I'm trying to tune 24P progressive on an NVIDIA video card and it does not work

[zind1703]

I'm trying to tune 24P progressive on an NVIDIA video card and it does not work in 24 progressive
as in a Blue Ray device

NVIDIA graphics card gives 24 Hz tuning but does not make a progressive impression
and it looks bad the movie at 24Hz

is there a video card that gives 24P progressive quality?

[ashlar42]

Nvidia card are absolutely capable of flawless 24p reproduction. It's just a matter of calculating the correct custom resolution (with custom refresh rate, that needs to take into account the deviation between audio clock and video clock, so it's not exactly 24Hz or 24/1.001Hz).

[zind1703]

thanks for your response

24 Progressive by Blue Ray Panasonic / OPPO / Pioneer
Quality over NVIDIA

1. the film flows smoothly without jumps / vibrations
2. the film is more colorful, a much higher quality contrast
3.the picture is more accurate, quality in every aspect

NVIDIA video card 2070 looks like a toy in front of a blue ray

[ashlar42]

That's not what you are supposed to get. But you need to read a lot if this is your current level of HTPC use. Use LAVFilters with madVR, read guides here and elsewhere. It's a long road but, at the end, your 2070 ought to be able to put pretty much any bluray player to shame.

[zind1703]

Use LAVFilters with madVR, read guides here-
sorry it has nothing to do with everything you write
you do not understand the problem or you do not understand what 24P is

your 2070 ought to be able to put pretty much any bluray player to shame
definately not
a video card has power and is built for games with high FPS
but in the movies does not give me much
your players are also very outdated to the computer and do not play the movies properly

[huhn]

your players are also very outdated to the computer and do not play the movies properly

they are even used to rarely master movies. yes they work this properly.

[zind1703]

this is what I lack in a sharp player like in the rich contrast image - See a picture at the link
this is the missing element in a movie player on your computer

https://zappiti.uservoice.com/knowledgebase/articles/1913110--video-direct-output

Second thing missing from the computer "24p True Cinema"
there is no such thing currently in the computer everything is tuned to 60 FPS for games
that is why computer movies have jumps,ome judder effects, inaccuracies and other bad side effects
It is not possible to run a 24P movie correctly on a 60P video card

[SeeMoreDigital]

What movies are you playing?

Very few disc based movies are encoded with progressive frames at 24.000 fps (24.000Hz). They are far more likely to have been encoded at 23.976 fps (23.976Hz)!

What's the make and model number of your display/monitor?

[zind1703]

What movies are you playing?

Very few disc based movies are encoded with progressive frames at 24.000 fps (24.000Hz). They are far more likely to have been encoded at 23.976 fps (23.976Hz)!

What's the make and model number of your display/monitor?

80GB 4K movies
Play a 64 bit PotPlayer
and I was able to solve today a problem of sharpness with 80GB 4K HDR movies
Play a 64 bit PotPlayer
and I was able to solve a sharpness problem today with a MADSHI video processor
and here started tears in the picture (as in games)

It has nothing to do with 23.976 Hz or 24
NVIDIA claims that you are aiming for 23 FPS or 24 FPS
you will actually get -23.976Hz In their driver

Q80 SAMSONG +OLED

[Klaus1189]

Because of PAL and NTSC, we have different refresh rates.
PAL is 50 Hz
NTSC is 60 Hz

PAL:
25 fps can be interlaced or progressive. So you can can have
25p -> simple 25 "pictures" per second
25i/50i (both are the same: 25i -> 25 frames per second interlaced, 50i -> 50 fields per second)
50p -> simple 50 "pictures" per second

NTSC:
30 fps can be interlaced or progressive. So you can can have
30p -> simple 30 "pictures" per second
30i/60i (both are the same: 30i -> 30 frames per second interlaced, 60i -> 60 fields per second which is the same)
60p -> simple 60 "pictures" per second

But the common NTSC refresh rate is divided by 1.001:
30 / 1.001 -> 29,97002997002997... so we use 29.97 to give it a name.

same for films. Originally 24 fps but to make it possible for 3:2 pulldown, 24 fps was also divided by 1.001.
30 / 1.001 = 29,97002997002997... -> "periodic" -> 29.97
24 / 1.001 = 23,97602397602398... -> "periodic" -> 23.98 or 23.976

But both 23.976 and 24.000 are reported as "24p" by TVs and monitor OSD.


Important:
23.976 is reported as 23 Hz by Windows. It is not 23.000, it is 23.976 Hz.
24.000 is reported as 24 Hz by Windows. Here it is 24.000 Hz

25 is simple always exact 25

29.97 is reported as 29 Hz by Windows. It is not 29.000, it is 29.970 Hz.
30 is simple exact 30.

now the doubles:

50 is simple always exact 50

59.94 is reported as 59 Hz by Windows. It is not 59.000 Hz, it is 59.94, same divider - 1.001:
60 / 1.001 = 59,94005994005994

60 is simple exact 60

There are also higher refresh rates, but for video this is sufficient.

The intention of interlacing was to double the "motion resolution" by using not the double the frames. Instead they stored only fields instead of complete frames. One field has lines 1, 3, 5, ... the other field has lines 2, 4, 6, ...
but the fields are stored in one frame and the video is flagged as interlaced so the decoder (built in player) knows to deinterlace the interlaced video. You sholud always use doubles, so 50 for PAL and 59/60 for NTSC to get smooth video playback. The player will do that for you, if correctly set up.

I you have any question, please ask, I think I know some stuff here ;)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p#Native_24p



Q80 SAMSONG +OLED

Please be more precise: It is Samsung, not "Samsong" and Samsung produces QLED, not OLED, at least not anymore, many years ago ...

[zind1703]

Because of PAL and NTSC, we have different refresh rates.
PAL is 50 Hz
NTSC is 60 Hz

PAL:
25 fps can be interlaced or progressive. So you can can have
25p -> simple 25 "pictures" per second
25i/50i (both are the same: 25i -> 25 frames per second interlaced, 50i -> 50 fields per second)
50p -> simple 50 "pictures" per second

NTSC:
30 fps can be interlaced or progressive. So you can can have
30p -> simple 30 "pictures" per second
30i/60i (both are the same: 30i -> 30 frames per second interlaced, 60i -> 60 fields per second which is the same)
60p -> simple 60 "pictures" per second

But the common NTSC refresh rate is divided by 1.001:
30 / 1.001 -> 29,97002997002997... so we use 29.97 to give it a name.

same for films. Originally 24 fps but to make it possible for 3:2 pulldown, 24 fps was also divided by 1.001.
30 / 1.001 = 29,97002997002997... -> "periodic" -> 29.97
24 / 1.001 = 23,97602397602398... -> "periodic" -> 23.98 or 23.976

But both 23.976 and 24.000 are reported as "24p" by TVs and monitor OSD.


Important:
23.976 is reported as 23 Hz by Windows. It is not 23.000, it is 23.976 Hz.
24.000 is reported as 24 Hz by Windows. Here it is 24.000 Hz

25 is simple always exact 25

29.97 is reported as 29 Hz by Windows. It is not 29.000, it is 29.970 Hz.
30 is simple exact 30.

now the doubles:

50 is simple always exact 50

59.94 is reported as 59 Hz by Windows. It is not 59.000 Hz, it is 59.94, same divider - 1.001:
60 / 1.001 = 59,94005994005994

60 is simple exact 60

There are also higher refresh rates, but for video this is sufficient.

The intention of interlacing was to double the "motion resolution" by using not the double the frames. Instead they stored only fields instead of complete frames. One field has lines 1, 3, 5, ... the other field has lines 2, 4, 6, ...
but the fields are stored in one frame and the video is flagged as interlaced so the decoder (built in player) knows to deinterlace the interlaced video. You sholud always use doubles, so 50 for PAL and 59/60 for NTSC to get smooth video playback. The player will do that for you, if correctly set up.

I you have any question, please ask, I think I know some stuff here ;)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p#Native_24p




Please be more precise: It is Samsung, not "Samsong" and Samsung produces QLED, not OLED, at least not anymore, many years ago ...
your whole answer has nothing to do with anything!
do you copy an entire book and think it's relevant to something?

[Klaus1189]

I did write this out of my memory. This is basics about framerates and refresh rates. I already made it simple.

I really want to assist. Then I didn’t get the problem.
What is exactly the problem you have and want help with. That‘s the reason you made this thread right?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hmmm... zind1703,

I'm confused... What's the exact make and model of your television?

As you (and others) may or may not be aware, any modern smart TV has an in-built media player app which should be able to play most video, audio and container formats via an USB connected or network connected HDD.

So for sheer convenience sake, there's no real need for anyone to have to connect their PC's to their TV's via HDMI anymore. Which also means there's no need for anyone to have to fiddle about with a PC's video output frequency settings to match the frequency of the encoded video!

When it comes to media file playback... Simplicity is key.

[zind1703]

I did write this out of my memory. This is basics about framerates and refresh rates. I already made it simple.
what does this have to do with my question?
you do not recreate anything

I really want to assist. Then I didn’t get the problem.
what is exactly the problem you have and want help with. That‘s the reason you made this thread right?

you answer and then ask what is the problem / question?
so probably you can not help

Sorry for the sincerity

[Klaus1189]

so probably you can not help

Please tell me the exact question and I do my best to anwer it.

[zind1703]

As you (and others) may or may not be aware, any modern smart TV has an in-built media player app which should be able to play most video, audio and container formats via an USB connected or network connected HDD.


no connection to screen or USB
1.the screen player is not always high quality

2. the screen player does not making DTS or DTS-X

that there is a player on the screen everyone knows

When it comes to media file playback... Simplicity is key
definately not
leave the question to people with experience and understanding and enjoyment of image and sound quality.

you should buy as quality viewing devices before you answer
then realize how wrong you are

[zind1703]

Please tell me the exact question and I do my best to anwer it.

if you can not understand the question above
that means you can not answer.

give a chance to people who understand

Sorry for the truth

[Klaus1189]

You do know that I want to help?

You do know that "progressive" is used to decribe that the video contains full images, not just fields, but if you use a media player it will deinterlace the fields to full frames and you will not be able to tell a difference.

I wish that you rephrase your question and I will answer. Trust me.

[zind1703]

You do know that I want to help?

You do know that "progressive" is used to decribe that the video contains full images, not just fields, but if you use a media player it will deinterlace the fileds to full frames and you will not be able to tell a difference.

I wish that you rephrase your question and I will answer. Trust me.

absolutely not,
you are answering unrelated things again

this is not a quiz with prizes

[Klaus1189]

I'm trying to tune 24P progressive on an NVIDIA video card and it does not work in 24 progressive
as in a Blue Ray device

NVIDIA graphics card gives 24 Hz tuning but does not make a progressive impression
and it looks bad the movie at 24Hz

is there a video card that gives 24P progressive quality?

I explained what progressive means and you tell me that is unrelated, but it is in your post? So progressive is the wrong word. I want you to use the right word or at least try to describe it.

I want to help, but please rephrase your question.

[SeeMoreDigital]

When it comes to media file playback... Simplicity is key. definately not
leave the question to people with experience and understanding and enjoyment of image and sound quality.

you should buy as quality viewing devices before you answer
then realize how wrong you areHmmm...

As it's clear to you that I don't know anything about media file playback devices... I guess I'm out then!

I wish you and your endeavours well on the forum.

[scharfis_brain]

hmmm, maybe this is more a confusion due to YUV vs RGB respective limited vs full luma range?
This would make a huge difference in contrast and color.