Upgrading to Windows 11

[vcmohan]

Has any one upgraded to windows 11 and using with Avisynth+ without any problem? I intend to upgrade sometime soon if others have good experience with it. Request guidance.

[kedautinh12]

i'm using win 11 and don't have any problem with avs+

[johnmeyer]

Windows 11? I'm still using Windows XP. Maybe I should look into it ...

[coolgit]

Windows 10/11 are pants.

Sticking to Windows 7 for life by the look of it.

[FranceBB]

Maybe I should look into it ...

Don't bother, Windows 11 is basically Win10 with a Mac OSX skin on, less functionalities in the taskbar and more bugs... (I know 'cause I'm using it...)

Avisynth wise, though, it works.

[johnmeyer]

I'm just curious. I have over a dozen computers, most running Windows XP (or earlier) O/S. However, I do have several computer running Windows 7. I like 7 just fine, although it broke searching, has driver issues with all the old hardware I have to use for my media business, etc.

So here's the question: is there actually anything function in Windows 10 (and now 11) that I'm missing out on? I've been forced to use is on many occasions when helping someone with a problem and, like the Microsoft pointless re-write of their office apps twenty years ago, it looks like they just rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic (i.e., a pointless, misguided effort). I never once find myself coming back to XP & 7 and saying, "gee, I really should upgrade."

P.S. When I say "earlier," I mean earlier. I have a 1987 laptop which runs 24/7, capturing all the phone calls on my home PBX, and it is running DOS 3.1. It used to run DOS 5, but ever since the disk drive froze up, and I've had to run it off floppies, and so I have to run a really old, more compact version of DOS. Still works great!

[FranceBB]

So here's the question: is there actually anything function in Windows 10 (and now 11) that I'm missing out on?

The only "nice" feature of Windows 11 for me is the fact that it can run Android apps and they have a store which resembles the native Play Store in Android, but that's it.

Features wise, you don't miss much and unless you need things like Visual Studio 2022 to work or modern drivers for recent hardware or DirectX12, there's hardly any need to upgrade.


The things I hate about Windows 11 are:

1) The taskbar has been completely re-written in XAML and it lacks some basic functionalities. Sure, you can bring it back to the left instead of the center, but if you right click on it, you don't have the options you would have on Win10 like launching the Task Manager and also if you drag a file to a program in the taskbar that is minimized 'cause you want the application to open and then drop it in there like you would in Windows 10, you can't and it's gonna say "not permitted" on Windows 11.

https://i.imgur.com/0f5AhQJ.png

Picture yourself this scenario: you are browsing a folder and you find a file, you have FileZilla minimized and you want to drop that file into Filezilla. Normally you would drag it to the taskbar, wait for Filezilla to go back being a window and then drop it there, but with the new taskbar YOU CAN'T!

https://i.imgur.com/wpjVa4z.png



2) The new Windows button doesn't show a list of all programs, it shows you a list of the preferred applications and you MUST click on "All apps" to have the list of all programs you would have on Win10. So you're effectively clicking it TWICE while on Win10 you just had to click once.

https://i.imgur.com/iskMIJy.png
https://i.imgur.com/s07H0HM.png


3) The dumbed down right click option. If you right click on a file, Windows automatically assumes you're an idiot and shows you a reduced menu, as if we didn't all use that very same menu for the last 20+ years... So, if you right click on a picture (or any file) you get this crap:

https://i.imgur.com/zKlhSre.png

but fortunately there's a value in the registry that restores the good old right click:

https://i.imgur.com/MBspzEu.png


There's more but if I keep going I'm gonna get angry (frustrated by Microsoft poor decisions) first thing in the morning and that ain't good for my blood pressure, so I'm just gonna leave it there...

[Boulder]

Oh come on, it's just things going more and more into the great Mobile Way. That long list doesn't fit in it so they decided to shorten it :P

I wonder if it learns your usage pattern along the way. That would be a good thing, just show the ones I use all the time.

[vcmohan]

One more thing. For upgrading to windows 11 do I need to save all my data files? Do I need to reinstall all applications I installed on windows 10? Or is it like normal OS upgrade done from time to time automatically?

[tormento]

One more thing. For upgrading to windows 11 do I need to save all my data files? Do I need to reinstall all applications I installed on windows 10? Or is it like normal OS upgrade done from time to time automatically?
I'd save my data daily, beside updating, upgrading or whatever. :p

Anyway, a in place upgrade will leave all your data and apps where they are.

My two cents is to have a clean install, as some redundant/useless dll will be kept from Windows 10.

I did a in place upgrade but I am planning to have a fresh install on the first major Windows 11 service pack.

[kedautinh12]

Just update your data still keep after update. You can rollback to win 10 and don't lost any data

[Boulder]

One more thing. For upgrading to windows 11 do I need to save all my data files? Do I need to reinstall all applications I installed on windows 10? Or is it like normal OS upgrade done from time to time automatically?

I personally consider Windows 11 as a Service Pack of Windows 10. Whatever problems you may have, probably occur with the major bi-annual releases anyway. Usually some drivers need to be reinstalled, but I've never had any serious issues with updates.

[Balling]

FranceBB, nice to see you patched the uDWM microcompositor to remove rounded coreners that can even hide part of movie, for example! Nice.

[MysteryX]

Honstly -- if you're running WinXP (with way outdated security holes), you're better off installing Linux and it will run smoothly with everything up-to-date.

[FranceBB]

WinXP (with way outdated security holes)

0Patch still works and covers zero-day vulnerabilities.
Microsoft Extended Support provided security updates 'till July 2019, then 0patch picked up the task and they provide security fixes for WinXP and Win7.
In a nutshell, 0patch + a good antivirus and firewall like Avast Premier will do the job.


you're better off installing Linux and it will run smoothly with everything up-to-date.

On modern hardware I do recommend Linux as main OS and Windows VMs for literally everything you need in terms of either encoding or coding etc. I'm proudly running Fedora since January 6, 2016 and all my Windows (Win98Se, WinXP, Win11) are VMs created via a clone-disk (disk to vhd) of my old 1999, 2002 and 2015 physical installations.
All my work-server (real work servers), though, are all running Windows Server 2019 and they're gonna stay like that as they're the ones who really encode stuff.

[thescrapyard]

Interesting thing I stumbled across by accident, is that Windows 11 and late revisions of Windows 10 can run native Linux apps in its native GUI in Windows without a VM machine running Linux

It does it via something called WSL2

I'm installing a dual boot of my system running Windows 10 just to give this a try. WSL2 doesn't like my copy of Windows 10 as its too early and I ain't doing yet another install/update just to try that, but will set-up a dual boot. I did this years ago when I moved from WinXP to Win7. Had it on dual boot for considerable time until I accepted Windows 7

I avoided Windows 10 for a very very long time, as it sucked big style on first releases (as usual). I tried Windows 8 but that was so bad I never touched it again


Its like having Wine on Linux to run Windows software, but now WSL is Linux on Windows


https://www.windowscentral.com/how-install-wsl2-windows-10

[MysteryX]

So you can run WSL2 within a VM within Linux?

[Dogway]

1) The taskbar has been completely re-written in XAML and it lacks some basic functionalities. Sure, you can bring it back to the left instead of the center, but if you right click on it, you don't have the options you would have on Win10 like launching the Task Manager and also if you drag a file to a program in the taskbar that is minimized 'cause you want the application to open and then drop it in there like you would in Windows 10, you can't and it's gonna say "not permitted" on Windows 11.

Can't you fix that with ClassicShell or power tools like AHK or AutoIt?

[FranceBB]

Can't you fix that with ClassicShell or power tools like AHK or AutoIt?

Totally, but with patch Tuesday and other automatic updates it might break which is why I don't wanna have anything too weird or different from the original configuration, therefore I really would like Microsoft to bring the option back.
You know, as long as I change reg entries it's fine, but as soon as I change system DLLs, there could be dragons. Last thing I want is the PC to restart after an update and never boot ever again. DX

[Marshalla12]

I haven't upgraded yet even on Windows 10))
I'm too comfortable with my 7
I use my notebook with this windows version for work. I make calls. use a virtual number for marketing, I speak to clients, email them and so on
no lagging or something like that

[pxxls51]

I haven't upgraded yet even on Windows 10))
I'm too comfortable with my 7
I use my notebook with this windows version for work. I make calls. use a virtual number for marketing, I speak to clients, email them and so on
no lagging or something like that

I use my notebook with the same windows version for work too. I make calls to clients and potential customers, using MightyCall (https://www.mightycall.com/) virtual numbers for marketing. I speak to them about the digital products I'm selling, send them emails about them, and follow up with them to ensure their satisfaction. I also use social media to promote my digital products and to make sure that I'm getting the best possible results from my marketing efforts.

[FranceBB]

Well, fast forward to 2023, guess what happened?
Windows 11 Enterprise x64 updated itself and bluescreened itself, thus making it unbootable forever.
The only choice I have is to reinstall it and lose everything (programs installed, customizations etc) except for personal files which will be kept.

https://forums.virtualbox.org/download/file.php?id=46573


This taught me a valuable lesson: I should have never upgraded, I should have stayed on Windows 10 Enterprise x64 which, after so many years of updates, is now stable.
Beware of Windows 11 guys, one day it might boot, the other might not.
If you can, stay on Windows 10 'till 2025, this is DEFINITELY what I'm gonna do with my new installations.

[StainlessS]

I recently got a 2nd hand HP Prodesk 400 G4 Mini (one of the tiny little thingies) with Windows 11 Pro installed,
played with it for about 3 or 4 days and then setup W10 Pro. Not a big fan of 10 but less horrid than 11.
EDIT: Dual boot with Cinnamon Mint (as are my other machines).
Mint is quite familiar for those transitioning to linux.

[FranceBB]

with Windows 11 Pro installed


run xD


played with it for about 3 or 4 days and then setup W10 Pro.


You made the right choice. I hope that by 2024-2025 Windows 11 will be stable enough for us all to use it, but right now, no thank you.


Not a big fan of 10 but less horrid than 11.


Yeah, same here.


Dual boot with Cinnamon Mint (as are my other machines).
Mint is quite familiar for those transitioning to linux.

Yep I have Linux too, but I'm on Fedora, which, by the way, is the distro used by the Penguins' King, Linus Torvalds himself (http://images.computerhistory.org/revonline/images/500004391-03-01.jpg?w=600)! :D

[StainlessS]

I tried Fedora, not a fan of it. (bout 6 months ago)
However, I did use it maybe bout 15+ years ago, and Mandrake / Mandriva too.
I always used to give up on linux as it was not ready for prime time, until Cinnamon Mint that is.

EDIT: Mum tries out [an early build] Windows 11 :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDiVCuGqvMc
She quite likes it, it don't get the savaging she sometimes gives.

EDIT: Some data I collected whilst deciding which tiny little machines to get,
below are mostly T suffix CPU's (35W TDP, 65W PSU machines), top one is fastest Intel CPU (there are faster AMD) monster on GeekBench [TDS has one in his sig],
the others with names are my machines, 3 tiny weeny ones and an i7 tower.
The Prodesk i3 Benchmark was done when it still had W11 on it, I'll maybe redo with W10.
The named ones are my benchmarks, my bench for the HP i3 is duplicate, the other is geekbench official average benchmark.
My named Lenovo Tiny benches faster than its higher clockspeed brother, possibly because I put in 32GB fastest supported dual channel RAM
and pretty fast SSD [PCIe gen 4 nvme BUT the damn motherboard is only gen 3 despite CPU supports gen 4, I was gutted] ,
is usual for only single channel RAM when you buy them [2 sticks, one occupied].
No idea how any of them would fare in encoding, I've only just setup up W10-22H2 on all three of the tiny's.
The clockspeed noted is just the low base speed, so many other speeds are now doc'ed, the monster at the top has 2 types of cores, total 24 cores, 32 threads
and loads of different clockspeeds to consider.
The Dell has two nvme SSD slots which I really like and all 3 support nvme and 2.5" Sata SSD.
The Prodesk aint got no Wifi or Bluetooth, but I can live with that - dongle will do.


#### BENCH SingleCore/Base Speed/Cores, From GeekBench (Ordered by Single Core bench)
i9-13900K 2242 8PC/16EC/32T # Fastest Intel CPU
i9-11900T 1558 1.5GHz 8C/16T
i7-11700T 1476 1.4GHz 8C/16
i5-11400T 1260 1.3GHz 6C/12T # Lenovo M70q Gen 2 Tiny (W10)
i5-11500T 1222 1.5GHz 6C/12T
i7-8700 1212 3.2GHz 6C/12T # OMEN 880 (W10)
i7-9700T 1044 2.0GHz 8C/16T
i5-10500T 1037 2.3GHz 6C/12T # DELL Optiplex 7080 Micro (W10)
i7-8700T 1022 2.4GHz 6C/12T
i3-10100T 962 3.0GHz 4C/8T
i5-9500T 941 2.2GHz 6C/6T
i7-7700T 939 2.9GHz 4C/8T
i5-7600T 938 2.8GHz 4C/4T
i3-9100T 914 3.1GHz 4C/4T
i5-6600T 891 2.7GHz 4C/4T
i7-6700T 888 2.8GHz 4C/8T
i5-8500T 883 2.1GHz 6C/6T
i7-4790T 882 2.7GHz 4C/8T
i3-6300T 856 3.3GHz 2C/4T
i5-8400T 844 1.7GHz 6C/6T
i5-7500T 838 2.7GHz 4C/4T
i3-7100T 835 3.4GHz 2C/4T
i3-8100T 834 3.1GHz 4C/4T # HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini (W11)
i7-4770T 827 2.5GHz 4C/8T
i3-8100T 820 3.1GHz 4C/4T
i3-6100T 783 3.2GHz 2C/4T
i5-6500T 781 2.5GHz 4C/4T
i5-7400T 765 2.4GHz 4C/4T
i5-6400T 691 2.2GHz 4C/4T

#### BENCH MultiCore/Base Speed/Cores, From GeekBench (Ordered by MultiCore bench)
i9-13900K 25455 8PC/16EC/32T # Fastest Intel CPU
i9-11900T 7158 1.5GHz 8C/16T
i7-11700T 6229 1.4GHz 8C/16
i7-8700 5672 3.2GHz 6C/12T # OMEN 880 (W10)
i5-11400T 5569 1.3GHz 6C/12T # Lenovo M70q Gen 2 Tiny (W10)
i5-11500T 5082 1.5GHz 6C/12T
i7-9700T 5080 2.0GHz 8C/16T
i7-8700T 4743 2.4GHz 6C/12T
i5-10500T 4623 2.3GHz 6C/12T # DELL Optiplex 7080 Micro (W10)
i5-9500T 4019 2.2GHz 6C/6T
i5-8500T 3829 2.1GHz 6C/6T
i5-8400T 3721 1.7GHz 6C/6T
i3-10100T 3439 3.0GHz 4C/8T
i7-7700T 3434 2.9GHz 4C/8T
i7-6700T 3226 2.8GHz 4C/8T
i5-7600T 3040 2.8GHz 4C/4T
i7-4790T 3020 2.7GHz 4C/8T
i7-4770T 2911 2.5GHz 4C/8T
i5-6600T 2860 2.7GHz 4C/4T
i3-9100T 2825 3.1GHz 4C/4T
i3-8100T 2707 3.1GHz 4C/4T # HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini (W11)
i3-8100T 2700 3.1GHz 4C/4T
i5-7500T 2682 2.7GHz 4C/4T
i5-6500T 2491 2.5GHz 4C/4T
i5-7400T 2435 2.4GHz 4C/4T
i5-6400T 2193 2.2GHz 4C/4T
i3-6300T 1856 3.3GHz 2C/4T
i3-7100T 1851 3.4GHz 2C/4T
i3-6100T 1738 3.2GHz 2C/4T


I got myself tempted by this series of videos, Tiny(Lenovo) Mini(HP) Micro(Dell), I love the size of the things.
Tiny Mini Micro (one of a series of review clips)
STH Project TinyMiniMicro Home Lab Revolution Introduction :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx4_QCX_khU&list=PLC53fzn9608B-MT5KvuuHct5MiUDO8IF4

[kedautinh12]

I'm on win 11 and still ok with this :D

[guest]

I use W11 22H2, it's awesome, I love it :)

[StainlessS]

What is the situation, if you install both W10 and W11 on same machine ?
(machine that is W10/W11 serial number bound to the machine, ie Lenovo, HP, or Dell m/c serial allows legal W10 install without prompt for product key)

Will M$ get a bit shirty if I were to install both side by side, you obviously can't run them at the same time.

I would install separately, making image of each OS [then wipe disk], so as not to use the daft M$ boot control stuff where one is reliant upon the other to boot [I aint ever used that stuff - I presume that they still do that],
and have linux in charge of boot control. [Ideally W10 and W11 would be 'unaware' of each other - I think you can remove OS access to Partition using FDisk or other cmd]
EDIT: UEFI machine.

[coolgit]

Still on Win 7 and happy and laughing at those on Win 10/11.

[kedautinh12]

Still laughing, caveman :D

[richardpl]

Still on DOS. Loving it.

[tormento]

I can no longer find a reliable supplier of punch cards.

Can you?

[videoFred]

So here's the question: is there actually anything function in Windows 10 (and now 11) that I'm missing out on?


No :D

Fred.

[videoFred]

Well, fast forward to 2023, guess what happened?
Windows 11 Enterprise x64 updated itself and bluescreened itself, thus making it unbootable forever.



Windows auto updates: horror! :scared:
And it is nearly impossible to stop it!

Fred.

[FranceBB]

Windows auto updates: horror! :scared:
And it is nearly impossible to stop it!

I know!
"You can delay me but you can't avoid me!" - Windows Update

https://i.imgur.com/BL3xuoy.png

[johnmeyer]

Auto updates are the first thing I disable on any device or app.

This adage is about as old as any such thing, and it is also truer than almost any other adage:


"Don't fix it if it ain't broke."


:)

[videoFred]

Auto updates are the first thing I disable on any device or app.

But in Win10 and 11 it's impossible to disable it! You can delay it for a while but not disable it.

I realy do not like this :mad:

Fred.

[goorawin]

Yes you can stop windows updating by using this software.
https://www.greatis.com/stopupdates10/
I have been using it on several windows 10 pro's computers now for a number of years and it works really well if you do what's called a hard block.
I just do updates from time to time, when I want them done.
It also appears to be working on a Windows 11 pro laptop I have.

[Sunspark]

I don't know why people say it can't be stopped. I didn't run any third party program. I don't remember now what I did, but a mixture of policy settings, services, registry, etc. and it'll never bother you for an update again.

I don't buy the fearmongering about "updates" if you're behind a router and you don't run weird random stuff. So yeah, you could run Win 7 and it would be fine.

[kedautinh12]

That right, windows update can stop in win 10/11 easily

[videoFred]

Yes you can stop windows updating by using this software.
https://www.greatis.com/stopupdates10/
I have been using it on several windows 10 pro's computers now for a number of years and it works really well if you do what's called a hard block.
I just do updates from time to time, when I want them done.
It also appears to be working on a Windows 11 pro laptop I have.

OK, thank you for the link, I will try it.

Fred.

[videoFred]

That right, windows update can stop in win 10/11 easily

Easily? How do you do that?

Fred.

[kedautinh12]

Many way like regedit, services. Google is your friend

[Dogway]

I think for Win10 probably this isn't needed anymore? All updates should be now "safe" as Win10 is on maintenance mode (no more features).

[FranceBB]

I wouldn't say "easily".
The easiest way is to basically put your Windows behind an hardware firewall that blocks access to some internet addresses including Microsoft Update.
This way, it won't try to download and install updates automatically.
Alternatively, it can be managed by group policy on Pro and Enterprise version of Windows, but if you're a home user with the Home version you're out of luck and you gotta perish to them.

Speaking of which, my version of Windows 10 was Enterprise and when I upgraded to 11 I retained the Enterprise license, however I had automatic updates on.
Three of my other colleagues had Windows 10 Professional and upgraded to Windows 11 Professional.
Tormento knows about them.
None of our PCs was officially supported by Microsoft; in my case 'cause I didn't have the TPM 2.0 and my overall system was old, while for my two colleagues they had TPM 2.0 but their CPU was an i7 6700HQ, so not officially supported as it was considered to be too old. Lastly the third PC was a desktop with TPM 1.2 and an old Intel Xeon which wasn't officially supported by Microsoft.
Needless to say, we all perished to Microsoft bluescreen.
The first one to go was one of my colleague with an incompatibility with Pulse Connect Secure that led to a lot of stress and frustration and workarounds that didn't work.
Eventually, after applying workarounds that did work, every update was breaking them until one of them conflicted with the workaround and prevented Windows 11 Professional from booting, so he had to go back to Windows 10 Professional by re-installing it from scratch and sweared never to go back to 11 ever again 'till 2025.
The second person to go was the other colleague of mine with Windows 11 Professional 'cause he had an issue using some legacy software written in Borland Delphi 20+ years ago which was going into segmentation fault and other legacy programs from the 2000 that are still in use today to handle some scheduling etc and were misbehaving. After insisting a bit, he eventually had to downgrade to 10 Professional from the Windows settings thus retaining all his saved files and installed programs, so everything came back to normality.
The third and last person was a workstation with an NVIDIA Quadro P4000, an old Intel Xeon E5-2640, a TPM 1.2 and a Blackmagic Decklink card. In this case, the guilty component was indeed the Blackmagic Decklink connected via SDI to a VTR and their capture software. After going through driver after driver, it never really behaved and it occasionally bluescreened. One of the very reproducible error was when you had your screen turned off. If you start capturing a file while it's playing and then you change the source to your monitor (perhaps 'cause you have two computers connected etc), it would freeze forever until you reboot OR it would bluescreen. After some weeks of nightmare, it was downgraded back to Windows 10 Professional.

I think for Win10 probably this isn't needed anymore? All updates should be now "safe" as Win10 is on maintenance mode (no more features).

Windows 10 nowadays is rock solid compared to 11.

[Sunspark]

I don't agree that W10 is rock solid. I check every once in awhile and I see complaints from people about how MS has broken something like printing or VPN or something else. Easier to just leave a stable version alone and not to touch it.

The person with the Delphi stuff, there is another option that could have been considered.. a virtual machine. To install even as far back as XP in a VM, and run the Delphi apps from the virtual machine.

[FranceBB]

I don't agree that W10 is rock solid.


True, but the important part of the sentence is "compared to 11" Eheheheh

[thescrapyard]

I installed windows 7 about 2 years after it came out, same with windows 10 and I'm now on windows 11 Enterprise 22H2 on my new build after using 2nd hand hardware for years (except GFX cards I got burned on that after my GTX480 finally dies after 10 years so risked 2nd user on another one that was worse than my GTX480). My old tower still functions perfectly so will be used for kids gaming computer eventually and another build I stripped for a bartop pinball I'm working on (it took 5 years for my bartop arcade/pinball build so no rush) I tried windows 8 when it was first released and hated it so avoided updating for a good couple of years, maybe longer I can't recall that far back. I usually wait at least 2 or 3 years after all the hype before I move to the next windows release but as windows 11 was in public beta and is now available on most laptops as default and seemed to be more stable than previous semi-public betas

An upgrade to windows 11 is risky, as proved by previous posts so I tend to do fresh installs and avoid upgrades. More work, but guaranteed no conflicts

I installed StartIsBack as I don't like the Mac Style taskbar, and used StartIsBack on Windows 7 and Windows 10. Ran AeroTweak to disable Defender totally and also run Blackbird to try to block all MS tracking and call home

The auto updates are a pain, but as yet have been ok so I'll leave blocking updates just yet

I use an ancient piece of software that just works called VOBBlanker, great for repairing badly created DVDs and removing hard to block menus and refused to run under Windows 10 regardless what I tried. Runs perfectly under Windows 11 ....

Haven't really setup avisynth fully to see how much quicker it is with 20 cores, but encoding using vidcoder to x265 was about 65fps on my i7-4790k with GTX1060 to about 250-350fps with the Intel i5-13600k and RTX3070 using GPU and now about 10 minutes per encode so at least 4 to 5 times faster

My latest build cost a fair bit but as I haven't built a brand new system for about 10 years though it was time. Gigabyte UD DDR4 (DDR5 not worth it in my view), Intel i5-13600k. water cooled artic cooler 280mm, 128GB RAM (because I could), RTX 3070 (for the kids and fancied looking at raytraced gaming) and 1TB black NVME same as in PS5 (loads windows in about 16 seconds from pressing power on). plus a couple more NVME (because I could) for games and VMWare. 6TB storage drive for complete MAME build, 4TB for data plus my USB drives I use for storage in a be quiet case that is very quiet

[Ascet]

It's always a good idea to double-check if your specific setup will work smoothly before you go ahead with the upgrade. Btw, isn't it better just to get a windows 11 cheap (https://digitalchillmart.com/product/windows-11-pro-32-64-bit/) key? Just a suggesiton.

[StainlessS]

Best-ish (IMHO) update blocker for W10/W11 [EDIT: W8.1, W8, W7, Vista, WXP] is this one

Windows Update Blocker v1.8
https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-update-blocker-v1-8/
NOTE: Wub software does not block Microsoft defender updates.

Supported operating systems: Windows 11 , Windows 10, Windows 8.1 , Windows 8 , Windows 7 , Windows Vista ,Windows XP (32\64-bit).

Easy Disable Update Windows 11 by Windows Update Blocker V1.17 [for previous version]:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNwGoRA5Ss0

I was on v1.7, so musta been recentish update.

Easy peasy blocking, non install, I create a "Program Files/_HACK" directory and copy into there,
and have a link on my Desktop to the folder.
Additional non-install tools also in that folder [eg "OO_ShutUp_W10", M$ Privacy/Spyware blocker].

I tried many before opting for this one.

TIP:- Contains both x86 and x64 exe's, delete the one that is not for your OS, avoid mistakes.

EDIT: W10 updates can still cause problems.
Windows 10 22H2 KB5034441 error Do not reinstall Windows it will still be there:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gvQ0W7fmTg
One current W10 update tries to update the RECOVERY partition, if you dont got no recovery (I dont), then will fail with error, and then do exact same
thing next time it tries to update, Rinse and Repeat. [EDIT: Also fails if RECOVERY is the setup default 500MB, ie not big enough for the update :confused: ]

As above crazy update get stuck in loop, downloading and failing, then repeating, I use this to avoid that particular update,
How to Hide or Show Windows Updates in Windows 10:- https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/8280-hide-show-windows-updates-windows-10-a.html
It does work.
EDIT: Suggest keep copy of the above SHOW/HIDE whotsit, its the type of thing that M$ likes to remove/delete so may become un-available.
The download "wushowhide.diagcab" is TenForums linked to MicroSoft site, it is executable.

EDIT: youtube clip that shows how to resize the RECOVERY partition for the above Windows Update problem.
How To Fix and Install The Windows 10 Update Error 22H2 Security Update KB5034441 Code 0x80070643:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EHdb8bXZpg
I have not done this myself, I dont have a recovery partition, I removed it after install.
Or an alternative clip, FIX IT...Windows 10 KB5034441 Security Update Fails With 0x80070643 Errors:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIf3MG9BK-s