Desktop processor and motherboard specifically for transcoding audio.

[rupeshforu3]

Hi I am Rupesh from India and I want to buy a new pc with processor and motherboard which are manufactured specifically for audio and video.

From the past few years I am using my system to convert MP3 songs to m4a files as m4a file takes less memory space using tools like foobar and ffmpeg and the quality is acceptable.

At present my system is not working properly and so I have decided to buy a new PC and searched web for processor with specific audio dsp.


In the Intel website they have specified that they have developed Intel HD audio and windows is implementing Intel's HD audio into their os as UAA. They have even specified some chpisets.

In the amd website they have specified that they have incorporated a technology called true audio into their ryzen processors.

Unfortunately starting price of ryzen processor is high and so I have searched for another processor and found amd Athlon A 3000G perfectly suits for my current need and also affordable. The disadvantage is it doesn't have true audio.

Amd ryzen processors costs high but those has many advanced features like Zen instruction set, true audio, integrated Radeon graphics etc., which cannot be found in Intel and even in the other family of amd processors.

At present I am using PC with amd fx 4100 bulldozer processor and it has 8mb l3 cache and with DDR3 ram. But my PC doesn't have specific audio component.

As I am going to buy a new PC according to my needs I also want to buy a new sound card to transcode MP3 songs to m4a files.

If I transcode the same audio mp3 file using the same foobar and ffmpeg in two systems one is normal and another is a PC with highly tuned processor which has true audio or Intel HD audio. Is there any difference in the quality of the audio file generated between the two files with the same transcoder software like foobar and ffmpeg and with the audio dsp.

Please try to answer the above question ie., Is there any role of the audio dsp present in PC during the audio transcoding process. Some has argued that there is no specific role of processor or audio dsp during transcoding process because the transcoder like ffmpeg is an algorithm. Is it true.

If your answer is there is " yes there is the part of audio dsp circuit during the transcoding process ". Please try to suggest a nice audio dsp which is affordable and which can be inserted into the pci slot of my system.

My another question is " Is there any need to buy a processor which has technology such as true audio or Intel HD audio specifically for transcoding process.".

I have created this thread because I am not familiar as you with audio dsp circuits etc.,.


Regards,
Rupesh.,

[jlw_4049]

No need. Any core can encode with the same quality.

Also you're encoding a lossy format to another lossy format so you don't need any high end audio tech

If you're purely encoding audio which takes little to no processing power you could just get a used dell inspiron, literally any core could do it. A dual core would be plenty.

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[rupeshforu3]

Ok I will buy a pc with normal processor but some people argued a lot that there is a lot of role of the encoder being used and you must configure your sound card to get optimal output.

Previously I have encoded the MP4 file which is captured in android smartphone in two systems one which is old and another which has latest Radeon graphics and the new system generated quickly and old didn't. There was a small difference in the quality of two files. Some people even suggested that x265 video transcoding is not good in older system which lower version of Radeon graphics.

Can I expect same to happen in the audio transcoding process.

Even some people argued that encoder like fdkaac is just an algorithm and it works same in any PC. Is it true try to answer this particular question correctly.

[videoh]

Can I expect same to happen in the audio transcoding process. No, the GPU does not accelerate audio encoding.

jlw_4049 already answered you correctly.

[rupeshforu3]

Thanks for your clarification.

[rupeshforu3]

Can I think that the only role of true audio and Intel HD audio is producing good sound through speakers. If anything else please try to specify.

[videoh]

Yes, that is mostly correct. Other things you can find through a little research. Bottom line is that audio encoding is not hardware accelerated on GPUs, which is what you seemed to be asking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_TrueAudio

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/chipsets/high-definition-audio.html

[rupeshforu3]

Thanks for your patience and positive response.

[tormento]

No, the GPU does not accelerate audio encoding.
AFAIK there is a flac cuda build but I've never tried it.

[Selur]

FlaCuda is probably a world's first CUDA-enabled FLAC encoder. It's opensource and licensed under LGPL. Newer versions of FlaCuda use OpenCL instead of CUDA, adding support for AMD GPUs.
http://cue.tools/wiki/FLACCL
it's quite a while since I tested it, but back then it worked.

[rupeshforu3]

I have searched for processor in Intel and Amd website's and found that they are selling two kinds of processors ie., With integrated graphics and other without any graphics integrated.

I have found that processors without GPU costs less and even provide better performance than the processors which have integrated graphics.

suppose I choose i5 10400f which doesn't have any integrated graphics. I must buy a graphics card.

As I am not a gamer I don't want high end graphics and so I want an entry level graphics card which is compatible with my processor.

Can you specify any entry level graphics card which can work with my system and provide output to monitor.

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[tebasuna51]

Like you I'm not a gamer and have a low end graphics card show in the image.

It have a pasive cooler, without fans, to override any extra sound when play.
Check the memory type, better GDDR5.
Compatibility: Motherboard with one or above PCI-Express x 16 slot
Don't need extra power supply (only 20 W).

Support 2 screens (a monitor 1080 and a TV 2160) and can play without problems HEVC 2160.

Here I can buy it now at 105€ (in 2019 only 68€)
There are also a more old (2013) GT 730 at 85€ but I don't test it.

[rupeshforu3]

Ok thanks

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[huhn]

just take a CPU with a iGPU in this case.

they cost less compared to an external card and the perforamcne differenace is meaningless.
in terms of power there is no dGPU that even gets close to a iGPU.

AMD APU are usually slower than a comparable CPU (core number, GHZ and tech) this is not the case for intel where a F CPU simply doesn't have an iGPU but the rest is identical.

[junh1024]

I would agree with huhn, you can buy a CPU w/i GPU for audio conversion or general use, it would save money & power overall than buying separately.

The latest intel/AMD CPU w/i GPUs should do a OK job, even with gaming, multiple monitors, and openGL/CL.

[rupeshforu3]

Are there any external graphics cards compatible with the latest amd ryzen or Intel with 1gb memory.

I think that 1 gb memory graphics card costs less.

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[tebasuna51]

The graphical cards must be compatible with Motherboard (PCI) and Screen (conector VGA, DVI, HDMI), no problem with processor.
Of course there are cheap cards (until 20€), check offers in your country.
There are also Motherboards with graphics in board, without need graphics card.

[junh1024]

We have a case study of Intel i3 CPUs with iGPU & no iGPU (F models): https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i3-10100-vs-Intel-i3-10100F-vs-Intel-i3-10105-vs-Intel-i3-10105F/3717vs3863vs4259vs4175

With no iGPU, you save about $40, but the cheapest new GPU with 1GB VRAM is $50 (MSI 710 GT) https://www.newegg.com/p/1FT-0009-00169
On top of that, there is a running cost of extra $40/year due to extra discrete GPU.

Conclusion: buying a low-end CPU (no iGPU) & GPU separately will not really save money, but will actually cost more, due to extra electricity costs.

[rupeshforu3]

Thanks for your suggestions

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[rupeshforu3]

In the following link they specified some of the amd GPUs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_Rx_300_series

In this page they specified that Radeon R5 330 is the entry level.

Where I can find Radeon R5 330 graphics card.

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[rupeshforu3]

Ok may I know the lowest price amd ryzen processor with builtin graphics.

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[huhn]

that's not an easy task availablity is very different over the globe.

AMD athlon 200GE i have not seen one in years beware with AMD you need mainboard with a bios version that supports it that cvan be very tricky because AMD messed a bit up by making new bios version not supporting older CPU (the bios is not big enough).
there is also the 3000G which is really really slow.
i have not seen good pricing on zen APU in a while.

an i3 10100 is available anywhere here and should be fast enough for your use case.

the r5 330 is a very very old GPU which barely any power and very high power consumption.

[rupeshforu3]

ln all of the specifications page of ryzen processors they specified socket as AM4.

I have seen a lot of reviews and I have seen everywhere as AM4. It means that any ryzen processor can be used with AM4 socket.

In the Intel forums I have asked as " Is there any processor with architecture like amd bulldozer processor". They replied as to search for alder lake.

I want a processor with more ipc ie., more instructions per cycle and from amd I have found excavator,zen etc.,.

I am searching intel for processor with more ipc and more l3 cache memory.

From both intel and amd there are few processors which have more ipc and more l3 cache memory with few cores.

For me 4 cores are enough with 3.5 ghz but I am expecting l3 cache more than 8 mb.

I think that few cores costs less and more l3 cache perform smoothly.

My final need is I want a processor with 4 cores and 8 mb l3 cache and ddr4 memory support with integrated graphics. It may be from Intel or amd.

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[huhn]

slow don't a sec.

the fastest IPC is currently alder lake (no i3 yet) the i5 is most likely the best CPU out there with price and performance now. it's really good unlike older intel CPUs where zen is often better but not generally.

ignore things like cache size or even core number only look at real world perforamnce even an i3 has 6 mb l3 cache.

you don't want anything todo with bulldozer or excavator...

and no not all CPU work on all AM4 boards that was the idea and they failed very hard with that. this is very important sometiems you just need a new bios and sometimes you need an old one and even worse sometimes it's impossible.

[rupeshforu3]

slow don't a sec.

the fastest IPC is currently alder lake (no i3 yet) the i5 is most likely the best CPU out there with price and performance now. it's really good unlike older intel CPUs where zen is often better but not generally.

ignore things like cache size or even core number only look at real world perforamnce even an i3 has 6 mb l3 cache.

you don't want anything todo with bulldozer or excavator...

and no not all CPU work on all AM4 boards that was the idea and they failed very hard with that. this is very important sometiems you just need a new bios and sometimes you need an old one and even worse sometimes it's impossible.
Ok I will be cautious while buying

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[junh1024]

More IPC & more cache are only some aspects of a CPU. The overall CPU score is a better indication of overall CPU performance. Also, audio encoding works on blocks of 10-100KB so any CPU with a cache of >=1MB can be said to go smoothly. Let's do a 4-way comparison of some CPUs;

- i3-10100 (6MB cache)
- i5-10500 (12MB cache)
- i3-530 (4MB cache, my current CPU)
- AMD Athlon X4 845 (Excavator)

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i3-10100-vs-Intel-i5-10500-vs-Intel-i3-530-vs-AMD-Athlon-X4-845/3717vs3749vs737vs2721


They score

8883, 13161, 1438, 3779

As you can see, the i5 costs 1.66x the i3-10100, but only performs 1.48x. It's also 6x fast as my CPU (since it's very old) & 2.3x fast as a AMD excavator (since it's older, and not a great architecture like huhn said).

You're not doing gaming but let's compare anyway

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/Intel-UHD-630-vs-GeForce-GT-710/3826vs2910

As you can see, the i3-10100 beats the cheapest new GFX card, at 2.1x performance.

Conclusion: the i3-10100 has ample cache & performance for audio encoding, and has respectable GPU capability. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare is a handy site for comparing CPUs.

[tebasuna51]

Also, when don't have special requirements for CPU and GPU, the more cheap solution is check offers in your country for a full PC, instead buy the components separatly.

For instance a offer in my country: REACON. DELL 3020 SFF I5 4590 3.3GHZ, Intel® HD Graphics 4600, 4GB RAM, SATA DD 500 GB, DVD, Windows 10 Professional for only 179'70 €
You need monitor, mouse and keyboard.

If you try to buy all components separately, with the more cheap components in the same store:

I5 4590 3.3GHZ 99.00
Motherboard 38.00
4GB RAM 20.70
SATA 500 GB 56.60
DVD 14.10
Box 21.40
Power supply 11.40
Windows 10 Pro 131.10
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392.30

[rupeshforu3]

Thanks for your suggestions 😃

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[hello_hello]

rupeshforu3,
How much audio re-encoding do you do, and do you use foobar2000 for most of it?
I should ask, just to be sure... are you aware foobar2000 isn't limited to a single encode at a time? The default is to encode as many audio tracks simultaneously as you have CPU cores (physical or otherwise, I think), so from that perspective, the more cores the merrier. You have to highlight all the tracks in a playlist you want to convert and send them to the converter together, but then foobar2000 will encode "X" number of tracks simultaneously until they're done.

In advanced preferences, under Tools/Converter there's an option to configure the maximum number of threads. For several reasons I have the maximum set to half the number of cores. That way, I can select multiple tracks for encoding and tell foobar2000 to convert them to AAC, then right click again and convert to flac at the same time. To encode all tracks with the same conversion preset and use all the cores, you can select half and start converting, then select the other half and start them converting too.

And to clarify, each encoder preset can be configured to only encode a single track at a time. I have two versions of most of my encoder presets. Identical aside from one of them having the "single thread" option enabled, so it's easy to switch to "one at a time" if for some reason I need to.

Of course if you generally only convert a few tracks each "session", an abundance of cores won't make much difference.

[SeeMoreDigital]

@rupeshforu3,

Just so you're aware... Transcoding and encoding are very different operations.

[rupeshforu3]

Hi I am going to buy ryzen 3 3200G and gigabyte b450 aorus pro motherboard with 8 gb ram.

At present I am using old pc ie., AMD fx processor with frontech 600 watts smps.

Can I use my old ATX cabinet and smps for new system.

Can you suggest which is best among gigabyte b450 aorus pro motherboard and asus b450 tus motherboard


May I know whether gigabyte b450 aorus pro motherboard is ultra durable or not.

In the spec page of asus b450 tus motherboard they specified that it consists of millitary grade components like capacitors and resistors etc.,.

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[rupeshforu3]

Please have a look at the following two motherboard specs

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-B450-PRO-GAMING/techspec/

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-AORUS-PRO-rev-10/sp#sp

Please try to suggest which is best for ryzen 3 3200g with durability in concern.

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[Boulder]

(Maybe the thread should be moved to the corresponding forum section?)

You'll definitely want to get a new PSU, it is basically one of the most critical components in the system. And will last a good 10 years if it's a good one. The chassis should be good to go if it suits your needs.

[rupeshforu3]

Hi if I buy any processor from amd ryzen family without iGPU can I use Radeon HD 7300 graphics card.

Is there any reduction in quality of output file generated by encoder x265. Can I use free sync option in ffmpeg tool with x265.

Radeon HD 7300 graphics card costs less. I don't want to watch any 4k movies on my system and so I have taken this decision.

[SquallMX]

Hi if I buy any processor from amd ryzen family without iGPU can I use Radeon HD 7300 graphics card.

Is there any reduction in quality of output file generated by encoder x265. Can I use free sync option in ffmpeg tool with x265.

Radeon HD 7300 graphics card costs less. I don't want to watch any 4k movies on my system and so I have taken this decision.

Stop, an HD 7300 is ancient tech, just buy a CPU with iGPU, even the cheapest one is better than a Radeon HD 7300.

[rupeshforu3]

I thought that iGPU processors are costly than normal.

Some one suggested to buy normal cpu and after that buy graphics card such as gt 710. After that I have searched cost of 710 it's costly than Radeon HD 7300.

Before buying i want to clarify whether it's correct or not and so I have asked.

Thanks for your clarification.


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[rupeshforu3]

Hi I have chosen amd ryzen 3 1200 or ryzen 3 1300 or ryzen 3 1300x which are less costlier than ryzen g series.

Now I am searching for proper graphics card for my pc.

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[videoh]

Tell us your budget for the graphics card. Also what you want it to do for you. I guess you want to do HEVC hardware encoding. Is that it?

[rupeshforu3]

My requirement is I just want a graphics card to connect cpu to monitor and nothing else like 4k video playback, gaming etc.,.

I don't have the habit of playing any game on my pc and watch 4k video and instead I do it in my android smartphone.

Most of the time I use my PC to copy files from pc to android smartphone, convert mp3 files to m4a ie., Aac encoding.

Rarely I use hevc encoding using ffmpeg command. hevc encoding can be done without any costly graphics card.

For all my needs I want low end graphics card which is supported by my am4 motherboard and ryzen 3 1300 processor.

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[jlw_4049]

My requirement is I just want a graphics card to connect cpu to monitor and nothing else like 4k video playback, gaming etc.,.

I don't have the habit of playing any game on my pc and watch 4k video and instead I do it in my android smartphone.

Most of the time I use my PC to copy files from pc to android smartphone, convert mp3 files to m4a ie., Aac encoding.

Rarely I use hevc encoding using ffmpeg command. hevc encoding can be done without any costly graphics card.

For all my needs I want low end graphics card which is supported by my am4 motherboard and ryzen 3 1300 processor.

Sent from my LM-G710 using TapatalkRight now you'd be better off buying a ryzen APU. Any of the G varient chips. 3xxxG or 5xxxG.

They have an integrated gpu die in the chip. If you buy a dedicated GPU right noe you'll be out a lot of cash.

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[rupeshforu3]

Ok thanks for your clarification.

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[jlw_4049]

Ok thanks for your clarification.

Sent from my LM-G710 using TapatalkHonestly just get the Anthlon dual core from ryzen. It'll be two cores and 4 threads, music encoding is very thread limited and this is more then enough.

It also has an on the die GPU.

AMD Athlon 3000G 2-Core, 4-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Radeon Graphics https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0815JGFQ8/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_RX97B5RSBC5GB1Z43CRE?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

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[rupeshforu3]

Ok can I buy Athlon x4 970 or a8 9600 which are quad core apus and with AM4 socket. These costs less than Athlon 3000g.

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[jlw_4049]

Ok can I buy Athlon x4 970 or a8 9600 which are quad core apus and with AM4 socket. These costs less than Athlon 3000g.

Sent from my LM-G710 using TapatalkJust verify what ever chip you get will be supported by the board you own. Then yes it'll work fine.

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[rupeshforu3]

Yes I have checked whether these processors are supported by my am4 motherboard b350.

Someone of you suggested to buy second hand but the above are better than second hand. If they are available in market it's better to buy as they cost less and require lower psu etc.,.

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[StainlessS]

One good thing about 2nd hand gear is that it has already been 'burnt in' for you,

Burn-in:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn-in

The most likely time for a system to fail is when its brand spanking new. [or when it is really really really old - where it would be really really really cheap]

[rupeshforu3]

No i am not going to buy any second hand but I am suggesting not to buy them. I am saying that we can get other new components at reduced price and with lower specs.

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