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SkoalWintergreen
9th March 2002, 19:32
If you really want an easy fail safe method then try this, it has worked amazing for me without any problems ever, this is for just the movie and it dosent' involve IFOedit (still a great program.)

1. Get DVD Maestro, Smartripper, CCE (Maybe), and pulldown (maybe), program called DVTool (maybe)

2. Rip the angle you want just the movie, except in smart ripper, demux all the files your going to want to use, its understreamripping, you uncheck the boxes you dont' want and the boxes you do want, then off to the side it has a demux to seperate file. Then rip away and you'll have your AC3 tracks, subtitles and the movie in .m2v form.

3. Check to see if your files combined are less then the required amount, make sure theres about 100mb of lee-way, so highlight them all right click and you'll see a really big number something like 4,545,232,211, this is your file size in bytes, it only has to be less then 4,700,000,000, b/c this is actual bytes if it is skip to the Maesto step

4. Okay your audio file and Movie are too big for the DVD, so we need to reencode use CCE its the best people. To find out the correct bitrate don't worry about the movie at all, just click your audio file, don't right click, and at the bottom of windows you'll see a number like 432mb, thats the size of your audio file, if you have more then one select both of them and do the same thing, lets assume your only using one file, so take 432 and subtract it, from 4400, that right use 4400, sometimes 4450 will work and sometimes 4500 work, but either of these 3 numbers works really well so you end up with 3968, not University 400 level math we can all do this. So now we have a workable mb size for our movie

5. Fire up the tool DVTool .24, easy to find its feeware, from there goto the second tab and you'll see an obvious bitrate calculator, enter the movie length say 123 min, and then under audio click 0 (we already took care of the audio) and then you'll have a section for CD Size, well enter your 3968, and cool, we have a nice bitrate to work with in CCE, for this movie we would get 4404, remember that

6. Now run your movie through DVD2AVI, this is easy folks don't get caught up in all the options and crap, load the m2v file, don't worry about the preview, click it if you want just to check things out, then make sure you have forced frames on if you have a NTSC movies, yes you have to check this for NTSC, and then click SAVE Project, you'll have a little file thats .d2v, from there load that into VFAPI Converter, again easy to find Doom9 has it, i'm sure we've all seen it in SVCD crap, and make yourself an avi.

7. CCE, load your AVI into CCE, works perfect for setting to multipass bitrate, I don't like roboshots crap you can use it if you want I just do 2 or 3 pass VBR, it works great, and change the settings, make sure ther fine, (Timecode to 00:00:00:00, and that setting where you change the 3 to 4) most of this is in roboshots guide, then let CCE do its thing

8. once you have your CCE mpv file change the framerate with pulldown, real easy just use dos prompt

9. Now fire up DVD Maestro and load your files, the converted video (or orginal if you didn't use CCE), and then in DVD Maestro click movie and drag your movie into the movie spot, and audio into audio spot, wow NO sync issues b/c they use AC3 timecodes, from there you have to set the firstplay, real easy, and you have a working movie, and click Ctrl+C or menu-compile, and slect a directory

10. Now you'll have all your files on your HD in an AUDIO_TS directory or a VIDEO_TS, from there burn with your choice

THis method is so easy, seems like a lot, but you can burn a movie that rips under 4.7 gig in way under an hour, 15 minutes of ripping, 10 minutes importing, and putting together, 20 minutes compiling, and then an hour burning. Its so simple and fail proof it never screws up, and then you can do a real easy CCE converstion if you need too.

PS. Chapter Points, if you want chapter, I know i do, you can do it in Maestro real easy, you just click the points in the movie, when SmartRipper rips, you'll have a .txt file that has all the timecodes of the chapters just use those.

tyee
10th March 2002, 01:47
Thanks for summarizing the procedure I have been using Skoal. It is so easy just like you say. The only difference I use is the method to calculate bitrate for the movie. Just grab any old calculator. SiC mentioned this method recently that never fails him --

Video Average bitrate(kbps) = 580000/movie(minutes) - Audio(kbps)

This equation is based on a DVD-R disc size of approx. 4.35GB. I worked out the math and it works.

Tyee

jeffnoone
10th March 2002, 08:21
SkoalWintergreen, thanks for the description

Can you explain more on the AC3 timecode issue, or post a link?

Up to now, I have been demuxing single angle vob's with Smartripper, then using DVD2AVI to demux the AC3 stream. In demuxing it, DVD2AVI labels the file with a delay (?gets this from the AC3 timecode) - once I have my final .mpv, I mux these in DVDMAestro and adjust the AC3 start time according to the delay figure

Your method seems easier
Is there anywhere that a setting needs to be made to get DVDMaestro to use AC3 timecodes?

I see that Smartripper does label the AC3 file with a delay (18ms in the case of movie I am doing now), but the timecode is additional info embedded in file?

Is the synch always perfect even after CCE?

Thanx
Jeff

SkoalWintergreen
10th March 2002, 19:57
ACE timecodes are just in the AC3 stream, if you use smartripper and stream rip the AC3 file, then you can just load that ac3 file into DVD Maestro and from there load it into the first audio track, and it will be in perfect sync, this will also be in perfect sync if you use CCE, works everytime, even if there is a delay it won't matter b/c the timecodes tell Maestro how to line it up, so all you have to do is drag and drop into audio 1 and it'll be fine.

mikeathome
11th March 2002, 11:53
Hi,

just to outline:
DVD2AVI does not touch the timecodes as well. No need to adjust anything.

mike

jackjohnson24
11th March 2002, 21:12
SkoalWintergreen, since u're method is similar to robshots method, using u're method, do the dvds still retain the menus and extras since u're re-encoding the movie? Also does u're method give better quality results than robshots since u're trying to fit just one movie on a dvd-r or is it about the same. Have u tried this method on a long movie, something like almost 3 hours long to see how the quality would turn out.

SkoalWintergreen
12th March 2002, 07:19
No you don't get any menus at all, this is a movie only guide, unless you want to re-author movies, and CCE's quality is Superior to anything by far, and compared to Roboshot, the quality is a lot better with one movie b/c of the bitrate I'm doing the movies at, i've also done my method with Pearl Harbor, I think the bitrate was around 2700, and it still looks great, I just ripped both videos and ran them through CCE and authored with DVD Maestro, everything looks great, and I got it on one disc, how I want it, even though most people wouldn't do this.

Mosaic
26th May 2002, 04:57
I been having probs reauthoring Star wars.

When shall I use pulldown ...after I rencode using all Noninterlace/progressive settings?

Is pulldown necessary b4 authoring?

I observe that when still framing DVD settop playback it treats 24 frames as 1 sec. I check the TV monitor for this.
Also I SEE NO sign of WWSSW pull down ...If there were pulldown there would be fields in at least 2 frames of any 5. All I see are 5 frames ..rock solid using MOTION BLUR for motion - NOT 2 fields with different images.