Just the main movie untouched (no re encoding)

[DanDare1983]

Hi, if possible I'd like to just have the main movie untouched with untouched audio. Can BDrebuilder do this or do i have to encode? Any help would be appreciated

[Ian1182]

That should be fairly straightforward.

Go into settings -> setup and set a "Custom Target Size" of 99999 or any value larger than the bluray size, 99999 MB is generally enough. Then tick "Do not convert DTS" and "Do no reencode AC3" - not sure if this is required but no harm if done. Other settings you may wish to set are language/subtitle inclusion.

Choose settings -> "Output Options" -> custom target size

Then do a movie only backup with or without menus as you wish. That should run as quickly as your pc drives will permit with no re-encoding of video or audio.

[musiclover]

And if there is LPCM audio involved you need to check "Keep HD audio for BD25 / Alternate intact".

[gonca]

You can use FORCE_NOENCODE=1 in the configuration file so the video doesn't get encoded, no need for custom sizes

[Lowpro]

It's been a few years now since I've use BD Rebuilder, BD Clown or multiAVCHD to re-author a movie only version of a given Blu-ray. Well, the exception would be if I only want to include certain audio and subtitle tracks and that's only if the given movie would then fit on a BD25 versus a BD50. Short of that I just use BDedit. Once backing up the given Blu-ray to my hard drive it literally takes 30-60 seconds and I'm done. Once backing up a Blu-ray I open the Blu-ray in BDedit and determine the Playlist in question that's used for the feature presentation. I then move the Playlist (MPLS) and PlayItems (M2TS/CLPI) the Playlist references over to a Blu-ray folder I created which consists of the Blu-ray folder structure and BDMV files (index.bdmv, MovieObject.bdmv) only. All the Blu-ray does is look for and play the Playlist, "00000.mpls". Accessing the Top Menu during playback starts the Playlist over again. By default the feature presentation plays on a loop. Once moving the "MPLS/M2TS/CLPI" files for the feature presentation over to my movie only Blu-ray folder I rename the MPLS file to "00000.mpls" and I'm done. Alternatively I could retain the original name of the MPLS file and change the value referenced by the "Play PL" navigation command within the MovieObject in question instead. :p

[DanDare1983]

It's been a few years now since I've use BD Rebuilder, BD Clown or multiAVCHD to re-author a movie only version of a given Blu-ray. Well, the exception would be if I only want to include certain audio and subtitle tracks and that's only if the given movie would then fit on a BD25 versus a BD50. Short of that I just use BDedit. Once backing up the given Blu-ray to my hard drive it literally takes 30-60 seconds and I'm done. Once backing up a Blu-ray I open the Blu-ray in BDedit and determine the Playlist in question that's used for the feature presentation. I then move the Playlist (MPLS) and PlayItems (M2TS/CLPI) the Playlist references over to a Blu-ray folder I created which consists of the Blu-ray folder structure and BDMV files (index.bdmv, MovieObject.bdmv) only. All the Blu-ray does is look for and play the Playlist, "00000.mpls". Accessing the Top Menu during playback starts the Playlist over again. By default the feature presentation plays on a loop. Once moving the "MPLS/M2TS/CLPI" files for the feature presentation over to my movie only Blu-ray folder I rename the MPLS file to "00000.mpls" and I'm done. Alternatively I could retain the original name of the MPLS file and change the value referenced by the "Play PL" navigation command within the MovieObject in question instead. :p

So basically I just use bdedit to pick the correct playlist and then create another blu-ray folder structure copying across the mpls,m2ts clpi files. If I wanted to keep a couple of playlists like extras too would I copy both over or would I be limited to one mpls?

[microchip8]

You can use MakeMKV to remux the movie to an MKV container

[DanDare1983]

You can use MakeMKV to remux the movie to an MKV container

I actually like MakeMKV but chapters are off most of the time. I would skip to next chapter and would have a sec of previous scene for some odd reason.

[microchip8]

Yea, I don't know about chapters. I use MakeMKV to remux the movie and then I encode it with FFmpeg. Most of the times, it retains the chapters as I can see that when FFmpeg copies them during encoding.

[Lowpro]

So basically I just use bdedit to pick the correct playlist and then create another blu-ray folder structure copying across the mpls,m2ts clpi files. If I wanted to keep a couple of playlists like extras too would I copy both over or would I be limited to one mpls?

You got it. And yes, you can carry over additional playlists as well. Just keep in mind, when doing so you need to update your "index.bdmv" and "MovieObject.bdmv" files from the BDMV tab in BDedit, so that the additional playlists are accounted for, i.e. can be played/accessed.

Below is a copy of the Blu-ray folder I use when creating a movie only version of a given Blu-ray.

Feature Presentation (Blu-ray folder structure only.) (https://www.lowpro.net/doom9.org/bdedit/feature_presentation.zip)

The structure of the BDMV files is very simple. "First playback" is assigned, MovieObject "0" which executes a single navigation command, "Jump Title 0".

The Top Menu is always Title 0. In this case the "Top Menu (0)" is assigned, MovieObject "1" which executes a single navigation command, "Jump Title 1".

Title 1 is used for the Feature Presentation and is assigned, MovieObject "2" which executes the navigation commands, "Play PL 0" (Line 0), then "Goto 0" (Line 1), i.e. "00000.mpls" plays on an endless loop. (Invoking the TOP MENU function during playback results in the feature presentation starting over from the beginning.)

Accounting for additional playlists could be handled in several ways. Let's say you wanted to carry over 3 additional playlists which you named, "00001.mpls" through "00003.mpls". Below are a few examples of how this could be implemented.
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1. Add extras to the same title.

Title 1 (MovieObject 2)
Line 0 | Play PL 0 (Feature Presentation)
Line 1 | Play PL 1 (Extra #1)
Line 2 | Play PL 2 (Extra #2)
Line 3 | Play PL 3 (Extra #3)
Line 4 | GoTo 0
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2. Group extras under a separate title.

Title 1 (MovieObject 2)
Line 0 | Play PL 0 (Feature Presentation)
Line 1 | Jump Title 2

Title 2 (MovieObject 3)
Line 0 | Play PL 1 (Extra #1)
Line 1 | Play PL 2 (Extra #2)
Line 2 | Play PL 3 (Extra #3)
Line 3 | Jump Title 0
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3. Group each extra under its own title.

Title 1 (MovieObject 2)
Line 0 | Play PL 0 (Feature Presentation)
Line 1 | Jump Title 2

Title 2 (MovieObject 3)
Line 0 | Play PL 1 (Extra #1)
Line 1 | Jump Title 3

Title 3 (MovieObject 4)
Line 0 | Play PL 2 (Extra #2)
Line 1 | Jump Title 4

Title 4 (MovieObject 5)
Line 0 | Play PL 3 (Extra #3)
Line 1 | Jump Title 0
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You could include an actual TOP MENU and/or POPUP MENU of course. Short of that the last example shown above would be best choice as it provides direct access to each playlist by selecting the given title with your Blu-ray player remote.

And here's one more example for you, a case where the movie includes a dedicated forced subtitle track. In this case it's the second subtitle track. The below navigation commands enable the second subtitle track by default, then play the feature presentation. When the feature presentation ends a check is done to see if subtitles are turned on or not. No action is taken if subtitles are turned on as any subtitle selected would include the forced subs. If subtitles are turned off the force subtitle track is once again enabled, the feature presentation then being played again.

Title 1 (MovieObject 2)
Line 0 | SetStream (0), 2, (0), (0)
Line 1 | Play PL 0
Line 2 | EQ PSR2, 268369921
Line 3 | SetStream (0), 2, (0), (0)
Line 4 | GoTo 1

The check I perform above after the feature presentation finishes playing is especially helpful when authoring TV series content to Blu-ray. I will quite often have multiple episodes which include a dedicated forced subtitle track. When this is the case I include Lines 2-3 above prior to playing an episode which has forced subs. This ensures my current subtitle selection is retained if subtitles are on, the dedicated forced subtitle track only being enabled if subtitles happen to be off, i.e. I turned subtitles off by accident at some point.

[Lowpro]

Here's a quick tutorial showing how I create a movie only version of a given Blu-ray using BDedit per my prior posts.

Step 1: Create the needed Blu-ray folder structure, including the "index.bdmv" and "MovieObject.bdmv" files, then editing the *.bdmv files using BDedit.

(I already performed Step 1 for you. The Blu-ray in question weighs in at a hefty 3.15 KB and can be downloaded, here (https://www.lowpro.net/doom9.org/bdedit/feature_presentation.zip).)

Step 2: Open the source Blu-ray in BDedit, then going to the PLAYLIST tab. Using the MPLS drop-down determine which playlist is being used for the Feature Presentation. The M2TS files used by the playlist are referenced within the PlayList grid. Copy and paste the M2TS files in question from the source Blu-ray (BDMV\STREAM) to my "Feature Presentation" Blu-ray. Example provided below.

https://www.lowpro.net/doom9.org/bdedit/bd_feature_presentation_bdedit_01_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/doom9.org/bdedit/bd_feature_presentation_bdedit_01.jpg)
(Click on the preview image above to view the full size image.)

Step 3: Copy the corresponding CLPI files from the source Blu-ray (BDMV\CLIPINF) to my "Feature Presentation" Blu-ray.

https://www.lowpro.net/doom9.org/bdedit/bd_feature_presentation_bdedit_02_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/doom9.org/bdedit/bd_feature_presentation_bdedit_02.jpg)
(Click on the preview image above to view the full size image.)

Step 4: Copy the MPLS file from the source Blu-ray (BDMV\PLAYLIST) to my "Feature Presentation" Blu-ray.

https://www.lowpro.net/doom9.org/bdedit/bd_feature_presentation_bdedit_03_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/doom9.org/bdedit/bd_feature_presentation_bdedit_03.jpg)
(Click on the preview image above to view the full size image.)

Step 5: Open my "Feature Presentation" Blu-ray in BDedit. From the upper "MovieObject" grid select the third MovieObject, id 2.

https://www.lowpro.net/doom9.org/bdedit/bd_feature_presentation_bdedit_04_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/doom9.org/bdedit/bd_feature_presentation_bdedit_04.jpg)
(Click on the preview image above to view the full size image.)

Step 6: From the lower "MovieObject" grid select the first navigation command, id 0. Once selected change the "Source" value from "00000000" to "00000064" in the second Hex field towards the bottom, then press "Save".

https://www.lowpro.net/doom9.org/bdedit/bd_feature_presentation_bdedit_05_thumb.jpg (https://www.lowpro.net/doom9.org/bdedit/bd_feature_presentation_bdedit_05.jpg)
(Click on the preview image above to view the full size image.)

And there you go. You now have a movie only version of the given source Blu-ray. Takes no time at all. If you only want to include certain audio and subtitle streams at that point just re-author without re-encoding using whatever method you prefer. In my case I use multiAVCHD. Once loading the Blu-ray in multiAVCHD I'd navigate to Title 1 removing the undesired audio and subtitle streams from the respective tabs, then having the application rebuild the Blu-ray.

[DanDare1983]

@Lowpro can you explain a couple of questions for me please.

1. How do I find the correct CLPI file?

2. In the section where you put "00000000" to "00000064", would this number be the same number on every blu-ray or do you have to enter a different number?

3. Some movies have more than one m2ts in the playlist, would this make things more complicated as theirs more m2ts files?

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you

[jdobbs]

@Lowpro can you explain a couple of questions for me please.

1. How do I find the correct CLPI file?

2. In the section where you put "00000000" to "00000064", would this number be the same number on every blu-ray or do you have to enter a different number?

3. Some movies have more than one m2ts in the playlist, would this make things more complicated as theirs more m2ts files?

Any help would be appreciated. Thank youWhy do you want to go to all that trouble when it's very easy to just let BD-RB just do it for you?

Your call, but... :confused:

[DanDare1983]

Why do you want to go to all that trouble when it's very easy to just let BD-RB just do it for you?

Your call, but... :confused:

Hi jdobbs, I had a problem with one movie which had Dolby Atmos giving me audio sync issues. The audio was fine if I used the extracted AC3 track.

[jdobbs]

Hi jdobbs, I had a problem with one movie which had Dolby Atmos giving me audio sync issues. The audio was fine if I used the extracted AC3 track.As was mentioned earlier, it is very easy to tell BD-RB to keep the original audio.

[DanDare1983]

As was mentioned earlier, it is very easy to tell BD-RB to keep the original audio.

Yes i've made sure all Original audio was kept. I keep all original audio if I'm making a main movie backup for archiving and encode to AC3 audio if I'm doing a BD25 backup.