which CPU is currently recommended to play 4K + HDR movies?

[hogtop]

which CPU is currently recommended to play 4K + HDR movies?
AMD OR INTEL ?
which model (including opening filters) ?

which player plays the best 4K movies? HDR?

and why ?

[Klaus1189]

A high end CPU is not needed when you have a 1050ti which has hardware decoders.

MPC-HC or better MPC-BE, because MPC-BE can also convert HDR to SDR with internal filters, without the need of madVR and MPC-BE development is very active. See its thread for more infos or questions:
Media Player Classic - BE Win32/x64 (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=165890)
Here you can download latest Nightly build, don't worry -> rocksolid ;)
https://yadi.sk/d/r7JYQ2NjHvE4lA/Beta/1.5.4
https://yadi.sk/d/hlf1lfC8mKU58

[hogtop]

Thank you for your help

MPC-BE gives better HDR, but it looks like a DVD player rather than 4K

not the most accurate
to unite
noises in the picture
no details in the picture

" MPC-BE, because MPC-BE can also convert HDR to SDR "
why ruin the movie ? This already means that there are problems with the player play HDR

i have an OPPO 103D and I'd rather see a 1080P than a computer player


Something about the quality of the filters and the player doesn't fit 4K

[Klaus1189]

When it "converts" it is not ruining the video, but it is tonemaping the HDR metadata to SDR video. madVR does similar but in highest quality possible if you set it up so. Just follow the offical threads here on doom9 and also on AVS.
What does not work for you in 4K? I have several 4K screens and every one works just fine with pure MPC-BE without external Filters like LAV Filters and madVR and also with the external filters. I need info to help you with that.
The Envy does also the tonemapping. Look up its price.
By the way I have an OPPO too, but it is a UDP-203 ;)

[hogtop]

first thanks for your help !

I'm trying to work with MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64
Everyone has pros and cons

1. i opened filters - like sharpen and sharpen complex

these are the only filters that do something for your image, but the price this black tones is shattering! Light noises in movie !
brightness goes down a lot .

2. madVR- is written in filters that do not work

What does not work for you in 4K?
all movies and sound types work in 4K including sound DTS -X (but No sound punch, quality , no character )

you have the most powerful computer processors and computer commands at any level you want and no one is right for quality!
Play quality!

but it doesn't look 4K! ( In 10 BIT Colors movies, colors are lost, lacking many shades, lacking sharpness
compared to the Blue Ray 1080P, the Blue Ray looks sharper! you see many details in oppo 103D !

Darbee Visual - your players do not have similar elements like Darbee Visual / AI and the Tegra X1 in SHIELD TV Pro

i have a Q9FN 65 "screen

you feel that the filters and Player MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64 ! are not tuned in to show and play quality !!!
Can play any movie but without quality .

3. HDR - does not work well with Player MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64
i do not know if this the Microsoft driver for HDR or players for HDR ?
Or need a special computer processor ?

4. the problem I feel is that developers are not looking to give image or sound quality!
Not compatible with new computer systems and processors, processing commands of 2019 or 2015

5. " By the way I have an OPPO too, but it is a UDP-203 "

and look at the situation the OPPO company closed 18 months ago !!!
there are no updates and the price of 203 oppo device increased from $ 450 to $ 2100 +
it screams and says computer players aren't good enough !!!

6. see sales of SHIELD TV Pro are not Standing in demand and it is a device with lots of problem

7. The Samsung TV player does a better job than your player
with HDR or with out HDR
But without DTS or eARC support

8. i must add that your players lack quality = HDR, contrast, 10 / 12BIT colors
and it feels like developers don't have screens that match the quality of display !
NO Rich, sharp and detailed picture

8.1 the same goes for sound, as if no one has really checked or heard what it sounds like in 7.1.6
Or 9.1.6 or 5.1.4
No sound accuracy quality
there is no sound detail no sharp sound

[QBhd]

Wow... there is so much to unpack here.

I'm not sure anyone can help you since you seem to be looking for something that most here would consider wrong.

I can say with a certainty that madVR is one of the best (if not THE best) renderer for it's ability to produce an amazing image in terms of both quality and accuracy.

I can only guess, but either your entire setup has some serious flaws or you are chasing dragons that nearly everyone here would avoid at all costs.

QB

[hogtop]

Wow... there is so much to unpack here.

I'm not sure anyone can help you since you seem to be looking for something that most here would consider wrong.

I can say with a certainty that madVR is one of the best (if not THE best) renderer for it's ability to produce an amazing image in terms of both quality and accuracy.

I can only guess, but either your entire setup has some serious flaws or you are chasing dragons that nearly everyone here would avoid at all costs.

QB

the system is quite simple to install and operate, and there are some filters that really help!

1. Unfortunately - the player does a bad job

2. From 2000 I have been installing various players, the players
2.1 MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64 They have a history that developers just disappeared, stopped supporting them.

3. Over the years there have been so many compromises and malfunctions with the player!

3.1 that many people ran away from a quality tune through a computer and bought a Stream + Blue Ray

3.2 for many years in all the forums in the US and Europe people complained about the poor quality of players!
that's the reality!

3.3 Countless players were left by their owners who couldn't sell them either, because nobody wanted to pay them! That's a reality!

I can say with a certainty that madVR is one of the best

is it a quality plug? If it does not work in the player and is closed for operation

how do you recommend a plug-in that doesn't exist in the player?

4. all your words without exception, unrelated to the reality of quality non-quality players!

4.1 no wonder you can't answer anything listed here
apart from listing an advertisement that you have the best player in the world!
Unrelated to reality

this is not the only problem for MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64 players
just show the joke of poor quality of players, let's take for example POWER DVD 19

Who for 12 years has not been updated on his engine see a picture of commands in the processor

3D NOW ? 12 years does not exist
every year the POWER DVD players get worse !
they ask for $ 100 on a player that gives poor viewing quality, they have no money to spend .
so they change graphics of the player every year!

i must point out that the sound is usually quality!
and sell the same player every year With a new advertisement

[huhn]

if you state anything as "reality" you should back it up with facts.

you are just ranting none sense.

you do not even understanding how DTS-X and dolby atmos work and there is nothing a "player" can do with it that'S how it works it untouchable by the source player and the end device like an AVR has to do everything...

[Klaus1189]

first thanks for your help !
You're welcome ;) Most important question is what grafics card and what mainboard do you use? Exact name and type number.

I'm trying to work with MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64
Everyone has pros and cons
For me MPC-BE has not a single con, everything works like I want it to be.

1. i opened filters - like sharpen and sharpen complex
these are the only filters that do something for your image, but the price this black tones is shattering! Light noises in movie !
brightness goes down a lot .
Use that kind of filters later, for now I want to help you that you can enjoy MPC-BE and maybe also external filters, just like you want

2. madVR- is written in filters that do not work
download madVR, unpack the folder to your desired location, open the unpacked folder and rightclick install.bat
now madVR is installed and can be configured with doubleclick on madHcCtrl.exe then a icon in taskbar appears.
Here it will be too much to suggest the settings for your needs, this will be a thing for later .

all movies and sound types work in 4K including sound DTS -X (but No sound punch, quality , no character )
What Mainboard and sound related devices like AVR or pc speaker, ... do you use and how connected to PC?

you have the most powerful computer processors and computer commands at any level you want and no one is right for quality!
Play quality!
What do you mean by that? Quality is here, I think it just needs some settings tweaking.

but it doesn't look 4K! ( In 10 BIT Colors movies, colors are lost, lacking many shades, lacking sharpness
compared to the Blue Ray 1080P, the Blue Ray looks sharper! you see many details in oppo 103D !
What does OSD info tell you when pressing info button of TV remote when PC is playing a video?

Darbee Visual - your players do not have similar elements like Darbee Visual / AI and the Tegra X1 in SHIELD TV Pro
What do you want say with that? Please be more precise what you want or need.

i have a Q9FN 65 "screen
OK, it is the highest class Samsung QLED of 2018. One of my TVs is a Q9FN too ;)

you feel that the filters and Player MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64 ! are not tuned in to show and play quality !!!
Can play any movie but without quality .
What quality are you missing, please post sreenshots or describe it. For pictures please use Google drive or similar, do not post it directly here, we cannot view them.

3. HDR - does not work well with Player MPC-BE + MPC-HC x64
i do not know if this the Microsoft driver for HDR or players for HDR ?
Or need a special computer processor ?
No, just install madVR as already described and select it under Options -> Video -> Video Renderer
In madVR options select passthrough HDR to display in devices -> name of Screen -> hdr

4. the problem I feel is that developers are not looking to give image or sound quality!
Not compatible with new computer systems and processors, processing commands of 2019 or 2015
What is exactly the problem, since I get high quality out of it I need more info to help you with the settings

5. and look at the situation the OPPO company closed 18 months ago !!!
there are no updates and the price of 203 oppo device increased from $ 450 to $ 2100 +
it screams and says computer players aren't good enough !!!
Not really, since there are different user types, some prefer hardware players and other prefer software players.

6. see sales of SHIELD TV Pro are not Standing in demand and it is a device with lots of problem
I can not say anything about it since I don't own it because I have a dedicated custom HTPC built by myself ;)

7. The Samsung TV player does a better job than your player with HDR or with out HDR
But without DTS or eARC support
What clips do you compare? And yes Samsung dropped support for these audio types. But I cannot confirm it it better than my HTPC. But for exactly that issue I want to help you and change your mind.

8. i must add that your players lack quality = HDR, contrast, 10 / 12BIT colors
and it feels like developers don't have screens that match the quality of display !
NO Rich, sharp and detailed picture
Again you need to install madVR to passthrough HDR to the display. Then we can discuss that.

8.1 the same goes for sound, as if no one has really checked or heard what it sounds like in 7.1.6
Or 9.1.6 or 5.1.4
No sound accuracy quality
there is no sound detail no sharp sound

If you are Bitstreaming, what you should, the audio is sent to the AVR exactly the same way as a OPPO does it. Same audio signal bit exact at AVR
What comes in my mind, do you use a AVR and external speaker? If you are using built in TV speakers you must be sure to downmix Audio to Stereo im MPC-BE. Otherwise the Center and other channels way be not hearable.

This was the first one, please wait a bit for the next part :)

[Sparktank]

A high end CPU is not needed when you have a 1050ti which has hardware decoders.

This pretty much sums it up.

I'm using an old, used XEON with 12 cores. Does not support AVX extension.
But with a GTX 1060 and 12GB of RAM, I can rip my UHD movies and watch them without any frame drops.

I watch on my PC.
SDR monitor, MPC-HC (development continued on Github (https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc), for new updates/patches, it's preferred you have a push commit), latest MadVR test builds (not static web page to get updates, random posts on the AVSforums (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-digital-hi-end-projectors-3-000-usd-msrp/2954506-improving-madvr-hdr-sdr-mapping-projector.html) have download links to test builds; so use latest stable on a static page: Videohelp (https://www.videohelp.com/software/madVR)).

In LAV filters, you can disable 10/16bit and let it export as NV12 (8bit). In MadVR OSD stats, you'll see that you can shave off about 10-15ms of rendering time.
Test this, so you can see if you notice a difference in accuracy or not.
Placebo people will use 10/16bit. Insane people will use RGB48.

On my really outdated system (old mobo and old cpu), I use NV12 on my 32" 1080p/SDR/TN monitor (not IPS or O/LED; bought it for gaming and HFR interpolating via SVP).
The difference between NV12 and 10bit, only some scenes may show actual difference to me.

[huhn]

In LAV filters, you can disable 10/16bit and let it export as NV12 (8bit). In MadVR OSD stats, you'll see that you can shave off about 10-15ms of rendering time.
and would could lower the render times even lower by selecting RGB output. because the GPU doesn't have to do that now. is this a good idea no because there is no reason to touch the image and if you have perfroamcne issues just use D3D11 decode and you should not loose 10 ms render times.
still wonder how my 1060 can do every thing in less then 10 ms but...
Placebo people will use 10/16bit. Insane people will use RGB48.

sane user will not change these settings at all because they just cost CPU cycles for nothing. using RGB out of any kind is lowering picture quality by maving the chroma scaling to the CPU instead of a GPU which is much faster and efficient by doing that.

On my really outdated system (old mobo and old cpu), I use NV12 on my 32" 1080p/SDR/TN monitor (not IPS or O/LED; bought it for gaming and HFR interpolating via SVP).
The difference between NV12 and 10bit, only some scenes may show actual difference to me.

no you don't using NV12 because your screen doesn't support it for an input and GPU can't output NV12 the closes would YCbCr 4:2:0 which is possible with HDMI 2.0 there is absolutely no reason to do that.

[Sparktank]

If I use 10/16bit YUV420 on a full remux, It can take up to 44ms, which drops frames and lags a lot.
That's with no compromise in the trade/quality settings in Madvr (except for scale chroma separately).

Using NV12 vs YV12 in 8bit, I get faster render times in MadVR using NV12.
Selecting only NV12/YV12, LAV will export NV12, anyway.

Older builds of MadVR would spike up to at least 40.

Selecting any RGB mode in LAV spikes up to at least 50.

Id I add compromising in HDR/Gamut tonemapping accuracy, I get at least 32ms for RGB24.
Which is just playable. Anything at least 40ms and it starts to stutter and lag a lot for me.

[huhn]

did you try d3d11?
and did you lower the queue you have very little Vram?

p010 is double the raw size of NV12 but it can be send without doing anything.

did you even check if your CPU can do an RGB conversation in real time for UHD not sure if anyone ever made that multi threaded ?

[Sparktank]

did you try d3d11?
and did you lower the queue you have very little Vram?

p010 is double the raw size of NV12 but it can be send without doing anything.

did you even check if your CPU can do an RGB conversation in real time for UHD not sure if anyone ever made that multi threaded ?

It is set for D3D11 (not auto).
The queue is set for 3 advanced frames in windowed mode (pretty much how I always watch things).

I'm not sure if it's updates to LAV or MadVR, but going 10/16 would act like I was using RGB48.
For some reason, using 10/16 has no impact on performance.

[huhn]

try auto plz. d3d11 copyback is just a "worse" DXVA2 copyback if you don't need a headless gpu.

the present queue should only be10 or 8 bit RGB the real Vram eater is the render queue which is at least 16 bit.

[hogtop]

if you state anything as "reality" you should back it up with facts.
All my answers bring reality! That as the years go by the quality of the players playing on the computer goes down!
When the quality of films goes up

this is facts !

FFDSHOW is still encoded better than your coders+shaders today for PC !
the ability of coded maneuvering is much better for movies up to 1080P. ( FFDSHOW do not develop 10 years - / + )

Today you have shaders that come with ready-made filters that do nothing good for the picture!
If there are shaders that work with the severe side effects of image damage
this is facts !

see photos I took with the James Bond 4K movie
which I add https://imgur.com/YyCkpiu
note the grid in the image with shaders

for many years I did not get any picture quality so bad in the player!
and with a 4K movie .
https://imgur.com/bhXQpmd

Not to mention noise in the picture, distorted colors,

i must point out that you have the most powerful processors on computers
the best video cards from any other player in the store!
and the quality of the players on the computer is very poor

i thought I was doing something wrong and going to friends with high quality equipment and that's where your player looks bad too!
i don't understand your line of thought ? Why do you save quality image processing power on pc ?

my friends have a 10-core 12-core processor+video card
and you don't take advantage of anything from a computer!

you don't use computer processing power, nothing good happens!
i do not understand what you're trying to save electricity ?

you do not even understanding how DTS-X and dolby atmos work and there is nothing a "player" can do with it that'S how it works it untouchable by the source player and the end device like an AVR has to do everything...

That's the problem, I see the same movie in other players as OPPO 203, Cambridge pioneer
Sound gets new life, dynamic, sharpness

Here PowerDVD player comes to sound quality expression
and that sounds the best IN PC !
Somehow your player manages to ruin anything good!

your " pass-through " in DTS-X /dts-hd / DD ....NOT WORK GOOD
(i do have to point out that I found movies that sounded good , but the majority were not exciting and not good like ....)

do your developers have access to quality equipment ?
like a quality 65 "TV like Q90 or OLED?
receivers with 9.1.6 / etc ?
because many friends and I can't figure out if anyone is trying to do tricks with Player ? elimination player?

i know your player 15 years + The situation is bad with high movie quality.

i know so many people who thought they had a computer player and that's the best thing there is!
and after seeing a Blue Ray player, OPPO or other types just couldn't go back to playing on the computer Movies !

You succeeded destroying every mark of quality in the computer player !!!

inaccurate colors
Poor colors in dark picture
It's hard to tell the difference between 8BIT and 10BIT. High quality players have a 12BIT conversion and it looks good.
Your filters are bad,
shaders if working only destroys the image

I can't find anything quality in your player!
like someone is forcibly trying to destroy the domain of pc !

[videoh]

All my answers bring reality! Gotta love this guy! Never back down.

[hogtop]

You're welcome Most important question is what grafics card and what mainboard do you use? Exact name and type number.

I'm sorry for the truth I'm writing but someone has to say instant once, enough! The player looks bad!
all the people I know on forums around the world don't touch in computer player !
and they have the most sophisticated computers in the world!
I don't need a quality computer

i have AMD 8350 +NVIDIA 1050ti +CROSSHAIR V FORMULA-Z (https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/CROSSHAIR_V_FORMULAZ/)
I have AMD 1950+ nvidia 1070
DENON 8500 9.1.6 / 9.1.4 /7.1.6 ( The receiver selects channels up to 13.2 )
oled tv +samsung tv 65" q9fn
all computer players do not work well with OLED because OLED is WRGB and not RGB ( So what I wrote is for Samsung TV )

For me MPC-BE has not a single con, everything works like I want it to be.
The quality is not good, against Blue Ray, or OPPO 103D
Neither me or my friends!

THE HDR Does not work well with your players
I can't say one good word about any computer player
and I've been to a lot of houses and people and nobody can see quality through your player

Once upon a time, the players needed electricity and needed quality cores on the computer for 1080P !
today there is 4K and the players do not need electricity or cores on the computer!
And the video quality through the computer is worse than 10 years ago +

What Mainboard and sound related devices like AVR or pc speaker, ... do you use and how connected to PC?

Only high quality and expensive HDMI cables, from 20 cm up to 1 meter length / AVR 8500

What do you mean by that? Quality is here, I think it just needs some settings tweaking.

no
Someone in your development destroyed all player !
decided not to need image processing power!
and need to save electricity!
and people don't want to buy quality computers !!!
this is where the quality has deteriorated started

What does OSD info tell you when pressing info button of TV remote when PC is playing a video?

MY AVR SAY The James Bond 4K movie shows a 4K 60FPS transmission
8 BIT
and I have to point out with the RGB oriented in 1050TI video card it looks sharp!
But not 10 BIT
in MPC-HC x64
The contrast is good but the colors are weak and not good

I'm directing the movie on a video card to 4: 2: 0 12BIT
There is color improvement But a small difference

I made some video card enhancements to specifically target the player to work better with the NVIDIA 1050TI and it improves!
But the picture is dark and colors are not good

Good Contrast!
60FPS looks good and very sharp

With 4K movie and video card matching, your player is better and can compete with OPPO 103D that broadcasts 1080P
But the colors are not good!
Sharp as the OPPO 103D
HDR 10 - Does not work well and does not improve the film
The film looks too sharp, and the movement is not good

with MPC-BE
The film looks too sharp, and the movement is not good
Colors slightly better
Weak contrasts
Low light in the movie has a serious problem with a Low lighting see image
https://imgur.com/a/sr9NDFK

https://imgur.com/YyCkpiu

HDR 10 - Not good looking, better without HDR
Turning off sharpness filters - improves movement, lowers contrast

The.Current.War.2017.1080p.BluRay - MOVIE

Player looks dark, weak colors!
Many sections do not cope well with weak film lighting and color distortion

Here's a big problem seeing every movie has to sit for hours within the player at the movie
and there is no improvement

AVR Showing 60 FPS 4: 2: 0
12 BIT
Seamless motion, but the player does not cope well with low film lighting
all filters are closed
Weak contrasts

the OPPO 103D is tuned once and can be seen in 2 options with Derby or not
The player automatically selects colors and encodes through HDMI 1 or HDMI 2 in oppo

with RGB 8bit 4k 60hz
the same problems only make the color weaker

I added MPC-BE the software to the 1050TI video card in a specific direction.
I'll play with it tomorrow, because it's already 2AM

there is a problem that keeps coming back
the filters are pre-made and do not fit automatically!
It really helps save CPU power.
But it destroys all good quality and color matching and lighting quality !
This is your player's biggest problem

movie is a dynamic thing, every movie has its own special lighting
There are special colors!
And your filters are not dynamic!
It saves processing power !!!
But ruining every experience and quality of view !!!
No wonder people and Videophiles don't like playing on the computer today.


Audiophiles - Because the filters are not dynamic in your player, no quality, no life in sound, you got the best quality in sound today with DTS-X + dd+ Atmos
and you managed to kill everything living in sound !

[huhn]

hey i installed a player set it up totally wrong so the player is wrong not me i speak the truth.

like someone is forcibly trying to destroy the domain of pc !
it's open source change it...

see photos I took with the James Bond 4K movie
which I add https://imgur.com/YyCkpiu
note the grid in the image with shaders
control+print is a power thingy on a computer not that i need an better image here good job you messed it up
FFDSHOW is still encoded better than your coders+shaders today for PC !
i didn't own them and i didn't see an shader encoding in a while.
Today you have shaders that come with ready-made filters that do nothing good for the picture!
If there are shaders that work with the severe side effects of image damage
this is facts !
proven with nothing.
see photos I took with the James Bond 4K movie
which I add https://imgur.com/YyCkpiu
note the grid in the image with shaders
well good job. how many instances of sharpen complex are that? guess that happens if you give someone a tool box he doesn't understand and let him play around with it.
i must point out that you have the most powerful processors on computers
the best video cards from any other player in the store!
and the quality of the players on the computer is very poor
the only thing that bad here are your settings.
i thought I was doing something wrong and going to friends with high quality equipment and that's where your player looks bad too!
you are definitely doing pretty much everything wrong
i don't understand your line of thought ? Why do you save quality image processing power on pc ?
doing more changes to an image doesn't mean it is better. you are doing a pretty good job in proving this.
my friends have a 10-core 12-core processor+video card
and you don't take advantage of anything from a computer!/QUOTE]
we are not? him that's odd people start to complain that a 2080 ti is not fast enough i guess you just have better hardware.
[QUOTE]you don't use computer processing power, nothing good happens!
i do not understand what you're trying to save electricity ?
well i pay for my electric bill you don't?
Here PowerDVD player comes to sound quality expression
and that sounds the best IN PC !
Somehow your player manages to ruin anything good!
so audio that is 100 % correctly decoded with the creators intend is not good enough?
your " pass-through " in DTS-X /dts-hd / DD ....NOT WORK GOOD
(i do have to point out that I found movies that sounded good , but the majority were not exciting and not good like ....)
but it's bit identical the player can't change it even if it wants to do that.
do your developers have access to quality equipment ?
like a quality 65 "TV like Q90 or OLED?
receivers with 9.1.6 / etc ?why shouldn't they?
because many friends and I can't figure out if anyone is trying to do tricks with Player ? elimination player?
i don't know maybe ask the player for treat next time.
sorry you can't figure it out i guess that's reality.
i know your player 15 years + The situation is bad with high movie quality.

if you say so.
i know so many people who thought they had a computer player and that's the best thing there is!
and after seeing a Blue Ray player, OPPO or other types just couldn't go back to playing on the computer Movies !
oppo is dead the PC player is not so good luck in the future.
You succeeded destroying every mark of quality in the computer player !!!
it's open source you know feel free to change that. i mean you can't even set a video player up on a PC but maybe you can write a new one that's just better.
inaccurate colors
Poor colors in dark picture
It's hard to tell the difference between 8BIT and 10BIT. High quality players have a 12BIT conversion and it looks good.
Your filters are bad,
shaders if working only destroys the image
my calibrated TV and verification say something different but maybe write new calibration software too.
to bad that GPU's use mostly FP32 that's 32 of these bit thingys do you even know what they do?

I can't find anything quality in your player!
like someone is forcibly trying to destroy the domain of pc !
not like we have anything better todo. maybe just move on if you are not good enough in using them.

and now i wish you a lot of fun pressing every button, check every check box that is possible to check and change every setting you could possible touch without any clue what you are doing them blame it for the result that you created.

ahh yeah don't forget there are other forums that need to know about that spread it stop us from destroying the "PC domain" you are the last hope! in the name of reality.

[hogtop]

Quote:
like someone is forcibly trying to destroy the domain of pc !
it's open source change it...


I'm not a manufacturer, unfortunately
You ask with an opinion? Recieve!
Now you know why people don't like a computer player!
Also available free ! don't like computer player!

Someone needs to start telling the truth!

no
Someone in your development destroyed all player !
decided not to need image processing power!
and need to save electricity!
and people don't want to buy quality computers !!!
this is where the quality has deteriorated started

there is a problem that keeps coming back
the filters are pre-made and do not fit automatically!
It really helps save CPU power.
But it destroys all good quality and color matching and lighting quality !
This is your player's biggest problem

Audiophiles - Because the filters are not dynamic in your player, no quality, no life in sound, you got the best quality in sound today with DTS-X + dd+ Atmos
and you managed to kill everything living in sound !


Image with different lighting has quality distortion

No wonder you lose many viewers?

No wonder the lowest-level HDR can't work with your player!
that's one problem!
and there are many problems with non-dynamic filters!

no dynamic filters - no HDR 10
no dynamic filters - no HDR 10 +
no dynamic filters - no Dolby Vision HDR
no dynamic filters - no quality, no life in sound.
no dynamic filters = Today the player's life will be short !

No wonder people who see their new HDR screen with a computer player are very disappointed!
So much so that they think it's all a fraud.

Believe me I don't enjoy writing it and I'd rather write and tell all my friends, play movies only in your player!

No wonder all the players PC - its developers are gone!
Even selling the player can not.

You are trying to bring more customers to your player and you will get the opposite results!
People are losing interest in not understanding why quality is not good, with any PC player
Unfortunately ! :)

Unfortunately all your answers are not written to the point
You have been personally offended !
why ?

My screen player in samsung tv including HDR does a much better job than any other player!
But not DTS!

don't understand why Samsung refuses to give driver to sound pass-through to receiver ?


Same problem with the Blue Ray4K Panasonic 820 player, you can't hear the movies!
Just watch movies without sound

Next year with HDMI 2.1 + eARC
Which computer player will stay alive ? and why ?

[Klaus1189]

:confused:

[QBhd]

Everyone here is wrong and you're right... We don't know what we're doing and you are here to save us all... I'm thinking that the only problem here is the user. As said above, learn how to use your tools before blaming them for the mess you made.

QB

[hogtop]

Everyone here is wrong and you're right... We don't know what we're doing and you are here to save us all... I'm thinking that the only problem here is the user. As said above, learn how to use your tools before blaming them for the mess you made.

QB

1. again you are wrong I am not here to save anyone !!!
i wrote here about technical problems you have with the player! that's the reality I see!
and others see!

1.1 Read Your Answer - Step 1 in Psychology - Denial
Nothing rational, no answer related to reality

2. Each time I explain the technical problems in your player and others on PC and you take it personally !

3. Read:
No wonder the lowest-level HDR can't work with your player!
that's one problem!
and there are many problems with non-dynamic filters!

no dynamic filters - no HDR 10
no dynamic filters - no HDR 10 +
no dynamic filters - no Dolby Vision HDR
no dynamic filters - no quality, no life in sound.
no dynamic filters = Today the player's life will be short!

4. don't you look a little weird ?
i have been living this topic for 20 years
for 20 years I have known various forums of developers who told me exactly the same:

"We know what we are doing" and after a year they are gone!
and their player is gone or taken for free to other developers.

5. Instead of going down on me personally, try to understand the problems with your player!
Try to understand that today every TV player does a much better job than your computer player!

Not to mention HDR - your player has no ability to really play HDR
It just doesn't look good (and I've explained why)

6. LG OLED - Understand the problems with external players
and therefore LG spend a lot of money on an internal player on screen!
Sound quality!
eARC!
HDMI 2.1!

Try to answer what you have to offer ?
What do you have to sell to customers on your computer ?

7. next year will start a wave of HDMI 2.1!
you think if you go down on customers or people Will it change the situation ?

8. go see Panasonic 9000/820 players, Pioneer 500/800, Sony 700 and you'll realize that you don't even have this HDR just doesn't work.

9. OPPO or Cambridge - who succeeded in creating a player, shut down the factories!
Don't even sell their factory!

OPPO department's value, according to accounting reports over $ 100 million, failed to sell the department to create Blue Ray

9.1 They stopped producing because high-quality coded development costs are too expensive!
and didn't believe they would sell Blue Ray for $ 750

9.2 Today they eat the hat! Blue Ray Ultra 203 Cost 2100$+++
No warranty and no support, no firmware update!

18 months earlier it sold for $ 450

9.3 People currently sell used OPPO 203 for $ 1000 +++
People are offering me $ 800 on a used OPPO 103D player

OPPO UDP-205 Ultra HD Audiophile Blu-ray Disc Player
Sold for $ 4500 ++++ (https://www.amazon.com/OPPO-UDP-205-Audiophile-Blu-ray-Player/dp/B06ZYJ8QTD)

10. ask yourself how you might have a player who does the same job and for free and people don't want you ???

do you think it would be nice to come here and tell you there is a problem With the player ???

do you think it pleases me to tell the truth and get curses ???

What will I gain from this ???

10.1 do you think that uttering the truth requires courage on my part ? Or stupidity ?

[Grimsdyke]

Don't feed the troll, guys !!

[clsid]

Use MPC-HC + (internal) LAV Filters + madVR
+ Don't use ffdshow
+ Don't use shaders
+ Don't do other stupid stuff
= Problems solved

[hogtop]

Use MPC-HC + (internal) LAV Filters + madVR
+ Don't use ffdshow
+ Don't use shaders
+ Don't do other stupid stuff
= Problems solved

I wish it was as simple as you describe!

you need to keep in mind that PC players are currently based on passive encoders
and NO rec 2020 NO rec 2100 NO rec DCI-P3...
( sooooo win 10 can't transfer UHD there is no suitable color scheme at all) !!!

If you can't watch regular UHD
you probably can't watch UHD HDR and other dynamic encoders that aren't on your computer !!!
No driver for color UHD NO dynamic encoders for UHD
So how can you really see a UHD movie

(you may have a low level of REC 709 designed for HD viewing )

Years have spared the development of dynamic drivers, dynamic encoders that today all players are not worth watching through a computer!

from the DVD era as the quality of the pixels increased and the quality of the colors increased ( 601/709/P3/2020 )

you Stop investing in coders! Stop investing in image processors!
and the result = disappearing watch quality! The movies playing is bad on computer and wrong!

Years that did not build player systems that fit to high-quality computers

(and see that people stopped buying new computers, why buy a movie player for bad player movie quality? the player no longer needs a CPU
everything became passive and the quality went down very badly / incorrectly / in the wrong movie lighting / pixel distortion........

( at the end of the day, parents buy a new computer for PLAYER that needs a lot of CPU and child for new games!
PLAYER does not need a CPU, does not buy a computer, because the players no longer give good results /No CPU required )


in the 90/2000 people came to visit the homes of others to see new computers / movies and quality that can be obtained through a new computer!
that there is no quality of movies / PLAYER
Don't buy computers !!!


All the thinking of player developers save money in developing players / coders / player engine
Just save processing power
Just don't consume CPU
Just don't consume electricity
that all the quality of the viewing was simply not good (and I'm fine)

Instead of building coders that fit any lighting situation in the movie
and the color that was in the movie at that moment!
There is only one passive encoder that shows in 60 seconds, maybe 5 seconds colors and pixels are correct and I'm only talking about movies up to HD!

UHD can't even be seen correctly in computer players.

[nevcairiel]

Luckily for all of us, you are just flat out wrong in any of your statements. PCs can send BT.2020 to TVs, PCs can send HDR to TVs. If it doesn't work for you, maybe thats a problem on your end only.

Also, if you don't believe computers can play video properly anymore, why do you come to a forum like this? Why don't you just spend a couple thousand dollars on a so-called videophile player and leave us alone?

[hogtop]

Luckily for all of us, you are just flat out wrong in any of your statements. PCs can send BT.2020 to TVs, PCs can send HDR to TVs.

Sure PC can send REC 2020 / P3, but your software MPC-BE / MPC-HC x64 can't do it!
that's the reality.
there is no filter and color system in the player REC 2020 / REC P3
Interestingly anyone can actually test this and that is before lab tests.

In practice your color system is BT 601 and can be converted to BT 709
and of course get unpleasant side effects!
the HDR with madVR - Not only does not exist, it gives poor and distorted results ( The 4K movie looks worse than HD in = OPPO )


Your players were not designed at all for the REC 709 color system or beyond
and still can't play beyond REC 601

why do you thinking people say after watching your player that HDR is bullshit ???

no wonder these players were thrown in the trash!
the one you added filters is inappropriate, not built right.

If it doesn't work for you, maybe thats a problem on your end only.

Really?
Show me a marble filter in the player that gives 24 BIT real color?
Show me a filter in the player that gives REC 2020?
Show me a filter giving P3?

there are no such filters in the players!
If no player exists, how do you declare it exists? Or can play HDR or 4K?
REC 709 color system is also manipulated, not real !

Also, if you don't believe computers can play video properly anymore, why do you come to a forum like this?

again and again you are twisting my answers and reality!
your players cannot play a real HD color system
And certainly not HDR
And they certainly do not have REC P3 or REC 2020 filters !

nevcairiel
Registered Developer


You call yourself a developer, how do you not know that there is no color system in HDR or 4K in your player?

madVR - It is a filter not related to your player, it manipulates as if HDR
But in practice it takes the REC 601/709 color system from your player and distorts it as if it were HDR

your madVR can be installed on any desktop without a player and distort colors like HDR In practice it is a scam and it destroys the colors


How can the filter give true HDR colors?
if the madVR filter has colors from your player MPC-BE / MPC-HC x64 at about REC601 / 709 ?

madVR filter connects to your player and receives a REC 601 color
And does manipulation

and you blame me, on what?

[huhn]

everything is present for color management if you can't set it up correct you and your ignores are to blame nothing else.

[hogtop]

everything is present for color management if you can't set it up correct you and your ignores are to blame nothing else.

are you Serious ?
your entire answer has nothing to do with anything I write.

the actual player color system that exists in the player up to REC 601
From DVD days ( not HD and certainly not UHD )

what am I guilty of?
that I'm not ready to tell a delusional story about a color scheme that doesn't exist
?

If you're such a genius, show us where the REC 709 color system is in the player?
REC 2020 or P3 player

there is some filter that you added REC 601 to 709
which is not actually adding color, it adds brightness that is not related to color
More manipulation?

this filter again makes the movie worse

after the story of madVR that does not exist
HDR that does not exist
What remains is a DVD player built 15 years ago and 100 stories unrelated to reality?


In every movie I open in low light sections, there are no colors at all in your player
Except for black and white and brown!
Is it your REC 709 or P3 or 2020 ?

[clsid]

The player selects between 601/709 automatically based on the encoding settings (with resolution based fallback).

The shader you mention is for performing color correction on files that have been encoded wrong. It is not for normal use. You have already been told before that you should not use any of the shaders.

P3/2020 output is possible by using MadVR as the renderer.
MPC-HC options > Playback > Output
You can configure HDR and colors stuff here:
MadVR options > Devices
You can press Ctrl+J during playback to view color related information.

YOU get wrong colors because YOU are doing things wrong.

[nevcairiel]

The moment you use any "filter" on the video, you are already doing it wrong. Also, 90% of your statements I don't even understand because your english is horrible and you keep using wrong words. Try making simple sentences.
But I can ensure you that you can get perfect BT.2020 and HDR output with MPC-HC and madVR if you actually set it up properly and your TV supports it.

As a developer, I actually know what happens to the data from a file, to being decoded, and shown on the screen, and you do not. And for DirectShow players like MPC-HC/BE and others, the player does not matter! Players do not care, they do not even touch the video, they only offer an UI and playback controls, the only part that cares is the renderer, and if you use madVR for that, it can output perfect BT.2020, or DCI-P3, and in HDR if you want it to.

There is a lot of critical people using madVR to play UHD HDR movies, both here and on AVS Forums, and many of them would complain quite loudly if HDR didn't look right on their high-end screens and projectors, so I can ensure you that it does. But you won't ever believe anything we say, and we can't fix your issues, so why don't you just move on.

[ashlar42]

Guys, I admire you but... did you really lose so much time with this guy? :D