Avisynth herringbone removal?

[lordsmurf]

Several filters appears to be outdated, rely on Avisynth 2.5 and old versions of plugins. For example, FanFilter doesn't work anymore (not that I'm sure it ever did).

What can be done now? :confused:

Sample clip attached here:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/398728-Avisynth-herringbone-removal

[Sharc]

I didn't try long but FanFilter seems to work under avisynth+ 3.6.1, 32 bit

[real.finder]

what about http://www.avisynth.nl/users/vcmohan/FQPlus/F1Quiver.htm and http://www.avisynth.nl/users/vcmohan/FQPlus/F2Quiver.htm

[lordsmurf]

RE: F1Quiver & F1QTest, F2Quiver & F2QTest

I don't understand those filters. This sort of Avisynth documentation is frustrating.

The "instructions" are simply
(a) long jargon-filled sentences, sometimes just sentence fragments,
(b) a few random "example" lines of script, no idea what those do
(c) a single random picture

There are many filters for Avisynth, where the only person who understands it is seemingly the author. And I think this is one of those cases.

I've never seen anybody successfully use this -- or the author's other filter, FanFilter.
Never.
N-E-V-E-R.

[Emulgator]

I might be one of the users of VCMohan's FFT filters and yes, I had to write a small manual for myself and there are requirements that must be met (certain AviSynth version) and a few functions I couldn't get to work too.
But for the occasions where I needed it (removal of moiré pattern) it helped.

[vcmohan]

My filters work. As far as old plugins which were based on obsolete avisynth 2,5 version, I stopped maintaining them. Now I am mostly working with avisynth 2.6, avisynth+ and vapoursynth, as these facilitate multi threading and cater to many input formats. As a plugin author I give a concise account of theory behind it, parameters to use and some examples of usage. Most of the plugin authors do not give even this much. I have a limited space for hosting my plugins. If one is interested in more detailed info on what is fft, how it helps etc, one may read text books available freely on net. (ex dspguide.com).
Fan filter, incidentally always works for those who understand signal processing.

[lordsmurf]

I might be one of the users of VCMohan's FFT filters and yes, I had to write a small manual for myself
How about sharing it? :script: :logfile:

My filters work.
one may read text books available freely on net
This reminds me of a Pickles comic. Anybody that can't explain something to others doesn't really understand it themselves.

[StainlessS]

It is not a developers job to spoon feed users, his/her/it's time can be better spent developing rather than educating.
It is much more sensible an idea for users "in-the-know", to write a tutorial.
So my lord smurf, why dont you figure it all out after ploughing through text books / knowledge bases on DSP,
and then write a piece as a reminder to yourself, and as a tutorial for the rest of us.

Dont expect others to do all of the work for you. [ It might even help if you can badger Emulgator into doing it :) ]

[johnmeyer]

It is not a developers job to spoon feed users, his/her/it's time can be better spent developing rather than educating.As someone who has written several tutorials for free software (my Deshaker tutorial used to be hosted on dozens of sites), I have found that people who develop software for free and make it available usually do so because they were doing something for themselves and figure, why not share it with others? However, they don't want to spend hours doing something that they usually aren't very good at, namely writing a few dozen pages of cogent instructions and maybe even a few application notes.

And, of course, they aren't getting paid.

I'll admit that it is frustrating sometimes to figure out how to make something work, but if you're willing to meet the developer halfway, and if you make a decent effort to at least get the thing running, you can usually get a few key hints and not only get the thing working, but sometimes you can create magic. Here is some total FM ($#% Magic), courtesy of some software StainlessS had developed and for which he gave me few key hints. I never would have been able to perform this near miracle without his software:

NFL Football Amateur Kinescope Noise Bars (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx26T6WOZ_4)

I always remind myself that the developer (in this case, StainlessS) is a total stranger, is not being paid by me or anyone else, and is taking the time to respond to my question pretty much out of the goodness of his heart.

[StainlessS]

goodness of his heart

Here some more Goodness of Heart.
By the way John, a clip on same YT page as your link (at least for me), ie "Heart - Stairway to Heaven Led Zeppelin - Kennedy Center",
is great, seen it many times, take a peek if you aint seen it before.

Here in case you get a different set of links on YT (dont know if always same for everyone):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cZ_EFAmj08
There may be better versions on YT. Look out for Obama in the audience.
[By the way, the tubby guy on drums is (Robert Plant's best mate, the late) John Bonham's son Jason]

I had need for the herring bone fixer thing a few weeks ago, forgot how I had done it before and so did not bother to fix this time,
this thread did not show up until a few days later, when too late.

[wonkey_monkey]

I have found that people who develop software for free and make it available usually do so because they were doing something for themselves and figure, why not share it with others? However, they don't want to spend hours doing something that they usually aren't very good at, namely writing a few dozen pages of cogent instructions and maybe even a few application notes.

Hey that's me!

[johnmeyer]

Here some more Goodness of Heart.
By the way John, a clip on same YT page as your link (at least for me), ie "Heart - Stairway to Heaven Led Zeppelin - Kennedy Center",
is great, seen it many times, take a peek if you aint seen it before.It is funny that YouTube offered that to you. I wonder if that is because when I first saw it a few months ago, I was simultaneously amazed and offended by it so I sent it to several people, including a life-long friend who had (and still has) the largest rock vinyl collection I've ever seen (he had every rock album I'd ever heard of when I met him in 1970). I wanted to get his reaction.

He reacted the same way as I did.

On the one had you have the Wilson sisters knocking it out of the park. Nancy Wilson's does a serviceable job with the classic opening guitar riff, and then Ann Wilson sings the whole thing as well or better than Plant ever did. For me, her performance is why I was amazed. To use one of the favorite expressions of you English lads: Brilliant.

The main issue, which people will either love or hate, is the completely over-the-top arrangement and orchestration. Just when you think it can't go more over the top, the curtain opens and another set of performers joins in. It is a long way from four guys with their shirts off wailing on their guitars in front of a few Fender tube amps.

Based on the reaction shots of Plant and Page (you can see Plant mouth, "Oh My God" when the gospel choir appears), they seemed to genuinely enjoy the "pull out all the stops" version which, given the purpose of the performance (to fete them), means that it succeeded.

Love it or not, it is an absolutely amazing presentation.

[StainlessS]

Yeh, John Paul Jones nodding and smiling approval,
Page was having a blast and went "WOW" as curtain goes up,
Plant on the other hand was almost in tears with emotion [his late best mates baby boy on drums].
A great time was had by all.

Here a great clip, Chingon - Malaguena Salerosa, with Robert Rodriguez [film director , From Dusk Till Dawn], and singer Alex Ruiz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTmzsopSUg8
EDIT: Robert Rodriguez in cowboy hat.
Also Tito Larriva [Tito & Tarantula, Dusk Till Dawn, guitarist singer], "The Plugz" and many other 'Punk Mexican' type bands.
EDIT: I thought Tito Larriva was Ponytail guitarist on left, but not listed in credits, maybe I'm wrong on that [he sometimes plays with Chingon].

Although I like the version on Kill Bill 2, [DVD Extra] best. [this seems to be audio only from DVD]:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFAi7wMVN94
No, that aint the Kill bill audio, this is Closer I think:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go9g7ma5vyc
EDIT: DVD version with video [quality not great, watch out for Quentin in the audience] :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCDf3XQKKKA
EDIT: [some years later] Above link dead, here again without Quentin:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjWpmx85Jvo

EDIT:
And this is bloody brilliant [Meiko Kaji - Urami Bushi - Kill Bill2 Closing credits]:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT9zJ2V9lfw

EDIT: [KB1] Battle Without Honor Or Humanity:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw5vAd5icAg

EDIT: Twisted Nerve. [KB2, Brill whistling ring tone].
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDX7ATO_Euk

Quentin has a keen ear for a tune.

[johnmeyer]

Yeh, John Paul Jones nodding and smiling approval,
Page was having a blast and went "WOW" as curtain goes up,
Plant on the other hand was almost in tears with emotion [his late best mates baby boy on drums].
A great time was had by all.OK, I've now re-watched this three more times since I posted. I've probably watched it a dozen times since I discovered it last spring.

Despite the over-production, or more precisely because of the over-production, it is mesmerizing. It gets even more so when you read a few of the comments and get some of the backstory, like the one you point out: the drummer, Jason Bonham is the son of the late Zeppelin drummer, playing his dad's drum kit, and wearing his dad's hat. When you see him silence the cymbals just before the final chord, and then see him look up to heaven, just as Ann sings that word, it is very hard not to choke up, just as Plant was doing.

The guy in the audience they cut to when Page's guitar rift is played turns out to be Yo-Yo Ma, the famous cellist who clearly appreciates what is going on.

I'll have a look at your other suggestions. I collect classic music performances and have literally thousands of individual classics, complete performances, and even entire series (want the entire 59-episode "Johnny Cash Show"? I restored it for a collector and so have them all.)

If I had to take just one of my discs to a desert island and live with it forever, it would be the Roy Orbison "Black and White" performance. It was recorded in a nighclub setting, and the musicians who played unaffectedly as backups included K.D. Lang, Bonnie Raitt, Jennifer Warnes, Bruce Springstein, Elvis Costello, Jackson Browne, J.D. Souther and many more. Backups? Yup, that's all they did.

Get a tall glass of your favorite beverage, turn down the lights and prepare to get very mellow.

[StainlessS]

I'm OK with Mr Orbison, I had to listen to him, Elvis, Pitney, Tom Jones, Jim Reeves, and others as a kid,
but there is a limit to how many dead dogs one can take in a row [Old Tige, Old Shep, + probably more, I bet Johnny Cash did one too].

Here is a definite classic performance, but maybe not to your taste
[A blind guy & a nightingale - no auto tune here - adieu to a dead dog]:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L_yCwFD6Jo

EDIT: Here, a G.P. (General Practitioner, ie Physician), who was also goal keeper for Real Madrid reserves [football, sorry soccer], who also sang the odd tune.
This is closing theme song from movie "Tinker, Tailer, Soldier, Spy", where [Spaniard] Julio sings in french to a French TV audience, although it is not
the version that went into the movie. In the [French TV audience] movie version, he goes a little off tune several times, seems to have a bit of a frog in his throat.
[Different French TV Frogless version]:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HASYL4JWwBU
EDIT: HeHe, just tumbled, Frog in the throat French version.

EDIT: The frog in throat movie version, good quality audio with still image:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4CUvZF2YO8
EDIT: Not sure, I think the frogged TV version video may have been included on movie DVD, I have seen it somewhere.

EDIT: And of course that classic Piano virtuoso Les:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMOrsWxh5mg

EDIT: Shirley, belting it out the john Barry way:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-orFtcORyuM
EDIT: Dame Vera, R.I.P. June 2020, 103 Y.O. :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5C4meGkNyc
Again:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsM_VmN6ytk
Dame Vera again, flawless, Lilli Marlene:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSMuTm649Hk

And a Johnny Cash ditty :- Johnny Cash sings The Battle Hymn Of The Republic:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQhyWv-PeVE

EDIT: A helluva surprise:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE1Lxw5ZyXk
EDIT: Best EVER EVER ver$ of Dont Cry For Me Argentina, Julie Covington:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K80t70Y6-I
Clip from "Rock Follies" with Julie Covington, Rula Lenska and Charlotte Cornwall:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD9cuNDHAlQ

[johnmeyer]

Here a great clip, Chingon - Malaguena SalerosaWhen I saw "Malagueña" I was thinking I was going to hear Malagueña by Ernesto Lecuona, the famous Spanish song often played on classical guitar. Given your taste in music, and given the somewhat Spanish overtones of the "Kill Bill 2" music you linked to, you might enjoy one of the most surprising performances done by Charo, a person known in this country as the "cuchi-chuci girl" because of her ditzy persona. However, it turns out she studied, from a young age, at a school run by Andre Segovia and actually has several times won awards as one of the finest classical guitarists in the world. For those who only know her from her flamboyant appearances on all sorts of variety shows back in the 1970s, seeing this is somewhat of a revelation.

So, here is Charo doing Malagueña:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmNPXqG6ovg

Since Roy Orbison isn't what you will be taking to the desert island as your only music choice, perhaps you will agree with a

poll taken by your fellow Brits (https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/piaf-song-tops-desert-island-list-26735945.html)

a decade ago where they were asked exactly that same question. Their answer, by an overwhelming vote, was Edith Piaf's version of

"Non, Je ne regrette rien." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Kvu6Kgp88)

P.S. I forgot to mention how much I liked the Bocelli/Brightman "Time To Say Goodbye."

[StainlessS]

I was aware of the name Charo, but not sure how. [maybe it was a western or something].
Very good, and student of the pork sausage finger guy (Segovia), eh.

I also had to listen to similar spanish guitar classics as a kid, my brother was classical guitarist, he cant do it now (I assume) as he got some ailment
whereby his fingers are sort of in a cramped claw like arrangement, he cant straighten them (my sister has it also, but nowhere near as bad).
So I guess he dont got much time for guitar any more. As a kid, I had to listen to the same 10 second excerpt, maybe 100+ times in a row,
as he practiced getting something perfect, "go on piss off down the park" was probably a phrase he heard a lot.
He could even play Cavatina (theme from the Deer Hunter) in one piece, although he (like John Williams who did the Deer hunter) would fluff
at least one note. [John Williams did the theme music in two takes, the background tune, and the foreground tune, (its kinda like two tunes in one
making it a very difficult piece)].
I was with my brother one day at some community art center place, where Julian Bream [top UK guitarist] was playing [or watching, cant remember], and my brother
was presented to him as his teachers 'star' pupil. [My brother took lessons for about 8 years I think, so he was either very good or totally crap].
I remember that at christmas [EDIT: parties], everyone would say, "go on ****, get your guitar out and givuss a tune", and he would give a look as to say,
"you bastards have told me for last 12 months to get the hell out of your ear shot", but he did it anyways.

I got a few tracks by the little sparrow, pretty good (she had a bit of a rough early life, questioned in two separate murder inquiries by the age of 15 I think,
brought up in a circus if I recall correctly).
John Major (a UK Prime Minister) was also brought up in a circus, most guys might wanna run away and join a circus, he ran away to be in politics.

If you like little sparrow, get wowed by this:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHl-piDm0bg
Charles Aznavour et Mireille Mathieu - Une vie d'amour (1981).
EDIT: She does many of the same songs that Édith Piaf did, also songs in german, and one or two other [EDIT: 11] languages (maybe Russian too, not sure).
EDIT: Mireille Mathieu - Non Je Ne Regrette Rien (1986):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53XBe1R7y3Q
EDIT: Mireille Mathieu (Moscow, Red Square, 01-09-2012):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M36fV97YF34
EDIT: Long career, born 1946, debut 1962, still working 2015.

If you liked Sarah Brightman, I recommend "Eden" 1998 edition, there are about 5 editions.
EDIT: Not sure, think she is reclining in silk dress on red counch, maybe.
EDIT: as here:- https://www.discogs.com/Sarah-Brightman-Eden/release/3405250
EDIT: The ones after Nessun Dorma are not on CD version [think must be from VCD]

John Williams, Cavatina (Dont know if he fluffs a note, not listened to it yet):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_8d0DJpbBI
EDIT: Yep at least one sticky patch.
EDIT: Actually still listening, and counting 4 fluffs so far.
EDIT: I stopped counting.
This like how it should be done with two guitarists, but john did well just the same:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7SvBtJuh3Y
EDIT: Even with two players was not totally perfect, I think, so john really did extremely well.

[johnmeyer]

I did not know this John Williams before this (and he does like Peter Cook, as the description says). I'm listening to him now. I very much like his phrasing.

However, I know Bream. Back in 1980 I went to a Julian Bream concert in Slough when I was visiting the UK. He was quite amazing.

I do know a little of Edith Piaf's life, and the word "tragic" doesn't quite cover it all. I think that's what makes her music so heart-rending.

[StainlessS]

Maybe in the 70's (or early 80's) John Williams and Julian Bream did an album together called "Together", and then they
had a long fall out where they did not speak for about 10-15 years, then got back together again, and did an album
called (you guessed it) "Together Again".

I always preferred Williams, (not the movie theme music guy) over Bream, Love his album "Romance Of The Guitar".
Paco Pena is pretty good for Flamenco.
Think Segovia's top pupil was Elliot Fisk [think spelling may be wrong for Elliot], but I though he was nowhere near as good as Segovia or Williams.

I added some Mireille Mathieu links above.

EDIT: A bit like Peter Cook, I preferred Dud [loved the Arthur movie, with Minnelli, and of course "10", with Ravels Bolero which we at some point discussed a bit].

[johnmeyer]

EDIT: A bit like Peter Cook, I preferred Dud [loved the Arthur movie, with Minnelli, and of course "10", with Ravels Bolero which we at some point discussed a bit].I keep "Bedazzled" on my DVR so I can re-run various bits. The two of them together were insanely good.

It didn't hurt that movie to have Raquel Welch as the Devil's ultimate temptress.

[StainlessS]

I was just trying to think which one Bedazzled was, and thought Raquel was the devil, and was gonna ask,
but then you laid it out on a plate. So seems I do (sort of) remember it, but long time since I've seen it.
Come to think of it, I've seen it lots of times on shelf in CEX, (used DVDs+ IT store), in £0.50 section,
I guess I'll get it now. Thanx.

EDIT: Oh, dear god, fill your boots with this lot :) :- https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pete+and+dud

[johnmeyer]

EDIT: Oh, dear god, fill your boots with this lot :) :- https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pete+and+dud... funny you should say that ...

"Which cheek was that?" ... long pause ... "The upper left."

Great stuff.

4:30 a.m. there. It's a late one.

[StainlessS]

See the missing sketches (color thumbnail), @ 40:00 mins, for about 2:00 mins, cracked me up awfully :)
[Just watched the whole thinkg, bout 47 mins I think].


4:30 a.m. there. It's a late one.
Oh my, I forgot to change my clock, still on BST.
Time for bed.

[I dont do it auto, not with W7 and Linux on same machine].