compatibility between different versions of the ogg DS filter

[paco]

Howdy! :)
I've muxed an ogm file using divx5 pro as video and ogg vorbis as audio (2 tracks), using the 0.9.8.6 filter.
When I use the two newer versions (0.9.8.7 or 0.9.8.8) playback is fine in wmp 6.4, but there are a few issues: If i press esc (to pause playback), the player crashes. I also get a crash upon exiting wmp.
Both crashes are reproducable.
The file plays fine using the v6 filter, i.e. the one i used to encode the ogm file.

Anyone else seen this?

regards,
per

[paco]

I tried to remux the file in graphedit using the ogm file and the two original ogg soundtracks, using the 0.9.8.8 filter, but that doesn't work either - graphedit just crashes :(
I am using build 11008 of graphedit.
If someone would please try to reproduce my findings, I'd appreciate it. Try muxing using 0.9.8.6 and then playback using a more recent version of the filter.
Btw, I am using win xp pro.

regards,
per

[MaTTeR]

Hi Paco,

ATM I'm forced to mux using 8.6 as well because any of the newer versions also crash GraphEdit(many version) for me on WinXP. However, after I mux and then playback a 5.1 track with 8.8 I see no problems at all. However, I don't use WiMP for playback as ZoomPlayer, BSplayer and PowerDivx 4(not public) work fine for me.

[paco]

Thanks for replying :)

Tried all the other players you mentioned on the file, using the 8.8 filter. None worked reliably, i.e. they crashed after some seeking, pausing and such. Going back to the 8.6 filter was the only thing that worked.
The file was muxed with the language variable set in the ogg multiplexer for my two stereo audio tracks (music vid with live and cd track:). I saw someone mentioning this in another thread. Could that be the problem?

edit: nah, problem is not with the multiplexer language settings. Hope Tobias can find the problem and fix it. Go Tobias! :D

p

[MaTTeR]

Paco,

Try and mux without setting the language. It could be the problem. The other thing you can try is to use Koepi's new Ogg muxer. You'll find a thread in the same forum on the topic.

Good luck

BTW- I'm sure Tobias is looking at all the feedback and will release a version to address the issue. ATM he's a very busy guy;)

[Abismo]

I seem to be having problems with the latest release of the ds filter ( the 6 channel support) all my previous files, they play right, but theres HUGE amounts of nosiey in the background, and the vocals are in this freakish slowmo. Pretty sure it has to do with the added 6channel support.. anyway, now i'm looking for the previous version here. Sigh.

[MaTTeR]

@Abismo

Please be more specific as to what player and settings you were using with the player. AFAIK, 5.1 Ogg Vorbis should be played back using Direct Show(works great for me). If Wave Out is used, then the Vorbis file seems to play back in slow motion with strange effects.

EDIT- This may need to be added to the FAQ now. I'll speak to the mods.

[Abismo]

Wmp 6.4 , Cant remember the version number of the ogg dsf , think it was .6? or .7, I dont remember testing it with the version .7 ... But,when i tried playing my files in wmp ( using the ogg dsf .8 ) the audio was totally screwed up. I mean bad bad bad. Anyway , the audio , the vocals were in slowmo, while the music was all static (best way I can describe it), kinda like when a tv station goes off the air? Trying to find the .0.9.8.7 Ogg filter atm, see if they work properly with my .ogm... but I'm pretty sure I encoded with .6 version.

[MaTTeR]

8.6 appears to be most stable IMHO, I'm judging by the amount of user reports.

Might I suggest using another player besides WiMP. I doubt WiMP lets you control the audio device like other players do. Again, Direct Sound should work best along side 8.6 of the Ogg DS.

[Abismo]

Figured much, I can't stand most other players :P , only one I've used besides wmp 6.4 is sasami.. Anyway, got a link for 8.6? Trying to find the damn thing.. Keep getting the latest release.

[SSJ4_Gojita]

Everything since 0.9.8.6 has worked fine for me, only problems I'm having is the problem I've posted previously about. A couple subs are still being skipped for some reason although this was supposed to be fixed.

[TobiasWaldvogel]

There was a bug in the memory management of 0.9.8.7 and 0.9.8.8
Please update to 0.9.8.9.

Best regards,
Tobias

[Abismo]

Tobias , still getting the screwed up audio playback even witht he new 8.9 filter :( Let me uninstall reboot and reinstall.. See if thats the problem

[MaTTeR]

@Abismo

I still think your problem isn't related to the Ogg DS. You need to verify whether your player is using Direct Sound or Wave Out.

I can reproduce exactly what you describe as a problem if I use Wave Out as the device. Please verify this so Tobias might not have to track down a ghost;)

[Abismo]

alrighty let me look

[Abismo]

Welp Under both 8.6 and 8.9 , the properies says its using Direct Sound, and not wav out. Opened it up in Graph Edit to, same thing.

Anytime I try using anything besides the 8.6, I get the screwed up audio, when I revert back, all of them are gone.

[MaTTeR]

Well that is a strange problem then...what sound card are you using again?

Under BSplayer or PowerDivx its very easy to control the aduio device. On my PC I select use "Fortissmo II Direct Sound Device" as an example. I quit out of the apps, relaunch and then open the OGM up and it plays perfectly. As I said before, setting this to Wave Out gives me the distortin that you refer to.

BTW- Just because GraphEdit displays a Direct Sound filter in the graph doesn't mean your player is forced to use it. You need to verify the player is using Direct Sound. I'm starting to sound like a broken record here:D

[Abismo]

Using the Hercules Game Theater XP . I might be sounding like a broken record to, but if it was wave out problem, whouldn't I see it in 8.6 ? Just a thought. All I know is , currently , my ogm files will not play audio correctly unless I'm using 8.6... Dunno why , just that how it is. Under Wmp, it says DIRECT Sound. No waveout to be seen anywhere I can try another player if you like.

[MaTTeR]

I don't use WiMP so I'm not sure I can offer anymore help until other players have been tried as I mention above.

This is a 2ch file your trying to playback right? If you have a small clip that I can download I'll be more than happy. It could be some sort of conflict with DirectShow and your Hercules card. I'm using the Fortissmo without issue though.

[Abismo]

Sigh somethings definetally wrong here, i go and install ogg 8.9 on my sisters computer.. with the latest cvs from umanic as my plackback for video etc.. audio is perfect! I'm like ok, so i try my computer again... Audio is fubbored.... Damn thing let me try my brothers..

I just don't understand why its screwing up..

[Abismo]

I found something very awkward here, Morgan Stream switcher...Can't really remember where i got it, but compareing it to my other computer here, the other computer does not have this... hmm

[MaTTeR]

:devil:

You might have noticed in my FAQ that I state Morgan Stream can be very evil and can cause very nasty things;)

EDIT- I think Doom9's audiofilters.zip will install it by default or maybe that's an older version I'm thinking of.

[Abismo]

didnt read your faq :P anyway , I found where the damn thing is , having some problems getting rid of morgan

[MaTTeR]

Originally posted by Abismo
didnt read your faq :P

That was my point!

regsvr32 /u filename should unregister it and the players shouldn't display it in the properties anymore.

[Abismo]

well matter damn thing whouldnt unregester it self, so i went in via regedit deleted the damn thing there etc.. deleted the files from the computer, so now its not showing up under the properties during playback, but the issue is still there, which leads me to beleive that basterd of a switcher is hiding its ugly head.. sigh...

[MaTTeR]

Like I said above..it shouldn't be displayed in the player filter properties during playback now. Did you check? Please check more than just WiMP before replying. PowerDivx, Zoom Player or BSplayer allows filter access just by right clicking on the movie window. If you see the Morgan filter listed in the submenu then it's still loaded. If not then it's most likely gone.

[Abismo]

Matter , tried both bsplayer and zoom, no luck , both programs crash when trying to load a .ogm file.... checked the properties.. no Morgan to be seen, but still getting these issues..

8.6 works correctly though, but still, having those issues with 8.9 etc...

[MaTTeR]

Well since you successfully played the OGM on a seperate PC then something is obviously causing the strange distortions on your PC. I'm all of out help at this point, sorry to say. At this point all you can do is go through and determine what filters you have installed, if they aren't needed then de-register them.

[Abismo]

Well thanks for all your help Matter. I'l try some things out etc.. but thanks again