Help with Ren & Stimpy German DVDs

[agjank]

Hi - new here. I recently bought a complete series DVD set of The Ren & Stimpy Show from Germany, which restores many scenes that were cut from the US DVDs of the show. The only problem is that the restored scenes have blended/ghosted frames that I can't seem to get rid of (none of the deinterlace settings in VLC, for example, seem to have any effect):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uJTj2tpt1dY/Vp2Up913ozI/AAAAAAAABhw/v6uN7zQCINM/s478-Ic42/blendexample.jpg

I searched for ways to fix this and came across this list of Avisynth filters (http://avisynth.nl/index.php/External_filters#Fieldblending_and_Frameblending_removal). The "Specials" one sounds pretty close to what I want (I have VHS copies of the scenes which could be used as reference sources), except I've never used Avisynth before and can't seem to get the hang of it. All my attempts at writing scripts bring up error messages when opened in VirtualDub, and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Could someone help me out? Does anyone know of any VirtualDub filters or other ways to do what I'm trying to do? Thanks in advance. (Forgive me if this has already been addressed)

[foxyshadis]

I'm going to put this in the AviSynth forum so it gets more eyes. Have you installed DGIndex/DGDecode, to read your files into AviSynth? With them, you can also section off just 30 seconds or so of the VOB and upload the resulting m2v so that we can take a look and make a proper recommendation. Anything from the middle of an episode showing plenty of movement will be enough.

http://beginwithsoftware.com/videoguides/convert_to_avchd_sd_video/14_DGIndex_Save_Project_and_Demux_Video.png

Then we can start helping you make a script without errors.

[StainlessS]

agjank,
The '[' and ']' buttons mark Start and End of cut-out section, in DGIndex.

EDIT: You can post sample on SendSpace or MediaFire or some other file host site.

[wonkey_monkey]

I searched for ways to fix this and came across this list of Avisynth filters (http://avisynth.nl/index.php/External_filters#Fieldblending_and_Frameblending_removal). The "Specials" one sounds pretty close to what I want (I have VHS copies of the scenes which could be used as reference sources)

Wow, I had no idea "Specials" was actually being suggested for people to seriously use. It was only really written for a one-off use case. I suspect your main stumbling block would be resizing the DVD source to match the VHS reference source, since the VHS source will be noisier and blurrier, and maybe even a different geometry. My use was to compare a DVD to a blu-ray, which just meant a simple (ish; it had to be offset a bit as well for a pixel-to-pixel match) resize.

[Hotte]

OK, let´s check the very simple thing.
It is not frame blending because your whatever player is so polite to blend the German 25p PAL source up to 30p ?

[agjank]

I'm going to put this in the AviSynth forum so it gets more eyes. Have you installed DGIndex/DGDecode, to read your files into AviSynth? With them, you can also section off just 30 seconds or so of the VOB and upload the resulting m2v so that we can take a look and make a proper recommendation. Anything from the middle of an episode showing plenty of movement will be enough.

http://beginwithsoftware.com/videoguides/convert_to_avchd_sd_video/14_DGIndex_Save_Project_and_Demux_Video.png

Then we can start helping you make a script without errors.

Okay - done. A few more details: The German DVDs seem to mostly use the same source material as the US DVDs (the missing scenes are clearly spliced in from PAL masters; the video quality noticeably shifts whenever this happens). The German DVDs are also interlaced (as are the US DVDs); only the PAL-sourced scenes appear to have the frame blending issue. Here's a sample clip (0:14-0:17 and 0:35-0:50 are not in the US DVD):
http://www.mediafire.com/download/33ijkaweaeyh0cz/VTS_01_7.demuxed.m2v

[geometer]

are there originals that don't show the behavior?
to me it looks like part of the art. they didn't draw the motion details, they blended 2-3 frames to and fro and then again.

[agjank]

are there originals that don't show the behavior?
to me it looks like part of the art. they didn't draw the motion details, they blended 2-3 frames to and fro and then again.

Check around 0:33-0:35; it switches to a PAL master midway through the shot. The change is very noticeable when going frame by frame in PowerDVD.

EDIT: Here's another sample clip using the scene I screenshotted above. The first is from the German DVD; the second is from an NTSC VHS tape:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o46kat0dud7hlb6/VTS_01_4.demuxed.m2v
http://www.mediafire.com/download/whw81awdhf211iz/rs-sample.demuxed.m2v

[burfadel]

Proper PAL masters are smooth, you don't have any of that crappy NTSC blended field nonsense. I believe the whole Germany set would be in PAL anyway? It's possible the deleted scenes that were added back in were done using the film --> PAL telecine which is very rare. It's used to avoid the speedup, but you do get those blended frames (by far not as much as NTSC though). You're probably stuck with it due to the mastering of the disks etc.