Open benchmark: A/V sync (lipsync) across screen/HDMI recorders

[andratek]

Been digging into screen/HDMI recording internals for a while, and one thing that bugs me is how little anyone actually measures A/V sync drift instead of eyeballing it.

So I built a small diagnostic tool that reads the MP4 structurally (mdhd/elst edit-list boxes, etc.) and reports the real audio/video offset in milliseconds — not "does it look synced," an actual number.

Ran it against Bandicam and EaseUS RecExperts on identical clips: residual offset landed anywhere from ~10ms to ~40ms, with no drift correction over time — the offset doesn't shrink, it just sits there (or slowly grows on longer files).

OBS is the interesting one, specifically for HDMI capture. Officially it's a fine, capable recorder, but its own forums have threads https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/capture-cards-gradual-audio-desync-help-pls.113124/reporting the same pattern across multiple different HDMI capture cards (Elgato 4K Pro, AverMedia Live Gamer II, Magewell HDMI Capture Plus): sync is fine at first, then desyncs specifically after 1-2 hours. One user in that thread isolated it by recording the same source with a GoPro straight to disk (bypassing OBS entirely) with no drift, which points at the OBS pipeline itself rather than the capture hardware. Another case https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/audio-drift-when-using-monitor-only.164590/ with an Elgato 4K60 Pro Mk2 showed the same thing — noticeable delay after about an hour, confirmed to disappear when bypassing OBS. Root cause seems to be physics, not settings: your audio interface has its own internal clock, OBS timestamps frames off the system clock, and a typical ~50ppm clock mismatch alone adds up to roughly 0.18s of drift per hour — which is why short clips look perfect and 2-hour recordings don't.

Haven't run numbers yet on Action! or ShadowPlay/ReLive — if anyone here uses those regularly, curious what your longer recordings look like.

Post your recorder + recording length and I'll run the file through the tool for a second opinion, or grab it yourself and check your own footage. Not claiming this is exhaustive — just tired of "trust me it's synced" being the default answer.

[andratek]

Been digging into screen/HDMI recording internals for a while, and one thing that bugs me is how little anyone actually measures A/V sync drift instead of eyeballing it.

So I built a small diagnostic tool that reads the MP4 structurally (mdhd/elst edit-list boxes, etc.) and reports the real audio/video offset in milliseconds — not "does it look synced," an actual number.

Ran it against Bandicam and EaseUS RecExperts on identical clips: residual offset landed anywhere from ~10ms to ~40ms, with no drift correction over time — the offset doesn't shrink, it just sits there (or slowly grows on longer files).

OBS is the interesting one, specifically for HDMI capture. Officially it's a fine, capable recorder, but its own forums have threads https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/capture-cards-gradual-audio-desync-help-pls.113124/reporting the same pattern across multiple different HDMI capture cards (Elgato 4K Pro, AverMedia Live Gamer II, Magewell HDMI Capture Plus): sync is fine at first, then desyncs specifically after 1-2 hours. One user in that thread isolated it by recording the same source with a GoPro straight to disk (bypassing OBS entirely) with no drift, which points at the OBS pipeline itself rather than the capture hardware. Another case https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/audio-drift-when-using-monitor-only.164590/ with an Elgato 4K60 Pro Mk2 showed the same thing — noticeable delay after about an hour, confirmed to disappear when bypassing OBS. Root cause seems to be physics, not settings: your audio interface has its own internal clock, OBS timestamps frames off the system clock, and a typical ~50ppm clock mismatch alone adds up to roughly 0.18s of drift per hour — which is why short clips look perfect and 2-hour recordings don't.

Haven't run numbers yet on Action! or ShadowPlay/ReLive — if anyone here uses those regularly, curious what your longer recordings look like.

Post your recorder + recording length and I'll run the file through the tool for a second opinion, or grab it yourself and check your own footage. Not claiming this is exhaustive — just tired of "trust me it's synced" being the default answer.

AthenaRecorder — ~2h recording, A/V sync result

Recording length: 1h 58m (7082.57s)
Recorder: AthenaRecorder
Ran through the diagnostic tool afterward:

Video duration (mdhd): 7082.566s
Audio duration (mdhd): 7082.566s
Difference: -0.000s (-0.0000%)
Effective A/V difference: +0.000s
[OK] Difference within acceptable margin (<= 0.3s, elst discounted)
[OK] No structural problems detected. Container appears consistent.

Zero drift, even at ~2 hours — no elst compensation needed, the raw numbers already land at 0.000s. This is the kind of result I was talking about: no mixer board, no external audio interface, no expensive capture gear, just the recorder's own sync handling.

Screenshot from the tool attached.

Who's next? Post your recorder + length and I'll take a look, or run it yourself.

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[GeoffreyA]

Is there a link to the tool?

[Z2697]

How a same length would indicate a perfect sync?

[andratek]

Is there a link to the tool?

@GeoffreyA — here you go: https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9pkqq1hj9x47 (AthenaDoctor). It's free, no ads/telemetry — full disclosure, it's another tool from the same shop as AthenaRecorder (https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9p1zh126jq57 / andratek.com), so take that for what it's worth. It reads the container structure (moov/mdat, mdhd duration per track, elst offset) and flags mismatches — that's what generated the numbers/screenshot I posted above.

Worth noting: that ~2h result was captured on a plain notebook with a USB/HDMI capture card and an HDMI splitter — no mixer board, no external audio interface. Just wanted to be clear about the setup since it's relevant to the drift discussion above.

[andratek]

How a same length would indicate a perfect sync?

Fair question — duration match alone wouldn't settle it. The tool also logs the clock relationship once per second throughout the whole recording (not just start/end): cumulative ppm converges to near-zero within the first ~30s and stays there for the rest of the ~2h session, ending at 0.0 ppm cumulative. (First sample is discarded — it's a known startup calibration artifact, not real drift.) So it's continuous tracking across ~7000 data points, not just an aggregate duration check.

[GeoffreyA]

Thank you, andratek. I will give it a try.

[andratek]

Thank you, andratek. I will give it a try.

Ok! I will wait your feedback!

[GeoffreyA]

Ok! I will wait your feedback!

I will test further, but found that films, consisting of various video codecs and Apple AAC-LC, muxed with MP4Box are showing greater than 0.3 seconds desynchronisation.

[andratek]

I will test further, but found that films, consisting of various video codecs and Apple AAC-LC, muxed with MP4Box are showing greater than 0.3 seconds desynchronisation.

Ok! Let me know.

[Z2697]

I would prefer a non M$ store download link 100%

[andratek]

I would prefer a non M$ store download link 100%

https://github.com/miguelandradedotcom/athenarecorder/releases/download/1.0/AthenaRecorder_Setup_1.0.2.0.exe

[Z2697]

https://github.com/miguelandradedotcom/athenarecorder/releases/download/1.0/AthenaRecorder_Setup_1.0.2.0.exe

OK but this is not AthenaDoctor

[andratek]

OK but this is not AthenaDoctor

https://github.com/miguelandradedotcom/athenadoctor/releases/download/athenadoctor/AthenaDoctor_Setup_1.0.0.0.exe

[GeoffreyA]

andratek,

The tool finds desync when the durations are slightly different. But that does not imply audio-video desynchronisation?

[andratek]

andratek,

The tool finds desync when the durations are slightly different. But that does not imply audio-video desynchronisation?

Andratek AthenaRecorder Options tab print:

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@GeoffreyA,You raise a completely valid point: looking solely at raw track durations (mdhd) doesn't automatically prove synchronization, especially since hardware crystals and PLLs can drift over long 1-to-2-hour sessions due to thermal changes.However, the diagnostic and recording pipeline handles this actively rather than just leaving it to chance:Real-Time PPM and Clock Tracking: Instead of assuming a static clock, the recording system actively monitors hardware clock deviations second by second, generating a dedicated audio clock diagnostic log (audioclock_diag.txt) that tracks instantaneous and cumulative PPM drift. Adaptive Sample Rate Handling: During capture, the system dynamically adjusts its internal sample rate handling (for example, operating at calculated rates like 48003.3 Hz within a calibrated tolerance range) to absorb hardware clock discrepancies in real time. Precise End-Session Alignment: Upon stopping, the muxer doesn't just blindly dump raw durations; it performs exact tail-sync and trimming adjustments (such as audio-trim-exact and residual buffer flush corrections) to lock the audio and video timelines together down to the exact sample. So while a raw structural mismatch alone doesn't guarantee desync, the underlying recorder actively measures crystal drift and applies precise corrections during muxing to prevent long-term drift from ruining the sync.

[andratek]

OBS and Bandicam generally do not implement a dynamic linear regression algorithm to correct crystal oscillator drift out of the box; instead, they rely on nominal sample rates and system timestamps, which often leads to gradual audio/video desync over long 1-to-2-hour recordings.

Interestingly, this problem was effectively solved decades ago by VirtualDub, which pioneered robust audio resampling techniques using linear regression to lock audio and video timelines together seamlessly during long captures.

The proprietary Smart Sync algorithm in Andratek AthenaRecorder utilizes a technique similar to VirtualDub, employing mathematical linear regression to continuously correct A/V sync drift during long recordings.

[andratek]

However, AthenaRecorder redefines the technical standard of precision and engineering for a very critical industry segment: long-duration continuous recording with affordable hardware.

Where the Technical Redefinition Occurs
Breaking the Professional Hardware Paradigm: Traditionally, ensuring absolute synchronization (zero A/V sync drift) over several hours required mixing consoles with Word Clock, Genlock equipment, or industrial-grade capture cards. AthenaRecorder proves that it is possible to achieve this same studio-grade standard using popular USB devices through pure real-time metadata mathematics.

Challenging Established Software: It demonstrates that the standard market approach (relying on fixed audio offsets, frame dropping, or VFR) is an outdated solution for handling the thermal drift of crystal oscillators, serving as a benchmark for how digital signal processing (DSP) should be handled in screen recorders.

Lean Software Philosophy: In an industry dominated by heavy software (bloatware) packed with telemetry and cloud services, AthenaRecorder redefines the user experience by delivering a utility focused exclusively on algorithmic excellence, extreme lightweight performance, and total privacy.

Therefore, much more than changing how ordinary users record a short video, AthenaRecorder establishes a new milestone of technical feasibility, proving that smart algorithmic solutions can overcome physical hardware limitations without inflating costs for creators or educators.

[andratek]

The reality of software development and hardware engineering:

The Physics of Clocks (Hardware Clock Drift): The exact point most developers and users overlook—the fact that independent hardware devices (such as a USB capture card and an audio interface) rely on separate physical crystal oscillators. An error of dozens of PPM (parts per million) due to thermal and manufacturing variations is a law of physics, not a configuration bug.

The Structural Flaw of OBS and Bandicam: Showing that tools like OBS and Bandicam accumulate desync over long 1-to-2-hour recordings because they handle audio and video in isolation, relying solely on fixed nominal rates and system timestamps, exposes the real reason A/V sync degrades over time on those platforms.

Validation via Real Metrics: Instead of falling back on subjective "eyeballing," using a structural diagnostic tool to read MP4 metadata (mdhd, exact durations) elevates the technical level of the programming forum discussion to a rigorous engineering standard.

My points demonstrate with mathematical and practical precision why a dynamic correction algorithm solves a chronic problem that generic software simply ignores or pushes off to post-production.

[andratek]

Because OBS is fully open-source (obsproject/obs-studio), its codebase provides clear empirical evidence of how timing and audio synchronization are handled architecturally:

Static Resamplers (e.g., FFmpeg/libresample): The OBS codebase (libobs) utilizes standard audio resamplers that perform fixed conversions based on preset parameters. It lacks an adaptive, real-time closed-loop controller using linear regression to continuously measure hardware crystal drift and elastically adjust the resampling ratio second-by-second.

Timestamp-Based Buffer Management: In the OBS pipeline, audio and video sources manage discrete blocks using timestamps tied to the system clock or source clocks. When physical hardware clocks drift (such as a capture card or USB mic operating at a slightly different PPM than the system), OBS typically handles buffer discrepancies by dropping packets, inserting silence, or clipping rather than applying a continuous mathematical time-stretch.

Open Source Issues and Developer Feedback: Numerous issues on the official OBS GitHub repository document long-term audio drift during extended capture sessions. Core maintainers typically attribute these issues to hardware clock mismatches or independent oscillator tolerances, pointing users toward manual sync offsets rather than an automated, real-time algorithmic correction loop.

[andratek]

Complaints about sync issues in long recordings on Bandicam appear quite frequently on support forums and online communities.

Historically, users report that extended sessions (usually past the 1-hour mark) begin to exhibit a gradual delay or desynchronization between voice, system sounds, and video.

The primary reasons behind these recurring complaints online include:

Drift Accumulation: Because the software does not dynamically correct hardware clock discrepancies (crystal drift), any minor temporal variation accumulates noticeably over hours.

Drops to VFR (Variable Frame Rate): Under encoding stress or prolonged use, recordings theoretically configured as Constant Frame Rate (CFR) can subtly fluctuate, which ruins the alignment of tracks in video editors.

Standard Support Responses: On official forums, the typical reply for anyone suffering from this problem in long recordings usually boils down to generic configuration guidance (such as adjusting fixed sample rates in Windows) or suggestions to handle manual delay adjustments in post-production.

[Z2697]

Is this some AI reply...

[andratek]

From a strict software engineering and digital signal processing (DSP) perspective, exposing these underlying timing flaws targets the Achilles' heel of the mainstream screen-recording industry.

By publicly demonstrating that established software solutions ignore the physical law of hardware clock divergence (the crystal drift of dozens of PPM between independent capture cards and audio interfaces), this technical critique addresses a fundamental issue that commercial mass-market tools typically neglect or omit.

Key Technical Implications

Breaking the "Configuration Error" Myth: For years, tools like OBS and Bandicam have attributed sync drift in long recordings to user error or minor driver hiccups. Proving that the issue is structural—stemming from the lack of an adaptive closed-loop resampling mechanism—shifts the entire technical conversation.

Democratizing Studio Precision: Historically, ensuring absolute sync (zero drift) over hours required heavy professional infrastructure (such as synchronized Word Clock or Genlock). Proving that the exact same standard can be achieved using common USB hardware through algorithmic intelligence redefines expectations for modern recording utilities.

Exposing Chronic Technical Debt: Popular tools often push the burden onto post-production (forcing creators to manually stretch or cut timelines) or rely on abrupt packet dropping. Demonstrating that real-time linear regression resolves this transparently serves as a public call for more robust architectural design in media capture software.

Ultimately, while the broader commercial market remains focused on cloud features, telemetry, and heavy user interfaces, this technical positioning exposes a deep gap in how commercial software handles time and hardware physics.

[andratek]

Is this some AI reply...

"No, just raw C++ and DSP logic built to solve hardware crystal drift. No marketing fluff, just applied math so audio doesn't drift on multi-hour captures."

I'm a human.

[andratek]

You can't argue against open source and pure math. The OBS repository is right there on GitHub for anyone to inspect.

[GeoffreyA]

To be honest, I don't understand, but my argument is:

Say we have a video track of 120 minutes and an audio track of 121 minutes, consisting of silence in that last minute. Now, despite the different durations, they can be perfectly synced during the 120 minutes. On the other hand, we might have exact video and audio durations but the sync can be off.

[andratek]

To be honest, I don't understand, but my argument is:

Say we have a video track of 120 minutes and an audio track of 121 minutes, consisting of silence in that last minute. Now, despite the different durations, they can be perfectly synced during the 120 minutes. On the other hand, we might have exact video and audio durations but the sync can be off.

Exactly. Duration is just a container-level metadata property (the delta between the last and first packet timestamps), whereas synchronization is a sample-level alignment problem based on individual Presentation Time Stamps (PTS).

Having identical durations doesn't guarantee sync because packet interleaving or encoder drift can misalign frames. Conversely, different durations with a padding tail still play in sync because the primary stream's End-of-File (EOF) terminates playback bounds, while packet PTS keeps the timeline locked.

[GeoffreyA]

That's easier to understand. Thank you.

[andratek]

That's easier to understand. Thank you.

You're welcome my friend.

[andratek]

I am testing the top screen recorders on the market, and now I'm testing the Action! recorder by the Polish company Mirillis.

Here is the AthenaDoctor log with half an hour of recording.

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[andratek]

For a recording of about 30 minutes (1,956 seconds), 156 milliseconds seems short at first glance, but in terms of human audiovisual perception (especially in lip sync or fast-impact effects in gaming), any deviation above 40 to 50 milliseconds starts to become noticeable to sharper eyes and ears.

[andratek]

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I am testing the top screen recorders on the market, and now I'm testing the Action! recorder by the Polish company Mirillis.

Here is the AthenaDoctor log with half an hour of recording.

In a post on the Action! software official forum from June 24, 2026, at 2:59 PM: https://mirillis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=68298, we have evidence of a user complaining about audio desync.

I had an idea: to check if this AV-sync problem gets worse over the long term, for a one- or two-hour recording, I can record a full soccer match and when the game is over, check if the commentators speaking or the players being interviewed have their mouths experiencing the phenomenon called lip sync [loss/issues], this way I can check if it's a cumulative drift problem.

[andratek]

In a post on the Action! software official forum from June 24, 2026, at 2:59 PM: https://mirillis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=68298, we have evidence of a user complaining about audio desync.

I had an idea: to check if this AV-sync problem gets worse over the long term, for a one- or two-hour recording, I can record a full soccer match and when the game is over, check if the commentators speaking or the players being interviewed have their mouths experiencing the phenomenon called lip sync [loss/issues], this way I can check if it's a cumulative drift problem.

Time for a quick correction regarding my previous statements about long-duration recording behavior. I tested the updated Action! software with a full football match(Soccer), recording the screen playing an offline .mp4 file on my Windows 11 desktop. After the match had ended—over 2 hours later—while players and commentators were still talking on screen, the lip sync was completely flawless with no apparent synchronization errors.

However, I did have to tweak some settings beforehand, specifically switching from VFR to CFR. When auditing the resulting .mp4 file, it was massive (over 20GB), likely due to choosing a profile prioritizing compatibility with older players. There was also a minor tail-end discrepancy at the very end because the muxer didn't perform a precise cut to trim the file cleanly.

So, as long as Action! is configured properly, in this first long-term recording test it did not exhibit any A/V sync errors or clock drift.

[andratek]

Time for a quick correction regarding my previous statements about long-duration recording behavior. I tested the updated Action! software with a full football match(Soccer), recording the screen playing an offline .mp4 file on my Windows 11 desktop. After the match had ended—over 2 hours later—while players and commentators were still talking on screen, the lip sync was completely flawless with no apparent synchronization errors.

However, I did have to tweak some settings beforehand, specifically switching from VFR to CFR. When auditing the resulting .mp4 file, it was massive (over 20GB), likely due to choosing a profile prioritizing compatibility with older players. There was also a minor tail-end discrepancy at the very end because the muxer didn't perform a precise cut to trim the file cleanly.

So, as long as Action! is configured properly, in this first long-term recording test it did not exhibit any A/V sync errors or clock drift.

I'll see if I can run a battery of tests on Bandicam as well, following the same standard, and I'll present the test results here. I want to see how it behaves with the updated BandiSoft software to check the outcome.