DirectShow player problems with the new HALLOWEEN UHD

[Grimsdyke]

Hi guys, I have received Shout's new version of John Carpenter's classic from 1978 and both MPC-BE and HC have problems with it. I think I have tested all possible combinations of players,
filters and renderers.

Description of the problem:
There are 5 audio tracks on this disc and the players load it this way, but:

- all 5 tracks are listed as dts hd-ma stereo although there is a 7.1 and a 5.1 track on it.

- the movie plays only when one of the first two audio tracks is selected. When I select one of the others playback just stops. Going back to track 1 or 2 makes playback resumes.

My first thought was that I got a bad disc but VLC handles this disc perfectly !! Does anyone maybe know what the problem could be ?

[Aleksoid1978]

Upload disk or give torrent link/magnet.

[Aleksoid1978]

Use BDInfo (https://www.videohelp.com/software/BDInfo) to view disc information.

[Grimsdyke]

Thanks, here is the info. So the player looks for the 7.1 track and gets confused because it can't be found ?

Disc Title: Halloween
Disc Label: HALLOWEEN
Disc Size: 69,969,782,579 bytes
Protection: AACS2
Extras: Ultra HD
BDInfo: 0.7.5.6

Notes:

BDINFO HOME:
Cinema Squid (old)
http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/tools/bdinfo
UniqProject GitHub (new)
https://github.com/UniqProject/BDInfo

INCLUDES FORUMS REPORT FOR:
AVS Forum Blu-ray Audio and Video Specifications Thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1155731

WARNING: File errors were encountered during scan:

00006.M2TS Unzulässige Funktion.

bei System.IO.__Error.WinIOError(Int32 errorCode, String maybeFullPath)
bei System.IO.FileStream.Init(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, Int32 rights, Boolean useRights, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options, SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES secAttrs, String msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy, Boolean useLongPath, Boolean checkHost)
bei System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options, String msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy)
bei System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, Boolean useAsync)
bei BDInfo.TSStreamFile.Scan(List`1 playlists, Boolean isFullScan)
bei BDInfo.FormMain.ScanBDROMThread(Object parameter)

00005.M2TS Unzulässige Funktion.

bei System.IO.__Error.WinIOError(Int32 errorCode, String maybeFullPath)
bei System.IO.FileStream.Init(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, Int32 rights, Boolean useRights, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options, SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES secAttrs, String msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy, Boolean useLongPath, Boolean checkHost)
bei System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options, String msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy)
bei System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, Boolean useAsync)
bei BDInfo.TSStreamFile.Scan(List`1 playlists, Boolean isFullScan)
bei BDInfo.FormMain.ScanBDROMThread(Object parameter)

00000.M2TS Unzulässige Funktion.

bei System.IO.__Error.WinIOError(Int32 errorCode, String maybeFullPath)
bei System.IO.FileStream.Init(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, Int32 rights, Boolean useRights, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options, SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES secAttrs, String msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy, Boolean useLongPath, Boolean checkHost)
bei System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options, String msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy)
bei System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, Boolean useAsync)
bei BDInfo.TSStreamFile.Scan(List`1 playlists, Boolean isFullScan)
bei BDInfo.FormMain.ScanBDROMThread(Object parameter)

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PLAYLIST: 00002.MPLS
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Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
00002.MPLS HEVC 1:31:46 0 69,969,782,579 0.00 0.00 DTS-HD Master 2.0 DTS-HD Master 5.1




DISC INFO:

Disc Title: Halloween
Disc Label: HALLOWEEN
Disc Size: 69,969,782,579 bytes
Protection: AACS2
Extras: Ultra HD
BDInfo: 0.7.5.6

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00002.MPLS
Length: 1:31:46.333 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 0 bytes
Total Bitrate: 0.00 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-H HEVC Video 0 kbps 2160p / 24 fps / 16:9
* MPEG-H HEVC Video 0 kbps 1080p / 24 fps / 16:9

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 0 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz
DTS-HD Master Audio English 0 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 0 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz
Dolby Digital Audio English 0 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz
Dolby Digital Audio English 0 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 0.000 kbps

FILES:

Name Time In Length Size Total Bitrate
---- ------- ------ ---- -------------
00006.M2TS 0:00:00.000 0:00:18.708 0 0
00005.M2TS 0:00:18.708 0:00:15.291 0 0
00000.M2TS 0:00:34.000 1:31:12.333 0 0

CHAPTERS:

Number Time In Length Avg Video Rate Max 1-Sec Rate Max 1-Sec Time Max 5-Sec Rate Max 5-Sec Time Max 10Sec Rate Max 10Sec Time Avg Frame Size Max Frame Size Max Frame Time
------ ------- ------ -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- --------------
1 0:00:00.000 0:11:43.666 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000
2 0:11:43.666 0:07:27.083 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000
3 0:19:10.750 0:07:47.583 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000
4 0:26:58.333 0:06:59.666 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000
5 0:33:58.000 0:09:35.250 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000
6 0:43:33.250 0:07:32.458 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000
7 0:51:05.708 0:07:57.666 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000
8 0:59:03.375 0:07:35.041 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000
9 1:06:38.416 0:06:48.375 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000
10 1:13:26.791 0:08:03.500 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000
11 1:21:30.291 0:05:06.666 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000
12 1:26:36.958 0:05:09.375 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Codec Language Seconds Bitrate Bytes Packets
---- --- ---- ----- -------- -------------- -------------- ------------- -----


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QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: Halloween
Disc Label: HALLOWEEN
Disc Size: 69,969,782,579 bytes
Protection: AACS2
Playlist: 00002.MPLS
Size: 0 bytes
Length: 1:31:46.333
Total Bitrate: 0.00 Mbps
Video: MPEG-H HEVC Video / 0 kbps / 2160p / 24 fps / 16:9
* Video: MPEG-H HEVC Video / 0 kbps / 1080p / 24 fps / 16:9
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz
Audio: English / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz
Subtitle: English / 0.000 kbps


********************
PLAYLIST: 00000.MPLS
********************

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Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
00000.MPLS AVC 0:00:26 0 69,969,782,579 0.00 0.00 DTS-HD Master 2.0




DISC INFO:

Disc Title: Halloween
Disc Label: HALLOWEEN
Disc Size: 69,969,782,579 bytes
Protection: AACS2
Extras: Ultra HD
BDInfo: 0.7.5.6

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00000.MPLS
Length: 0:00:26.818 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 0 bytes
Total Bitrate: 0.00 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 0 kbps 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 0 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz

FILES:

Name Time In Length Size Total Bitrate
---- ------- ------ ---- -------------
00003.M2TS 0:00:00.000 0:00:26.818 0 0

CHAPTERS:

Number Time In Length Avg Video Rate Max 1-Sec Rate Max 1-Sec Time Max 5-Sec Rate Max 5-Sec Time Max 10Sec Rate Max 10Sec Time Avg Frame Size Max Frame Size Max Frame Time
------ ------- ------ -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- --------------
1 0:00:00.000 0:00:26.818 0 kbps 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 kbps 00:00:00.000 0 bytes 0 bytes 00:00:00.000

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Codec Language Seconds Bitrate Bytes Packets
---- --- ---- ----- -------- -------------- -------------- ------------- -----


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QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: Halloween
Disc Label: HALLOWEEN
Disc Size: 69,969,782,579 bytes
Protection: AACS2
Playlist: 00000.MPLS
Size: 0 bytes
Length: 0:00:26.818
Total Bitrate: 0.00 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 0 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz

[Grimsdyke]

I have inspected the disc also with MakeMKV and if I am not mistaken I think I know what the problem is.
On the disc are the main movie file and others like one with the jingle for the production company, etc. All these files have the same audio tracks configuration.

However, when BE and HC loads the files they seem to create a 'first chapter' and here 5 dts-hd ma stereo are wrongly created and then it segues into the movie and this seem to confuse the player
because the audio tracke are then quite different because audio 3 is then trueHD. Track 4 and 5 are then ac3 !!

As I said this affects both MC BE and HC so the bug seem to be somewhere deep in the original MPC code base.

[videoh]

On the disc are the main movie file and others like one with the jingle for the production company, etc. All these files have the same audio tracks configuration. Which MPLS are you talking about? You show 00000.mpls and 00002.mpls

Can you load just 00000.m2ts into your player and tell us what happens?

[clsid]

In case of MPC-HC the bluray parsing in the player itself is limited to finding the longest playlist (generally the main movie). The playback itself is handled by LAV Filters. That doesn't support the audio format of a track changing during the movie. You would need to ask nevcairiel if he can add support for that.

[Aleksoid1978]

MPC-BE opens and identifies audio tracks correctly.
https://i.imgur.com/ePxDWAN.png

P.S. You use LAV Filters in MPC-BE ?

[videoh]

In case of MPC-HC the bluray parsing in the player itself is limited to finding the longest playlist (generally the main movie). The playback itself is handled by LAV Filters. That doesn't support the audio format of a track changing during the movie. That's why I suggested to just load the last M2TS as the first two seem to be short fluff that might contain the offending audio.

[Grimsdyke]

Thanks for all the suggestions - please give me a little time to look at them carefully.

@Aleksoid. Thanks for the screenshot and I think this shows the problem quite clearly !
The runtime for you is 1:31:12 -> so without the jingles.
My runtime is always 1:31:46. How can I make sure that the only the movie file gets loaded ?

[Aleksoid1978]

Open 00000.m2ts directly.
Default (longest) playlist 00002.mpls contain 00006.m2ts + 00005.m2ts + 00000.m2ts. 00006.m2ts and 00005.m2ts is short and contain only DTS-HD MA Stereo.
MPC-BE/HC players not support parse/change audio/video/subtitles tracks "on the fly".

[Grimsdyke]

Confirmed, thanks - however this only worked on my system when I deleted the libaacs-files from the BE (and HC) folders. This gave me some headaches.

Would it be possible to add the ability that BE just ignores such files and jumps directly to the main file within a mpls - or maybe just ignores/removes the audio in such files to avoid this problem ??

[Aleksoid1978]

Would it be possible to add the ability that BE just ignores such files and jumps directly to the main file within a mpls - or maybe just ignores/removes the audio in such files to avoid this problem ??

No - all information inside .mpls/.clpi files. Need single file - open .m2ts directly.

[Grimsdyke]

I have a new problematic blu-ray and instead of starting a new thread I thought it would be helpful to have these issues in one thread.
O.K., the blu-ray contains the movie and two trailers and with VLC I can access and watch all content.

With MPC-BE and HC I can fortunately watch the movie without any problems, however when I try to watch the trailers for example via -> navigation the player loads for a few seconds and then just closes !
I can, however, open and watch the trailers by opening the mpls for them directly.
Any ideas what might be causing this ?

[Grimsdyke]

Just tested this HALLOWEEN UHD again but with the mpv-player and forks of it like implay or mpc-qt and surprisingly they show the same behaviour like BE and HC !!
I thought it was directshow problem only.

Is there any way to find out what exactly VLC does differently ?

[Grimsdyke]

JRiver (in trial mode) fails too !! Fascinating ...

[Aleksoid1978]

Yes, no one just needs to bother with the processing of such BD.

[Grimsdyke]

Well, the VLC team did care !!

[Aleksoid1978]

Well, the VLC team did care !!

So - use VLC.

[Klaus1189]

Well, the VLC team did care !!

They don't care. That is most likely accidentally working in VLC.

[Grimsdyke]

That is most likely the result of years long experiences since the times of Windows 98 with many, many awkwardly authored DVD releases and knewing it won't get much better with blu-ray !!

[Klaus1189]

Can you post link of release, i buy and test also this special BD

[Grimsdyke]

It's the Shout Factory release from the USA and that would be way too expensive just for testing.
However, the included BD and UHD are identical in contents and so both are effected by this issue. I could send you the BD only and you could then return it after your tests.

But on the other hand, what for ? Alex confirmed in this thread that the issue exists, he is just not interested in fixing this bug.
What I find so surprising is that he and also NEV seem to be not even curious to, at least, look what VLC does better ! I mean VLC is open source, maybe it's just a few lines of code to port and add ?
Well, I am not a programmer so I can unfortunately only report problems.

[Klaus1189]

I want to test. I send pm

[Grimsdyke]

O.K. will send on Monday or Tuesday. By the way, your PM inbox is full :D

[Klaus1189]

Ok ... and ... Oh ...:D

[Klaus1189]

I got today, will do it in the next days. Very tired from work now.

[nevcairiel]

This is not the first disc with this problem, I know exactly what the disc does and how it could be fixed. Its just not really worth the complexity to do so in the current design of Blu-ray support in LAV Splitter.

[Grimsdyke]

Thanks for these infos !! So a complete fix would be way too much work for just a few problematic discs and only me annoyed by it Fair enough. :D

But how about a workaround ? Let's say, just as a thought, LAV sees that the disc HALLOWEEN with a bdmv folder created on 12.08.2021 22:32 is loaded and knows that 00002.mpls is "bad".
So instead it uses a new mpls with a 0000.m2ts + 0006.m2ts + 0005.m2ts sequence. (I mean, I wouldn't care about any issues after the movie is finished ![)
Or maybe a mpls with only 0000.m2ts ?

Again, just an idea as a starting point because I really do not know how many lines and hours of coding this would take..

[Klaus1189]

tomorrow I test :)

[Grimsdyke]

@devs - stumbled over this earlier today.

MPLS2JSON.exe
– converts .mpls playlist, .clpi clip information file or .bdjo BD-J object file into human&machine readable JSON file, or
– converts .json file into binary .mpls, .clpi or .bdjo file. This reverse operation can be used for modification of the content of the .mpls/.clip/.bdjo file.

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=174563

[Klaus1189]

I just need one more week, I am going to send it back to you next WE