Quarantine, good time for open-source development?

[MysteryX]

Now that most people are in quarantine, that's the perfect opportunity to clean your house, cooking or -- open-source development?

I'm wondering whether we're doing to see more activity around here.

Personally, I just got to Playa del Carmen in Mexico. Cancun is in lockdown, Merida and Progreso are in lockdown, Mexico City is in lockdown. Playa del Carmen... still business as usual! Moving into a new house tonight. Moved out of Thailand. Thailand is going into lockdown for a month tomorrow.

[MeteorRain]

Yes!:sly:

[feisty2]

online course :(

[wonkey_monkey]

Sadly I can mostly work from home. But on the plus side, I just got a sweet new laptop - 12 cores, 24Gb, nippy SSD. My current personal project isn't an Avisynth one, though. I was working on a new version of my Fusion plugin, but I don't know if that's of much interest to anyone else so I haven't fully formalised it.

I have plans for a new version of Waveform, which I can at least be sure someone will find useful...

[FranceBB]

I guess we're pretty much all stuck at home doing "Smart Working" (i.e working from home, doing the exact same thing we generally do).
In my case, though, remoting everything in the production chain - especially for live events - wasn't possible, so there are still 500 people (out of 5000) who are still physically going to work everyday.
Thankfully, I'm not one of them.

[Reel.Deel]

I've had some time to work on the wiki: http://avisynth.nl/index.php/Special:RecentChanges

Stay safe everyone :)

[pinterf]

I've had some time to work on the wiki: http://avisynth.nl/index.php/Special:RecentChanges

Stay safe everyone :)
Nice work, thank you!

[MysteryX]

btw I'm getting the feeling that while my generation is great with computers and programming (I'm 35, started programming when I was 12), the younger generation is mostly clueless about all this -- just good at using cellphone apps. Am I right? That's making open-source projects like this a lot more quiet.

[StainlessS]

Yep, a few months back I remember a few young pups talking at the bus stop and one said he had not used his laptop for about 12 months,
[the others pretty much had same to say], everything done on the phone, what with them there nimble fingers and thumbs.
[fascinates me to see them go hell for leather with them thumbs - single index finger for me]

[Sharc]

I have the same impression. Just playing with dull apps, sharing dumb videos, little to no creativity, pure distraction, wasting their time for nothing. Slaves of their mobile phones. Few exceptions perhaps. There is always hope .....:devil:

[FranceBB]

fascinates me to see them go hell for leather with them thumbs - single index finger for me

They're so fast, right?
And, you know, I do use my mobile phone and messaging apps, but man they're way faster than me as they use both their hands to type.

he had not used his laptop for about 12 months

Yep, I heard a similar conversation as well. They just use their smartphones, they don't care about computers.
And... sure, smartphones are great, but I would never ever use it to do everything I do on my pc, not only because it can't, but also because even for the things that it can actually do, they become kinda tedious for me to do on my mobile phone.

I think MysteryX made a good point.
You're 35, MysteryX, so you were born in the 80s. I think that we can go up 'till the 90s (my generation) before getting to the decline of coding awareness...

I have the same impression. Just playing with dull apps, sharing dumb videos, little to no creativity, pure distraction, wasting their time for nothing. Slaves of their mobile phones.

That's true! You're probably gonna laugh, but the only thing I have is Facebook, I don't have Instagram or other stuff 'cause I couldn't care less, but... (here's the funny part) when I told them, they kinda considered me a dinosaur for not using Tik Tok and Instagram!
And I was like: "They gotta be kidding, right?"
But no... New generations are spoiled, they don't use PCs and they just don't care about using them.
The only ones who do use computers among the youngsters are the ones that play games on their computer as they refuse to play them on a console, but... that's pretty much it...

It's sad, really... :(

[StainlessS]

I guess FaceBook aint cool if you're Grandmama's got a page [I personally would not touch any of that social stuff, can only just tolerate the D9 really].

[real.finder]

Yep, I heard a similar conversation as well. They just use their smartphones, they don't care about computers.
And... sure, smartphones are great, but I would never ever use it to do everything I do on my pc, not only because it can't, but also because even for the things that it can actually do, they become kinda tedious for me to do on my mobile phone.


I also know these kind of people here, and I disapprove smartphones slave/worshipper
and I agree with you, but smartphones are good not gerat

I think MysteryX made a good point.
You're 35, MysteryX, so you were born in the 80s. I think that we can go up 'till the 90s (my generation) before getting to the decline of coding awareness...
I am also 80s

That's true! You're probably gonna laugh, but the only thing I have is Facebook, I don't have Instagram or other stuff 'cause I couldn't care less, but... (here's the funny part) when I told them, they kinda considered me a dinosaur for not using Tik Tok and Instagram!
And I was like: "They gotta be kidding, right?"
But no... New generations are spoiled, they don't use PCs and they just don't care about using them.
The only ones who do use computers among the youngsters are the ones that play games on their computer as they refuse to play them on a console, but... that's pretty much it...

It's sad, really... :(
same here only facebook and Viber and some old school Emulators that I rarely use, I prefer playing on the Playstation, and other things on PC

[Rumbah]

I guess the correct answer would be "OK Boomer" :devil:

I think the view is a bit biased. At least around here there are more university students and otherwise educated people in computer science than ever.

If I had to guess I'd say around 5%-10% of my classmates knew how to program back then at the end of the 90s. So it wasn't that much back then either.

In addition to that all this doom9 video coding stuff was much more "needed" back then. You had space constrains and wanted to digitize/backup your TV shows/VHS/DVDs. Nowadays you have Netflix, Youtube, etc. where you have much more to stream than you could watch in a life time. So the need for this stuff here for the "normal guy" is not that prominent. You'd rather program a cool web application or something in gaming.

[MysteryX]

on the flip-side, I have to admit -- a lot of stuff on Doom9 is very very "old-fashion".

Like working with direct assembly code, coding in C and stuff like that.

Although for the most part, the techniques have modernized; but some will never follow.

How many are still using Avisynth 2.5.8 ?

Btw I don't know how they do to work only from their cellphone. I type lightning fast on a keyboard... I feel like a turtle on the cellphone. I can type a full page of text in a minute... I can't imagine someone doing anything near that on a phone even with fast typing. Sure I can do basic tasks on the phone, but I feel very limited whenever I need to do any task that is more complex. Connect to your server via SSL with a Pageant certificate and upload website modifications... if you can. Doing server config via SSL console might be possible but won't be easy. Even very basic tasks are often struggling on the phone, unless you're used to those limitations.

[stax76]

I say it's good knowing how to use both PC and smartphone and having access to everything from every device, sometimes the PC cannot be accessed or when things go bad the PC is defect and that usually happens in the worst situation. Some services have a much better app than a website.

[hello_hello]

Maybe one of the reasons the current generation are less likely to get into coding is because their computers/smartphones can do useful things. When I was a lad you only used a computer for two things... coding or playing Pong. A couple of my friends were "geeks" and into buying kits and writing code they loaded from tape or 5 1⁄4-inch floppies (or maybe 8 inch back then) and viewing it all on green-screens, and naturally they're computer experts now, but by the time PCs started to be capable of more than running Pong-like games I had other interests and never got into coding. I worked in a music store in the 80's when Atari and Amiga ruled the world, but when I was introduced to my first "Windows" PC it seemed like time had turned back ten years, so it wasn't until the late 90's when I needed a PC to do the bookwork for the business I was running that I looked at computers again.

I guess it was a timing thing, because I wish I had been into coding. Maybe one day I will....
For the record, I was born in the 60's. I can vaguely remember being 35, but at some stage I blinked and another 20 years went by.

[real.finder]

smartphones are boring and very limited when come to "things to learning", they made the OS for normies (you get more things if you did jailbreak or root but it's still so far from PC windows)

I forgot to mention, the only thing that the mobile did great in it was replacing the Walkman (fun thing there was W Series of mobiles from sony ericsson)

[feisty2]

btw I'm getting the feeling that while my generation is great with computers and programming (I'm 35, started programming when I was 12), the younger generation is mostly clueless about all this -- just good at using cellphone apps. Am I right? That's making open-source projects like this a lot more quiet.

I'm GenZ and I'm great with computers and programming

[stax76]

This is a very good resource for learning in case anybody interested:

https://realpython.com


Or if you like Microsoft, Windows and the terminal:


PowerShell:

https://adamtheautomator.com/tag/powershell/


Terminal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gw0rXPMMPE


Editor:

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/languages/powershell


I hope I will also find good Lua resources, need to learn it because of mpv.

[Sharc]

Nice, thanks stax76.

[feisty2]

But no... New generations are spoiled, they don't use PCs and they just don't care about using them.
The only ones who do use computers among the youngsters are the ones that play games on their computer as they refuse to play them on a console, but... that's pretty much it...

It's sad, really... :(

false argument. new generations do use computers, like, A LOT. The thing is the role of computers has shifted from a one-for-all universal device to a tool for more specialized and professional tasks. you do ur recreational activities like listening to music or watching u2b, and also socializing on cellphones cuz why not? These things do not require the computation power of computers or the support of highly professional programs, doing them on cellphone is much easier and more importantly, much more portable than on computers, you got a cellphone and you do it whenever and wherever you like. On the other hand, we do LaTeX our papers on computers, train neural networks on computers and I'm pretty sure the blackhole photo was synthesized on computers not cellphones.

[StainlessS]

I'm GenZ and I'm great with computers and programming
Yep but even you gotta admit that you is a 'one-off' and a bit of an 'odd-sock'. :)

EDIT: Happy to see you back after your long absence F2.

[feisty2]

if u met a person who hadn't touched a computer for an entire year, the more likely fact is that this person had been kind of a slacker and not very productive for the past year. not the younger generations have stopped using computers. careful with how your retroduction generalizes.

[StainlessS]

I had to look that one up (not in my pop-up dictionary)


Retroduction is the provisional adoption of a hypothesis, because every possible consequence of it is capable of experimental verification,
so that the persevering application of the same method may be expected to reveal its disagreement with facts, if it does so disagree.
And who can argue with that (not me, I'm still tryin' to figure it out)
You is way too clever for me F2 :)

[real.finder]

The truth is, normies from all generations tend to worship mobile instead of using computers

and also socializing on cellphones cuz why not? These things do not require the computation power of computers or the support of highly professional programs, doing them on cellphone is much easier and more importantly, much more portable than on computers, you got a cellphone and you do it whenever and wherever you like.

I think this is one of the reasons for not respecting time, even if I had FB in mobile I rarely use it, and the most usage of it from PC since it has bigger screen and the keyboard is more comfortable than touch and more reasons

[StainlessS]

My 85 YO mother said about a year or so ago, that if her iPad broke today, she would go out an buy another tomorrow, she loves that thing.
Never touches her laptop any more. [she got an iPhone too but just uses as a phone].
She said that her ~£550.00 iPad is so much better than the ~£75.00 Android tablet that I talked her into buying first.