaveEL

[damien]

hi Dave

Finally had the time to download the new version, haven't had time to test it yet though. Just wanted to let you know that the link to .069 posted yesterday (?) is wrong, it points to a non-existing .zip where it should point to an .exe

this should be the correct link http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.69.exe

--
damien

[DaveEL]

Finally had the time to download the new version, haven't had time to test it yet though. Just wanted to let you know that the link to .069 posted yesterday (?) is wrong, it points to a non-existing .zip where it should point to an .exe


ah thanx fixed the above link now. make sure you get the patch 0.69 is seriously broken in places (impossible to complete encodes if some options are selected sometimes) 0.691 while not being finished works as im using it now.

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

new patch a few more bugs fixed

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.692patch.zip

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

lots more fixes

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.693patch.zip

[flloyd]

This hasn't been updated in a long time. Has development stopped. Have you lost interest or just time? Please give us an update so that we know what the status is. Thanks.

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by CLloyd24
This hasn't been updated in a long time. Has development stopped. Have you lost interest or just time? Please give us an update so that we know what the status is. Thanks.


Sorry had exams and not quite got round to starting work again since (plus my pc is having a few problems which doesnt help) will be an update soonish. Might end up breaking avi/avs/mpg input however as i want to rearrange the gui and havnt quite worked out how they will fit in to the new version.

DaveEL

[flloyd]

Sounds great. Keep up the good work.

[flloyd]

Hmmm, I was hoping to rip a couple of movies and was patiently waiting for a new release. I guess I just want the lastest and greatest tool. Is a new release planned or has this project been dropped? It seems strange since this program seems to be the perfect tool for making XviD rips. Anyways I would love to hear the status of this project. Thanks.

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by CLloyd24
Hmmm, I was hoping to rip a couple of movies and was patiently waiting for a new release. I guess I just want the lastest and greatest tool. Is a new release planned or has this project been dropped? It seems strange since this program seems to be the perfect tool for making XviD rips. Anyways I would love to hear the status of this project. Thanks.

Sorry spent too much time drinking recently and as ive not been ripping stuff myself i havnt been working on this. However my new hard drive arrived today so i have room to start doing rips again.

bad news i have a few things to do before i can release

1) fix all the stuff i broke when i worked on it briefly the other day. (trivial 10 min job)
2) update to the new curve treatment builds. (also trivial)
2) redo the compression test code. (little bit longer)
3) upload a new build. (probably need a day to get to a net connected computer as currently my development machine is not connected)
4) rework out the mux overhead i calculated for vbr-mp3 then forgot again.
5) avoid drinking too much.

Good news

1) I should have tommorow off work :)
2) Just writing a cd with the current versions of oggmux xvid etc. so i have the stuff i need to work with.

DaveEL

PS I hope you dont use Ogg media as im going to break that in the next build till i update to the new oggmux version. (i may get round to updating to the new build depends on how the new CLI control works).

[flloyd]

Sounds Great! I will now patiently wait for your great work. Thanks so much.

[wertherman]

Well, I've just started ripping again (after stopping for about 3 weeks), so if you want some of my offsite backups of my parent's DVDs then you better get your program sorted out before I get back from Brussels (tuesday or wednesday) preferably with lots of snazzy features that mean I have to do as little user interaction as possible (top features which I would love you to add are a back button, moving the selection of the filesize and the compressibility test into the resize screen, and sorting out the credits section)....

PS: I started doing some text descriptiony thingys to go with all the different sections but I've probably lost them on my hard disk somewhere. Let me know if you want me to try and find what I've done and send it to you, for when I get back to London....

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by wertherman
top features which I would love you to add are a
back button,

Ok is easy now ive reorganised the pages will add

moving the selection of the filesize and the compressibility test
into the resize screen,

done

and sorting out the credits section)....

Working on it

PS: I started doing some text descriptiony thingys to go with all the different sections but I've probably lost them on my hard disk somewhere. Let me know if you want me to try and find what I've done and send it to you, for when I get back to London....

Yeah if you can e-mail them to me asap ill try to find some space in the gui to add them.


1) fix all the stuff i broke when i worked on it briefly the other day. (trivial 10 min job)
2) update to the new curve treatment builds. (also trivial)
3) redo the compression test code. (little bit longer)
4) upload a new build. (probably need a day to get to a net connected computer as currently my development machine is not connected)
5) rework out the mux overhead i calculated for vbr-mp3 then forgot again.
6) avoid drinking too much.


1 done, 2 done, 3 done, 4 will be done when the other stuff wertherman pointed out is finished, 5 umm possibly in time for next build, 6 ..... well i think i was being a little optimistic here.



Anyway to the point of this post im looking for ideas

I want to automate the choice of things like resolution output size etc based on the comp check value

Basically i work like this

Assume 1 cd
run comp check and find resolution thats within my desired percentage
if resolution is too low switch to 2 cds and rework resolution
If cd is undersized switch to mpeg quants.

However i know some people do other things i was just hoping that people could give me ideas about what other choices they make and the way they make them then i will implement a scripting language which will allow the program to take over these choices for you.

Also ideas for what people think the default settings should be would be useful (currently it reads the defaults from the xvid registry).

DaveEL

[wertherman]

My exact rules seem to be something along the lines of....

1) Do compressibility test
2) If at 690 MB, comp test is less than 50% at 512x???, step up to two cds.
3) Other than that, change the resolution down till I get to greater than 70% or up till I get to less than 80%....

I generally don't use mpeg quants at all (cos I've never had a film thats so compressible it needs much greater than 512 to nicely fit on one cd and I'm pretty happy with the results of H263 (or whatever it is)) but obviously with a scripting language the ability to change the xvid options would be needed.....

[DaveEL]

Not tested yet so its not 0.7 (running a test now) but if people want to try it

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.699patch.zip

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

just a quick status update Ok ive fixed 2 or 3 bugs in that last release nothing major (you need to press back when you have finished a compressibility test and you cant go back past to the audio transcode page or you will get stuck (to work round this one just go back to the first page deselect audio transcode and then select the already transcoded audio)) so its still possible to use the last build i just need to fix the oggmux code and then 0.7 should be done.

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

Ok after writing the previous message i realised how little i needed to do and the fact i at work most of this week now so i just did it quickly so presenting version 0.7 :)

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.7.exe

New since 0.6 (last real working release)

Not a lot really in terms of features
* the new gui
* the avisynth part of the installer should work now as ive used the installer posted on doom9s news page the other day.
* Oggmux shouldn't stall the job queue like it used to (i forgot something in the old oggmux but the new version of oggmux means i dont have to worry about that anymore

Thanks to all who have waited patiently for over a month for a release.

Anyway aside from scripting the options based on the analysis of the comp check what are the other things i need to improve/add (even if you asked for things before (i think ive covered most of these but i may have forgotten one or two) and i said no/not now post again and ill consider adding them again now ive got the program back to a stable state i can consider adding them again.

BTW can anyone give some advice on getting RGB video frames from within avis/avs scripts from within delphi?

DaveEL
PS is anyone still intrested in the source if so ill try to find time this week to clean it up a little and upload it.

[wertherman]

Doesn't work. Gives me an access violation whenever I attempt to load up a project file. Fortunately for you (but not so for me), it doesn't seem to be related to your latest build (at least not directly - unless the installer messed something up), as it displays the error even when I install an earlier version of your software.

PS: It's not the DVD2AVI files because one of the files I used worked fine on your previous version (as in I have an encode of it), plus I've tried recreating DVD2AVI files for both of the rips on my hard disk.

Suggestions????

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by wertherman
Doesn't work. Gives me an access violation whenever I attempt to load up a project file. Fortunately for you (but not so for me), it doesn't seem to be related to your latest build (at least not directly - unless the installer messed something up), as it displays the error even when I install an earlier version of your software.

PS: It's not the DVD2AVI files because one of the files I used worked fine on your previous version (as in I have an encode of it), plus I've tried recreating DVD2AVI files for both of the rips on my hard disk.

Suggestions????

I think i put the wrong version of dvd2avi in the installer try getting 1.76 and recreating the d2v files with this.

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

Yes it was the dvd2avi version i will try to put a new build of the installer up tonight or tommorow until then just get dvd2avi 1.76 and use that.

DaveEL

[wertherman]

Bugs:-

- Graphical bug on cropping page (the back button covers up the slider).

- Job queue seems completely broken now (as in I can't add a new item after I've added an item, even before I've started encoding).

- (from previous version but probably not fixed). If you select transcode audio without selecting include audio then you still get prompted for encoding options and then you get an audio size of -1 put in the audio file size. You also don't get a chance to select output file format. Maybe include and transcode audio should both be done in the same page but then you can't really make it optional if that is the only place where you can select output video format. Or alternatively, you could have option buttons for the audio, and give the choice of either no audio with ogm file, no audio with avi, audio (just mux) and audio encode. Might look a bit messy though.

Possible improvements:-

Adding items to job list while encoding would be nice, along with automatic saving and resuming of the job queue so that if the program crashes or something goes wrong you can carry on your queue. Combined with this, a way to just add audio encoding + comp test to the job queue either combined or seperately, cos I typically set these going at the same time, and its annoying to have to start a new job where I have to recrop and stuff in order to do the final encode.

Basic vstrip support would be nice making this more of an all in one solution......

Hiding windows while waiting upon other windows (such as virtualdub and besweet) would be nice too...

Text document thingy for in-program documentation (missing its formatting and not all of it relevant anymore but I'm sure you can cope):-


FIRST PAGE

Before you can even start using this program you need a DVD2AVI project file. In order to get this you need to first rip the DVD using either smartripper or vstrip and then load that into DVD2AVI.

Ripping using smartripper:-
1) Put the DVD into the drive.
2) Choose movie tab from the buttons along the side.
3) Expand all the titles till you find an angle whose length matches the part of the DVD you want to rip (typically the biggest title is the film).
4) Make sure copy ifo file is selected in settings and choose a target for the DVDRIP.
5) Press start to start ripping the DVD.

DVDAVI:-
1) Load up the files you have ripped into dvd2avi
2) Select preview and look at the frame rate and video type
3) If frame rate is 29.970 (NTSC) and video type is FILM 95% check force film, otherwise uncheck it.
4) Also check YUV is checked and demux all tracks.
5) Save the project file


SECOND PAGE

This is where you decide which steps of the encoding process you want to carry out.

Include Audio
If you select include audio then the first thing that will happen when you press next will be that you will be prompted for an audio file to include. You will have the choice of either an ac3 file, a wav file, an ogg file or an mp3 file. These will either be muxed into your video raw (if you specify an ogg file your video will have an ogm (Ogg Media) extension), or used as input to be transcoded if you have selected the transcode audio checkbox.

Transcode Audio
If you have selected transcode audio then you will be given the choice of how you want to transcode the audio and what output video format you want to use.

Deinterlace/IVTC
This will give you the choice of deinterlacing the source using decomb. Guides on how to use decomb can be found at www.doom9.org or elsewhere on the web. It is normally fine to leave this unchecked.

Crop
This will allow you to trim the black bars from the sides of the movie. This is recommended as it makes the source easier to encode and thus you get a better quality rip. It is best to look at several different parts of the movie while deciding where to crop as some movies have black down the side of some frames.

Setup Xvid Codec
This gives you the options to setup the xvid codec. Details of these options can be found at www.doom9.org or elsewhere on the web. The defaults will probably give you a reasonable encode.

Compressibility test
This will do a compressibility test (which involves doing a first pass on small amounts of the video at regular intervals), in order to determine how well the video compresses. You can then compare the ratio of bits/pixel in the first pass with the ratio of bits/pixel you were planning with the resolution you were planning on encoding the movie at, and by aiming at a certain percentage. This is recommended as it doesn't take very long, and allows you to more accurately choose a resolution for the movie.

Credits Treatment
This will allow you to encode the credits of the video at lower quality than the rest of the movie. This is useful because credits are typically encoded at far too high quality as they consist of a lot of sharp text that is relatively hard to encode. However, as the credits generally just have to be readable it is unnecessary to expend this many bits in encoding them. This step is recommended only if the credits consist of white text on a black background, not if they have video behind them.

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by wertherman
Bugs:-

- Graphical bug on cropping page (the back button covers up the slider).


I know but
1)If i make the gui and bigger it doesnt fit in 800x600
2)You can still use the slider and its not covered up too much
ill reoranise it later but it works so not a priority.


- Job queue seems completely broken now (as in I can't add a new item after I've added an item, even before I've started encoding).

weird i must have forgotten to reenable the button when you finish adding a job.


- (from previous version but probably not fixed). If you select transcode audio without selecting include audio then you still get prompted for encoding options and then you get an audio size of -1 put in the audio file size. You also don't get a chance to select output file format. Maybe include and transcode audio should both be done in the same page but then you can't really make it optional if that is the only place where you can select output video format. Or alternatively, you could have option buttons for the audio, and give the choice of either no audio with ogm file, no audio with avi, audio (just mux) and audio encode. Might look a bit messy though.

No point in selecting output file format if you have no audio ogg has no advantage over avi for video only (at least until we have real XCD tools IMO).


Possible improvements:-

Adding items to job list while encoding would be nice,


need to do a bit of work on the encoding threads to use different file names but should be easy enough

Along with automatic saving and resuming of the job queue so that if the program crashes or something goes wrong you can carry on your queue.

hard to do possibly later currently no way exists to do this as the job queue is a load of threads which are executed when they get to the front of the queue not really data which can be saved as such ill have to redesign my queue for this.


Combined with this, a way to just add audio encoding + comp test to the job queue either combined or seperately, cos I typically set these going at the same time, and its annoying to have to start a new job where I have to recrop and stuff in order to do the final encode.


i wont allow these to be part of a queue till i have automated encoding then it will be able to encode the audio and run the comp check and then follow the rules you give it to decide how to encode.


Basic vstrip support would be nice making this more of an all in one solution......


this combined with the above would be cool give it a dvd and an output file name and let it run.


Hiding windows while waiting upon other windows (such as virtualdub and besweet) would be nice too...



could be done I will be rewriting the protection to stop you going too far till the audio encode/comp check is done so you can set up the whole encode while these are running so it would not be wanted once that is added. (so while you do an audio encode you can also set up cropping and run a comp test).

DaveEL
(if you have any more of documentation e-mail it to me).

[wertherman]

I thought you might have noticed the graphical bug :-) But I thought I'ld post it anyway, just because otherwise I wouldn't be a very efficient tester.....

As for the include/transcode audio bug which I copied and pasted I did go on a bit, a better way of dealing with the problem would just be to display a message when somebody didn't select include audio but did select transcode audio (as they would have done wrong!!!).....

As for the queue, couldn't you have the thread objects store extra data that would allow you to recreate the thread if you loaded that data from disk (you probably don't need to save much more than input avs, output filenames and virtual dub job files).

I haven't got any more documentation and I don't like e-mail anymore (telnet/webmail never seems to get enough bandwidth when you have about 6 things downloading and 4 uploading and I'm still using AOL (and their gamble of giving me a free month payed off as they've managed to bill me for an extra month while I lost track of time (they billed me yesterday)). Boo hoo, maybe I'll run AOL as well as the ADSL for the next month just to spite them (and get that extra little bit more bandwidth)........

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by wertherman

As for the include/transcode audio bug which I copied and pasted I did go on a bit, a better way of dealing with the problem would just be to display a message when somebody didn't select include audio but did select transcode audio (as they would have done wrong!!!).....


Fixed cant select trancode audio without include audio now


As for the queue, couldn't you have the thread objects store extra data that would allow you to recreate the thread if you loaded that data from disk (you probably don't need to save much more than input avs, output filenames and virtual dub job files).

virtualdub job file are written by the threads so the info to create them would need to be stored but ill take a look.


Anyway 0.71
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/quick2pass0.71.exe

* above select trancode and not include audio bug fixed.
* Can add jobs after starting the queue.
* think i included the right version of dvd2avi this time.
* another bug fixed that i found but i cant remember what it was :)

DaveEL

[wertherman]

Bug: Use of back button to get to the starting screen causes program to prompt for a DVD2AVI file again when you press next again, and then gives continuous mpeg2dec.dll access violations until quick2pass is ended.......


Um, if the virtualdub job files are written by the threads that does make it a lot more complicated I do admit, though you could always have 2 actions that the thread can do (ie, you run it once to add it to the queue(with a certain parameter)) and it sets up the job files it needs (returning some job queue item object that can be written to disc easily).

Then you can run it again (with a different parameter) in order to pop it off the top of the job queue in your program.

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by wertherman
Bug: Use of back button to get to the starting screen causes program to prompt for a DVD2AVI file again when you press next again, and then gives continuous mpeg2dec.dll access violations until quick2pass is ended.......



Ill get it fixed tonight if i get time.

DaveEL

[wertherman]

Problem with your crop search algorithm....

448x176 PAL 16:9
User cropping 0 from left, 0 from right, 76 from top, 78 from bottom

If maximum crop is set to 20 to 33, finds solution with AR error of 0.0027
If maximum crop is set to 17,18,19 finds solution with AR error of 0.0031
If maximum crop is set to 10,11,12,13,14,15,16 finds solution with AR error of 0.0019

Is it me, or is that a bit messed up??? Seems to crop all sides by 10 and decide thats the best solution for any maximum crop set to 20 and greater on this movie....

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by wertherman
Problem with your crop search algorithm....

448x176 PAL 16:9
User cropping 0 from left, 0 from right, 76 from top, 78 from bottom

If maximum crop is set to 20 to 33, finds solution with AR error of 0.0027
If maximum crop is set to 17,18,19 finds solution with AR error of 0.0031
If maximum crop is set to 10,11,12,13,14,15,16 finds solution with AR error of 0.0019

Is it me, or is that a bit messed up??? Seems to crop all sides by 10 and decide thats the best solution for any maximum crop set to 20 and greater on this movie....

Hmm i seem to have messed something up ill take a look at it.

DaveEL

[TheHeap]

Hi there.. First thx for this fine tool.
Are there any plans to let it build an entire ISO compliant mpeg4 file?
Because currently i have to let it build the audioless xvid_avi, then use aacmachine to transcode the ac3, and afterwards mux the streams together.
Thats only some mouseclicks, but i have to look for the whole process and can#t let it run overnight, and so i cant use the nice job feature..
I don't think it would be that different to add it, because we already create mp3/ogg and mux it, so there would only be one button more, for the other executables.

i am sorry if that was asked before, but i couldn't find something.

gr33tz and keep up the good work

TheHeap

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by TheHeap
Hi there.. First thx for this fine tool.
Are there any plans to let it build an entire ISO compliant mpeg4 file?
Because currently i have to let it build the audioless xvid_avi, then use aacmachine to transcode the ac3, and afterwards mux the streams together.
Thats only some mouseclicks, but i have to look for the whole process and can#t let it run overnight, and so i cant use the nice job feature..
I don't think it would be that different to add it, because we already create mp3/ogg and mux it, so there would only be one button more, for the other executables.

i am sorry if that was asked before, but i couldn't find something.

gr33tz and keep up the good work

TheHeap

Yeah shouldnt be too hard i havnt done MP4 files before so ill have to have a look through the guides but ill give it a go

DaveEL

[alx]

Hi, this post its to know if there any news about this good program? or it is just frozen like AUTODUB, which last version was 1.6....

Last version is 0.71?...

Thanks for the good work.
Alx

[DaveEL]

Thought i should finally answer this one.

Yes development is dead and i have no plans to countinue it for now.
A similar program may rise from the current project im working on avs2avi (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36768).

I just added support for pausing and resuming encodes (currently single pass only) and b-frames to avs2avi. When i get pause and resume to work with xvid 2 pass i will use this as the basis for a new program which will allow background encoding. (No more leaving computers on overnight to encode just leave it running in the backgound and shut your computer down when you want.)

DaveEL

[DaveEL]

Ok i finally got round to putting the source code up for the last version. Doubt anyone will use it but some people requested it a while back. (i wont work with currrent codecs the xvid config struct will need updating first if anyone wanted to do this and need some help drop me a message).

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~del100/q2psrc.zip

DaveEL

[((( atom )))]

(No more leaving computers on overnight to encode just leave it running in the backgound and shut your computer down when you want.) YES! - please go and do so! i would be the biggest fan of yours...

[DaveEL]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
YES! - please go and do so! i would be the biggest fan of yours...

Its done already with the two pass support now (ive pointed you to the thread before) just needs testing so go download and test :).

DaveEL

[((( atom )))]

you mean avs2avi? i tried it several times, not with much luck. also for resuming, it would have to be supported in the gui (wasn't, wen i last tried it..), because i am lazy with comman-lines..

anyway, i am sometimes watching the thread and i am waiting it for me to work. i will give it another try soon.

thx + greetings..

[mfluder]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
you mean avs2avi? i tried it several times, not with much luck. also for resuming, it would have to be supported in the gui (wasn't, wen i last tried it..), because i am lazy with comman-lines..
I updated the GUI a few weeks ago so it supports resuming now. Just go to page 8 of that avs2avi thread and you'll find it attached to my post.

mfluder

[((( atom )))]

ah, on my way! i'll test it right away! thx a lot!