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gispos
18th November 2021, 20:14
My monitor broke and I now have to make a difficult decision about size and resolution.
I don't play games, just a model helicopter simulator. I don't need video in 4K on a PC monitor.
The focus is on color fidelity, uniform illumination and sharpness. 600 euros would be the upper limit.
24, 27 or 32 inches, that is the question.
24, 27 inch Full HD or 27 inch QHD or a 32 inch QHD.
In the shop you can't really judge whether 32 inches is too big for a monitor, I don't want to keep moving my head back and forth.
Can anyone give me some advice?
Thanks.
StainlessS
19th November 2021, 01:03
Not much help from here, but I can say that I got a 27 inch about 12->24 months ago, and now want a 32 inch.
It is great to have two monitors, can use 2nd for Debug output or other stuff - and even an additional 19 or 17 inch 4:3 is a huge plus if your graphics card can drive two or more.
Years ago I used to have a green screen 9 inch metal industrial monitor hooked up via Sinclair QL and linked though RS-232 to both ATARI ST or Comodore Amiga 1200
as a debug whotsit. [QL received debug messages and displayed them on the 9 inch - I may have also used for PC debugging for a time, not sure].
A 2nd Monitor is the 'Dogs Bollocks'. [dont bin your old one - my card will drive at least 4 monitors (6 ports) but I cant see myself wanting more than 2 (but I do got a spare 17 inch)]
Blue_MiSfit
19th November 2021, 01:23
27 inch QHD is the sweet spot IMO. You'll want an IPS panel too for color fidelity
videoh
19th November 2021, 05:36
I can say that I got a 27 inch about 12->24 months ago, and now want a 32 inch. Ditto. Especially with UHD resolution.
This one looks promising:
https://www.abelcine.com/buy/monitors-viewing/reference-monitors/sony-bvm-hx310-31-trimaster-hx-professional-master-monitor
More discussion here:
http://rationalqm.us/board/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1113
nevcairiel
19th November 2021, 09:29
It all depends on viewing distance. I had a 30+ inch at one point, but i exchanged it back to a 27" because it was noticeably making my eyes tire from requiring too much movement. If your screen is further away (mine is at about arms reach, when I sit properly and try to reach out, I can just barely not touch it), that might be a different thing.
So my vote goes with 27 QHD.
videoh
19th November 2021, 14:52
Nev, why QHD when you can have full UHD? Cost?
nevcairiel
19th November 2021, 16:04
I'm not sure I see the benefit of UHD on that size, but you can make that argument. Personally when I got this screen UHD was still a bit limited in availability, and connectivity didn't allow UHD and high refresh rates properly. These days you can get HDMI 2.1 and when I ever exchange this screen, it might become UHD, who knows. Screens last a while.
StainlessS
19th November 2021, 16:58
Ditto. Especially with UHD resolution.
This one looks promising:
Yeah, looks OK but a bit more than I was planning to spend [I'm a bit of a cheapskate and $30,000.00 is a tad out of my reach, but probably ideal for VideoH and GisPos].
How does this one look [ any good ? ]:- https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-LU28R550UQRXXU-UR55-UHD-Monitor/dp/B08WWH5Z2M/ref=psdc_428652031_t1_B09KM6NMS2?th=1
Samsung U28R550UQR - UR55 Series - LED monitor - 28" (28" viewable) - 3840 x 2160 4K @ 60 Hz - IPS - 300 cd/m² - 1000:1 - HDR10-4 ms - 2xHDMI, DisplayPort - dark grey/blue
@ £249.00, a bit more acceptable.
I decided maybe 32 inch more than I have room for to still keep 2nd monitor.
(my 27" is only FHD, so hopefully improvement)
EDIT: What limitations come with 4 ms Response Time ?
videoh
19th November 2021, 17:10
It's only 300 nits so if HDR is important to you, it's pointless as SDR monitors can deliver that much. If you just want the resolution and improved color space, it looks like a reasonable choice. Don't know anything about response time issues. 60 Hz may not please gamers. I reckon you will quickly get hooked on the crispness of UHD.
StainlessS
19th November 2021, 17:15
Thanx VH, guess that sews it up, about to press the buy button.
(no games here, and HDR of little concern)
EDIT: Button pressed.
videoh
19th November 2021, 17:38
Hope you enjoy it. You'll probably have to increase your windows scale value (I use 225%), otherwise things will look tiny. There is a downside in that some apps' layouts don't work well at these larger scales. They seem few and far between in my experience and I can live with it. Let us know how you like your new monitor.
You can enable HDR in windows and then you'll be able to play UHD HDR titles directly without having to convert them to SDR. You'll also then see some pleasing new colors in windows that have been hidden from you in SDR. If you enable HDR, you'll want to adjust the windows SDR brightness slider to your liking. I run in HDR mode all the time. If you want to do that you'll likely have to enable HDR in the monitor also.
gispos
19th November 2021, 18:10
Thanks for the answers.
4K?, great, operate a 4K monitor with 150% (32 inch) or even 175% (27 inch) Windows zoom and thus destroy all the sharpness.
I would like to operate a monitor in native resolution, and so far 24 inches and FHD have been the perfect combination for me.
My normal distance to the monitor is about 110 cm (43 zoll) but there is still space to the rear.
Now I'm going to cut a piece of cardboard to the size of a 32 inch display and test the whole thing.
So my decision can still take a while.
@StainlessS, the Samsung is 4K and has no height adjustment (which is very important to me).
I also have a 17 and 19 inch 4:3 monitor, at the 19 inch I am currently writing these lines. :)
videoh
19th November 2021, 18:49
4K?, great, operate a 4K monitor with 150% (32 inch) or even 175% (27 inch) Windows zoom and thus destroy all the sharpness. No, it does not destroy the sharpness! It only makes windows render windows things larger.
gispos
19th November 2021, 20:11
No, it does not destroy the sharpness! It only makes windows render windows things larger.
Earlier it came to blurring if the monitor was not operated in native resolution, ok, with windows scaling only the windows elements are drawn larger.
And the text doesn't get blurred either?
But what bothers me is that Full HD is then a mouse cinema and has to be zoomed 200% in order to display the same visible dimension.
Whoa, that can take time with the new monitor...
videoh
19th November 2021, 20:40
And the text doesn't get blurred either? Of course not.
But what bothers me is that Full HD is then a mouse cinema and has to be zoomed 200% in order to display the same visible dimension.
Whoa, that can take time with the new monitor... Yeah, that 480i stuff looks terrible on an FHD monitor too, right?
SIGN language: the N is need to be right.
gispos
19th November 2021, 21:46
Of course not.
Yeah, that 480i stuff looks terrible on an FHD monitor too, right?
SIGN language: the N is need to be right.
Right, but I don't have 480 stuff, but a lot of FHD ;)
StainlessS
19th November 2021, 22:10
@StainlessS, the Samsung is 4K and has no height adjustment (which is very important to me).
I also have a 17 and 19 inch 4:3 monitor, at the 19 inch I am currently writing these lines
Yeah, my current monitor dont have height adjustment except for the old 386 [or maybe 486] half case
that is stands upon ( shaped like an '[' and also had another case part the same shape which slotted together created a box - about 1/16 inch thick steel, pretty solid),
a coupla books or an orange box would also achieve the desired result. [but maybe's I gets me one of them there things with lots of arms, they look great].
EDIT: The one I ordered looks like its got a VESA whotsit.
StainlessS
20th November 2021, 10:51
Hope you enjoy it. You'll probably have to increase your windows scale value (I use 225%), otherwise things will look tiny. There is a downside in that some apps' layouts don't work well at these larger scales. They seem few and far between in my experience and I can live with it. Let us know how you like your new monitor.
You can enable HDR in windows and then you'll be able to play UHD HDR titles directly without having to convert them to SDR. You'll also then see some pleasing new colors in windows that have been hidden from you in SDR. If you enable HDR, you'll want to adjust the windows SDR brightness slider to your liking. I run in HDR mode all the time. If you want to do that you'll likely have to enable HDR in the monitor also.
Thanks for the tips, most appreciated.
I have had cause to change (150%) Windows Scale before on my 7" and 8" tablets [linx 7 and linx 8, 1280x800 16:10], and it dont always work well for everything.
Particularly irritating when a dialog box become just too big for the screen and title bar is non accessible off the top of screen, where need to make taskbar
disappear to be able to reach it.
My ordered monitor might take a little while longer than originally expected, I got a text from Amazon and text and automated phone call from bank saying
that purchase was declined and card blocked due to several non usual purchases, card now cleared but not sure how long it will take for Amazon to
re-debit my card and process the order. It seems that it might have been already cleared as soon as I answered some security questions from bank,
but Amazon has given no further info on progress other than to say it will re-attempt "re-debit card several times over the next few days".
"Track Package" thingy still says delivery by Monday, but it said that before I was told purchase was declined, so no change,
a bit more of a confirmation form amazon would be nice.
EDIT: What limitations come with 4 ms Response Time ?
Pretty good explanation of response time here:- https://www.onecomputerguy.com/1ms-vs-5ms
I dont think I need be concerned at all about it (and 4ms seems pretty usual especially for IPS).
EDIT: I'm probably gonna want one of these too soon:- https://www.amazon.co.uk/Invision-Ergonomic-Adjustable-Assisted-MX900-Black/dp/B091ZK3DPV/ref=grr_6/261-6764807-4915442?pd_rd_w=e037v&pf_rd_p=c60248da-42d1-460e-b831-15c92d78a628&pf_rd_r=10CY38E129ZWVG35CTYZ&pd_rd_r=8f4e108b-6a22-4d11-9174-98d5feee6510&pd_rd_wg=STOTy&pd_rd_i=B091ZK3DPV&psc=1
but will try find something similar at a better price. ['better' meaning cheaper - and maybe with 3 arms for 3rd monitor :) ]
EDIT: Actually, with one of those I maybe could have had enough space for a 32" screen and kept my 2nd monitor.
EDIT: Bank account now debited, everything on-track.
videoh
20th November 2021, 11:20
In a monitor with 5ms, this action will be completed five times slower than a 1ms monitor. Of course, all of this happens in the course of milliseconds, so you won’t notice much of a difference. Wow, those guys are really on the ball!
StainlessS
20th November 2021, 11:36
As screen refresh rate is 60FPS, so changes every 1/60 secs = ~16ms, so I dont really see any major
drawback to 4ms response time - gamers seem to think it makes some difference but I'm
guessin that a man on a galloping horse would not notice.
gispos
20th November 2021, 17:03
@StainlessS, which monitor did you buy now? The 28 inch Samsung or another 32 inch monitor?
I had already known the brackets and are probably a good alternative if the monitor itself does not offer enough stand settings.
StainlessS
20th November 2021, 18:10
I got the 28", due Monday.
[I had been looking at a 34" when I decided that I did not really have the space for 32", and 28" is a bit better than 27,
what I really wanted was the 10 bit thingy, and 4K sounded pretty good to me too].
EDIT: Review by MonitorNerds[sounds like they know a bit about monitors]:- https://www.monitornerds.com/samsung-u28r55-review/
I think I probably will get at least a single arm Gas Assisted monitor 'gibbet', should last a good time unlike monitors and PC's so maybe I splash out
a little more than I would like.
Review and unboxing on Youtube [mentions Monitor Arm caveats]:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41ewkZZ69GM
EDIT: Nuther review and a few tips in comments[says does not tilt, corrected in comments]:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb7qdBplicg
EDIT: And another:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM_lQSVNVzQ
gispos
20th November 2021, 18:48
Maybe you can tell me what FHD looks like with 200% on a 4K monitor. :)
StainlessS
20th November 2021, 19:00
If you're talking about Windows Scale thingy, it will not do that to image unless you size it in a player [only size windows borders, taskbar, text and such].
[ My eyes are probably not the best to base anything on :) ]
See added Youtube link above.
gispos
20th November 2021, 19:16
If you're talking about Windows Scale thingy, it will not do that to image unless you size it in a player [only size windows borders, taskbar, text and such].
[ My eyes are probably not the best to base anything on :) ]
See added Youtube link above.
No, I don't mean scaling with windows.
But in order to have the same visible size on a 4K monitor, the FHD video must be enlarged 200%.
And how does that look in contrast to an FHD monitor.
QBhd
20th November 2021, 19:26
That all depends on the scaling used in your video player and/or your graphics card. madVR can make 1080p look almost as good as 4k
QB
gispos
20th November 2021, 19:42
See added Youtube link above.
Videos just watched.
A really nice monitor, I also like that the buttons for setting are hidden. And with the extra bracket, the adjustment option is also perfect.
Congratulations on the new monitor.
StainlessS
20th November 2021, 19:55
A comment I stumbled across on reddit:- https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/ftte8j/anyone_have_the_samsung_ur55_series_28_ips_4k/
Alrighty, an update. So I've finally set it all up with my PS4 Pro and all, and man it is simply beautiful. I had my original PS4 plugged into it beforehand and fired it up to see it in 1080p and even that looked unbelievable. I thought the 1080p was 4K for a moment, and that was just on 2K20.
Played a few games of Modern Warfare last night in 4K and it was amazing. The colours were so vivid, the brightness was maybe too much which is good because that can just be turned down. The input lag was extremely low, I've never used a 1ms monitor but this was extremely quick. Also tried out PES2020 to see what a sports game would look like and that looked absolutely unreal too. I've not used the LG but judging by the reviews they're probably very similar, except the Samsung is cheaper and supposedly has a lower input response time.
He seems to like it.
EDIT:
Congratulations on the new monitor.
Well I probably would not have got a monitor update for a few months, but your thread put ideas in my head, so you deserve all the praise or blame. :)
gispos
20th November 2021, 23:18
Well I probably would not have got a monitor update for a few months, but your thread put ideas in my head, so you deserve all the praise or blame. :)
I don't know if this is good or bad for you now, I have put a heavy burden on myself. Forgive me. :D
I've already ruined my eyes from reading all the monitor test reports and still can't decide.:o
StainlessS
21st November 2021, 03:55
... from reading all the monitor test reports and still can't decide.:o
Well at least say what other one/ones you cant decide upon, so as to give me a little pause for thought, and maybe a bit of regret.
What are your alternatives ?
gispos
21st November 2021, 09:46
Well at least say what other one/ones you cant decide upon, so as to give me a little pause for thought, and maybe a bit of regret.
What are your alternatives ?
Asus
https://webshop.asus.com/de/90LM06T0-B01E70/ASUS-VP32AQ-80-01cm-31-5-Zoll-Eye-Care-Monitor # one of my favourites 32"
BenQ:
https://www.benq.eu/en-eu/monitor/designer/pd3200q.html # one of my favourites 32"
https://www.benq.eu/en-eu/monitor/designer/pd2500q.html
https://www.benq.eu/en-eu/monitor/designer/pd2705q.html # one of my favourites 27"
https://www.benq.eu/en-eu/monitor/designer/pd2700q.html
https://www.benq.eu/en-eu/monitor/video-post-production/pv270.html # one of my favourites 27" but a bit expensive (700€)
LG
https://www.amazon.com/LG-27QN880-B-2560x1440-Compatibility-Connectivity/dp/B089NJLJ2Q # one of my favourites 27"
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/27GN88A-B-UltraGear-Gaming-Monitor-Ergonomic/dp/B088BSBXWK
videoh
21st November 2021, 13:08
QHD is yucky.
VoodooFX
21st November 2021, 14:14
People say that 120Hz should be minimum, that there is too much strain on eyes with 75Hz ones.
StainlessS
21st November 2021, 15:35
The Samsung 28" just arrived [1 day early].
Manual from it:- https://www.mediafire.com/file/kfc8ty4wiui7d6j/Samsung_U28R55_%255BBN46-01082A%255D-Eng.pdf/file
Not gonna setup just yet, gonna go to park and feed the ducks.
gispos
21st November 2021, 16:21
People say that 120Hz should be minimum, that there is too much strain on eyes with 75Hz ones.
I don't think so.
The next thing is the graphics card, I have an MSI Gtx 950 with HDMI 1.4 and 3 x DisplayPorts 1.2
The maximum refresh rate for UHD via the DisplayPorts is 60 Hz.
And with the current prices of graphic cards, buying a new one is out of the question.
Before Corona, I wanted to buy one and had hesitated, now the same card costs almost three times as much.
The Samsung 28" just arrived [1 day early].
Manual from it:- https://www.mediafire.com/file/kfc8ty4wiui7d6j/Samsung_U28R55_%255BBN46-01082A%255D-Eng.pdf/file
Not gonna setup just yet, gonna go to park and feed the ducks.
Fine, then have fun with it and don't overfeed the ducks.
videoh
21st November 2021, 16:47
He who hesitates is lost.
StainlessS
21st November 2021, 18:27
He who hesitates is lost.
Look before you leap.
Many hands make light work [Too many cooks spoil the broth].
(nearly all [well many] sayings have an inverse)
videoh
22nd November 2021, 04:34
Well, he lost and I didn't. My 3090 is kicking ass on all my projects. The 4090 will be even better. Ya know?
StainlessS
22nd November 2021, 15:20
Well finally got the 28" Samsung 4K set up [bout 30 mins ago].
No 2nd monitor yet, and some bits and pieces inaccesible for a few days so not gonna be happy until then.
I've ordered two monitor arms (two singles rather than a double - future proof), and a bit pushed for space until I get them,
the monitor foot takes quite a bit of desk area that I used to have for other stuff under the monitor, and the monitor is
lower than I would like, top of monitor is at eye level (actually recomended setup according to previous monitor manual),
but I prefer monitor center at eye level (no need to avoid eg window reflections where it is situated).
Running at 4K 150% Windows 10 scaling, no probs so far. [running at boot up defaults - no changes at all, monitor, or Windows].
Forum names above avatar no longer orange, now 'stab-in-the-eye' vermillion, and reds are very red.
Overall a bit warmer colors than I'm used to but i can change in [EDIT: monitor] settings if i decide i dont like that.
I dont have any 4K video [makes me wonder why i wanted 4K, dont even have a blue ray drive, although I was looking at some USB drives recently].
I did try with some FHD music videos that I've seen many times on FHD monitor, and found that I badly noticed that my attempts at framerate doubling were
not very successful, nasty interpolation swirls and stuff in fast motion when viewed 1080p scaled to UHD - its bad that I noticed but is more that I did not
notice (or as least not as much) on the FHD monitor. [EDIT: On FHD monitor, I thought I had done a good job - 4K reveals not]
I will not have a 2nd monitor for a few days [Thursday monitor arms will be delivered] and will probably remain with 2nd monitor 19" 4:3 HP monitor,
even with the arm, I dont think i can squeeze in my old monitor, but we'll see.
Monitor arms, I went for 2 of these[cheap and cheerful Amazon Choice]:- https://www.amazon.co.uk/Invision-Single-Monitor-Mount-Screens-Black/dp/B09963RQ6Y/ref=sr_1_20?keywords=monitor+mount&qid=1637540992&sr=8-20
(I anticipate that I'll get a 3rd for my no2 m/c if they are as expected).
EDIT: Booted into Linux Mint and all A.O.K, no palava, was already switched to UHD.
EDIT: Switched to 150% zoom in Linux firefox settings. (just a bit more comfortable, not sure if I need to do that in windows too)
EDIT: Samsung deserves a good 'kick in the stones' for the 75x75mm VESA mounting, where the ubiquitous 75x75 and 100x100 dual plates just will not fit into
the Samsung U55R vesa recess, either you start cutting metal from the dual vesa plate or have to use some kind of 'standoff' to make the mount plates fit,
I'll use a metal [EDIT: washer and] nut as standoff and have already sent for some extra length (16mm) m4 vesa sized bolts. [hope 16mm will be enough, originals 12mm].
videoh
22nd November 2021, 16:29
"Overall a bit warmer colors than I'm used to but i can change in settings if i decide i dont like that."
Check out the video preset settings in the monitor itself. Things with names like Cinema, Vivid, etc. I too prefer a cooler look.
StainlessS
22nd November 2021, 16:46
Yes got that - its what I meant.
Also, found out that my GTX 1070 Founders Edition has only 5 ports (I said 6), 3 Display Port (I thought 4), 1 HDMI port, and 1 DVI.
I don't think Linux Mint has set auto zoom 150% thingy, there's so much additional real estate, maybe I keep it like that for the moment at least.
EDIT: I've had to increase height of Linux Mint Panel [Taskbar], was way too small.
EDIT: Gone to feed the ducks [in the dark, just about dusk now]
gispos
22nd November 2021, 20:40
EDIT: Samsung deserves a good 'kick in the stones' for the 75x75mm VESA mounting, where the ubiquitous 75x75 and 100x100 dual plates just will not fit into
the Samsung U55R vesa recess,
That's really annoying, but good that everything else is okay.
gispos
22nd November 2021, 21:35
I did try with some FHD music videos that I've seen many times on FHD monitor, and found that I badly noticed that my attempts at framerate doubling were
not very successful, nasty interpolation swirls and stuff in fast motion when viewed 1080p scaled to UHD - its bad that I noticed but is more that I did not
notice (or as least not as much) on the FHD monitor.
Back then, back in the time of the tube monitor, I also had a few videos that I watched over and over again with pleasure.
Then came the new flat screen that I was looking forward to so much.
The problem was now that I could no longer watch my favorite strips with pleasure... the video quality was suddenly terrible.
StainlessS
23rd November 2021, 15:18
the video quality was suddenly terrible.
Thats progress for you :)
Anyways, I'm happy, but 10bpc is disabled in NVidia settings for some reason, I'll get around to figuring out why at some stage,
maybe needs GTX1070 or U55R firmware update or something.
EDIT: I got a bread maker machine a few weeks back [never had one before], clearly the novelty has not worn off yet
as I'm waiting now for another 1:40:00 before the bread is ready so I can go feed the ducks, geese, swans, moorhens, and coots,
with nice fresh baked bread. [I'll have 1 bit of crust with some Marmite (or peanut butter) myself, they can have the rest] :)
EDIT: Dang, loaf is nearly touching the window [~2mm off], maybe I used a little too much lime juice.
[ Lime juice high in vitamin C, yeast loves vitamin C, makes for quicker, better rise. (Jif, more convienient than vitamin C tablets or powder, better than lemon {more C})]
RedDwarf1
23rd November 2021, 19:10
A few links I have with monitor reviews:
https://tftcentral.co.uk/
https://pcmonitors.info/
https://www.trustedreviews.com/type/monitors
https://monitors-uk.com/
https://www.prad.de/
I could not use a monitor with a low (60Hz) refresh rate because I can see unpleasant trails when the display moves such as a scrolling webpage. I purchased a BenQ VA panel from Amazon around 5 or 6 years ago and really disliked it because it left terrible trails on certain colours. I use black backgrounds and webpages would show very distracting motion artefacts which I could not tolerate so I sent it back. White text on black backgrounds seem to show up monitors that cannot handle motion very well in some cases whereas black text on white background do not show a problem. I got a 144Hz monitor which was a lot better although the colour was fairly poor. Many monitors are great for stationary pictures but are poor with motion. VA panels can be terrible and there are articles on youtube showing the effects encountered with VA panels. VA panels do have one benefit with regard to contrast which is around 3x higher than IPS panels. BTW don't knock gaming or dismiss a monitor because it says it's a gaming monitor because they can provide much better pixel response times than none gaming monitors. My monitor is capable of 144Hz over displayport and DVI DL but I tend to run it at 120 Hz because my graphics card can downclock to it's lowest frequency when running at 120Hz but, the memory in particular, runs at a higher clock for any refresh rates above 120Hz.
Off topic: BTW cooking/baking Vitamin C will destroy it because it is very heat sensitive. It's the cabon dioxide which is produced by yeast consuming sugar which makes bread rise. Sodium bicarb and an acid, or baking powder (sodium bicarb & acid) can also release carbon dioxide which can help bread to rise.
StainlessS
23rd November 2021, 19:38
BTW don't knock gaming or dismiss ...
I would not do that, for gaming, pretty much everything has to be the best, much more so than
for an office typists PC where PC would spend 99% of its time waiting for a key to be pressed.
(However, I dont play games)
I would love a 240Hz monitor, but us paupers gotta be more conservative in our choices,
also, any short-comings in the monitor I've just got, I can put down to my lousy eyesight [so long as nobody points out the real problem],
self delusion can be a good thing and make for a happier life.
And Yes, we just wanna keep the yeast happy whilst its still alive.
(I actually had to leave house about dusk to feed ducks and bread was still hot, did not have time for marmite crust so they got that too,
did not seem overly perturbed that bread was hand hot - they loved it).
[many of the geese got out of the water when they saw me coming, so did not have water cooled bits o' bread].
EDIT: Sodium Bicarb, Citric Acid, and Tartaric Acid [Cream of Tartar] make a nice sherbet, add to bubbling toffee and you've got Cinder Toffee.
[Add to toffee at end and be ready to take off heat QUICK as it rises bloody fast like Vesuvius - stir with wooden spatula]
EDIT: "nice sherbet", Like Barratt's Sherbet Fountain, the one from years ago in yellow tube with stick of liquorice tube/straw sticking out the top.
[powdered citric acid and tartaric acid - to be like Barratt's Sherbet Fountain]:- https://www.amazon.co.uk/Barratt-Sherbet-Fountain-25g-Bag/dp/B0046D5XK4
EDIT: When I was a kid, was about 3 OLD pence for Barratts Sherbet Fountain, thats about 1 new pence [ £0.01 ], now £6.69 for 12,
is that inflation, or daylight robbery.
EDIT: Oops, Cinder Toffee is just toffee and Bicarb, but sherbet makes for a sherbet-y cinder toffee.
Cinder toffee, AKA yellowman, sponge toffee, puff candy. [When covered in chocolate, known as Crunchie in the UK.]
EDIT: q) Is it called Outlook365 because its sooo slow ?
RedDwarf1
24th November 2021, 17:25
In case you missed it, if you shop on the following link it pays your selected charity each time that you shop ;) Once you go to the link it will ask you to select your chosen charity. At least it gets a little something back from Jeff Bezos.
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/
for other Amazon countries use>
https://smile.amazon.
and add the correct top level domain for your locality ie com, de, fr, in, it etc. Amazon does provide a service to direct to the local Amazon for affiliates who set that up but I am not involved with that. I seem to remember/believe that Amazon will remind you if you visit the Amazon site not using the smile link so that you can redirect to the correct URL to get the charity donation.
I avoid sugar so it has been well over thirty years since I look at sweets and then only in very small amounts.
On topic, when selecting a monitor I chose one which my graphics card could cope with because anything higher than Full HD would of been difficult for my mid range graphics card when doing advanced 3D such as Unigine Valley, Heaven and Superposition and similar graphics cards tests. For some of them my GTX1660 struggles to maintain a usable frame rate. Gaming is similar. A second monitor would be nice but I will have to wait for that. 2x 24" FullHD monitors should fit on my desk than anything larger.
For the OP, monitors frequently have "acceptable" faults such as dead pixels, Back Light Bleed, display uniformity errors and delta E, colour accuracy.
I purchased an X-Rite i1 Display Pro after I purchased the VA panel to calibrate it but nothing could get that monitor into an acceptable state which is why I returned it. It came in useful for the next monitor I purchased and I did manage to get the contrast ratio over 1000:1 it was something like 1040:1 but it has been some years since I did it and cannot remember precisely.
If this would bother you then I recommend that you do not go looking for it. There are some real monitor horror stories out there.
StainlessS
24th November 2021, 19:24
Got my two monitor arms today [1 day early], sadly the screws I sent for also turned up but are about 6mm M4 grub screws, so totally useless to me
What I ordered, 4mm Machine Screws/Bolts M4 x 16mm A2 Stainless Steel Pozi Pan Head Mch Screw (20 Pack).
Had to get some from local shop.
I have never really been one for sweets, once every couple of years I binge on chocolate for a few days, then dont want it
for another couple of years. Liquorice an exception, love that, espc real liquorice [not confectioners liquorice, hard stuff that shatters when you drop it - not sweet - used as laxative].
(something for RedDwarf1) Fantastic Swimmer:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4TLto-nKfU
EDIT: Monitor arms now both set up.
More desk space, and can have monitor a little further back which is nice.
They can both swing forward giving access to rear of monitors.
Main monitor dont lift up quite as high as I would like, but that it due to Samsung UR55 having VESA mount high up on back of monitor.
All-in-all I'm very happy with the Gas Assisted mounts, probably order another one for my No 2 machine tomorrow.
(As it turns out, the screws supplied with mounts were adequate for the job using a 6mm nut as a stand-off because of bad vesa recess design).
StainlessS
1st December 2021, 00:18
Got the Samsung UR55 doing 4K 10 bits per channel, and simultaneous 2nd monitor 8 bpc on an HP 19" VGA [HP L1910] via a Display port to VGA adapter.
Had problems where VGA monitor kept blacking out, sometimes temporarily, then maybe permanently.
Possible problem item, GTX 1070, DP->VGA adapter, VGA cable, or VGA monitor. Sent for pack of 3 DP->VGA adapters and they worked fine so was adapter at fault.
Could not get UR55 doing 10 bits per channel at 4K using Samsung supplied 4K HDMI cable, maybe cable not rated for 4K 10bpc, or maybe my GTX 1070 HDMI not
high enough version for 10 bit. Anyways, I had already gotten (some time ago) a 4K Display port cable, and that works just fine at 4K 10bpc.
My GTX 1070 is Founders Edition (first edition that other manufacturers eg MSI use as base design), maybe old firmware.
OK, so now I got 10 bpc, so what do I do with it? [just seems to use more GPU watching a {8 bit} movie].
How is it going GisPos ?
EDIT: For 10 bpc, apparently W10 requires at least 1809, and minimum nVidia driver version,
got Linux Mint doing 4K but not yet 10 bpc [linux only on driver version 470.xx, think requires at least either 471.xx or 472.xx].
EDIT:
W10 requires at least 1809
Methinks I remember needs {at least} 1809 2nd edition, ie they updated 1809 setup ISO some time later (maybe in 2019 or 2020).
BombiAlana
13th January 2022, 19:56
I have a 27-inch 144Mhz monitor and it is quite enough. Dell company.
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