IDEA : If OGG can handle errors in streams, could we use something like vcd ?

[ChristianHJW]

Allow me to bump this up again ... its too good to forget it.

Anybody knows by chance what mode and form a S-VCD is using and how WinDVD or PowerDVD can read the data ( 795 MB on a 700 MB CD ) on S-VCD playback ? Is there maybe another DirectShowFilter we could use for our purpose, like with the 'abused' iviaudio.ax for AC3 playback ?

[Neo Neko]

It is ISO Mode 2 Form 2 A.K.A. ISO-9660 Whitebook spec. I am still digging up info on it, but it should be something that any experienced coder especially a linux coder could do with realitive ease methinks. Probably way out of my coding skills league though. I was thinking it should be possible to moddify the source to Linux mkisofs for this purpose. I have gotten the source and have been sifting through the code. Plenty of usefull structures and some info on the CDFs. I can't say I have a full understanding of the code or how to moddify it though. But I will keep wading through it as time permits.

[yokem55]

Another linux proggy that has win32 binaries that I fooled around with is "vcdimager" (www.vcdimager.org) but I didn't have much success with it. As far as I can tell, it basically builds a mode 2 form 2 .bin file with a .cue sheet to go along with it. The documentation I think says you can use it to put any file in the bin file with the larger mode 2 form2 user data space, but I wasn't able to get it to work....I had planned on asking about it on thier message board, but didn't get around to it yet....

[ChristianHJW]

I will ask the author of TSCV ( www.ttool.de ) about it ... he is a very nice and helpful person ...

This seems to be the way to go, why reinvent the wheel when the whole thing is already existing and working for S-VCDs ... just the DirectShowFilter for direct playback from the disc might be a problem, but we'll see .... i was using a similar tool to VCDimager called VCDGear when i was trying to extract the MPEG2 data from a mode 2 form 2 S-VCD to HDD .... Windows alone cant access the data.

[mNEMOsyne]

hi christian!
did you get any answer?
please don't loose this idea. it would be nice to get +100mb on each cd.
maybe we could get koepi to work on the mkisofs source or joerg schilling, coder of cdrecord...
i'd really like to see that working....
regards mNEMO

[chepe36]

have anyone tried contacting the developers of nero or fire burner or something like that i know that nero is developed by a big company but who knows maybe.
please this is a great great idea!! we have to know how to burn in level 2

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Originally posted by chepe36
have anyone tried contacting the developers of nero or fire burner or something like that i know that nero is developed by a big company but who knows maybe.
please this is a great great idea!! we have to know how to burn in level 2

hello Nero Team!

i have a suggestion: there are new formats emerging that are error tolerant just like mpeg1 and mpeg2 (VCD and SVCD). one of them is ogg... recenlty i have created some video files with vorbis sound codec, divx5 video codec multiplexed into ogg. the result is error tolerant, so i could burn it on cd without error correction just like (S)VCD... thus havin ~800MB on a 80 min cdr

is there any way that you could support this kind of burning? with a plugin or something that is hidden from the main public if you are affraid of the support.

fyi, i've already burned such an ogg file as normal audio cd and then grabbed it back and it played without problems. but i need such a cd that i can read directly from, just like VCD.

thanks in advance,

- attila.


the developers of nero are rather flexible... hope they listen.

[chepe36]

anything yet?

[Neo Neko]

No nothing yet. If anyone knows any coders or can code themselves we need to get some recruting done. This is a project I do not think I can do myself, yet I would love to see done. I were to do so by myself it would be a long arduous process.