3D SBS convertion

[datman]

So I just started playing around with the newish 3D option. I have a couple and never really thought it was all that great. So is SBS a different 3D format than the default one that is on the original disc? Seems to be about the same in appearance but like I said it never really impressed me from the start. I don’t know if I would have paid more for the “Panasonic” glasses it would have been better.

I also wanted to know what is the best way to process a 3D movie. Should I work strait off the disc or rip it to an ISO?

I ripped it to a folder and the file is huge. What is the SSIF file? It just seemed weird that the rip would be double the size of the disc


Any down side to processing it down to a BD-25 size?

[Ch3vr0n]

Ofcourse it's different. Standard 3D (Real3D) have fullscreen (1920*1080) alternating images. 1 for the right eye, the next for the left. SBS (side-by-side) has BOTH eyes on 1 screen. Where each side is 960/1080. The TV knows what to do with it to make it 3D. SBS looks like this http://i.ytimg.com/vi/m30eyDv3250/maxresdefault.jpg

There is no "best" way, best is relative. What 1 user may find the best, you won't necessairily find the best. However the recommended way (with ANY blu-ray, not just 3D) is to rip to HDD first for multiple reasons

1) The transfer speed of a HDD is a lot faster than an optical drive
2) a spinning disc generates heat. Heat + computer = BAD

The reason it's huge is because the SSIF file is a VIRTUAL file that's nothing but references that are already on the disc. It's only when you rip to FOLDER that the virtual references become real because windows works on a bit-by-bit basis. It has to turn it real. That's also the reason why you end up with a folder that's twice the size of the original disc, that SSIF file became real. That's not weird, thats normal if you rip to folder. Folder rip is the wrong way to do it.

3D discs MUST BE RIPPED to an ISOn to maintain correct file size and disc structure. You then mount the ISO in a virtual drive software like Elby's "Virtual Clone Drive", and point BDRB to the virtual drive. It will do the rest.

Any downside? Not really, the way x264 works is that it strips away excess video bitrate before it starts touching image quality.

So to do it the right way

1) rip ANY blu-ray to ISO FILE (not just 3D), it's the recommended method and the ONLY method in case of 3D.
2) mount the iso in a virtual drive
3) point bdrb to the virtual drive and you're good to go.

[datman]

Thanks Ch3vr0n for the detailed explanation. So I think you are saying the full version of 3D theoretically will always be better but the side by side will be very close.

I like being able to access everything from HDD(s) I used to do it from my HTPC but I now use an Oppo BDP 105D. I could not mount the 3D ISO files on the Oppo but the SBS folders seem to work very well.

Interesting back when the TV was new I burned a 3D movie on a BD-50 disc. Now that disc will not play on the Oppo but plays fine on the PC, go figure.

[Ch3vr0n]

Both the original and the backup will be exactly the same. As i said, before x264 starts touching video quality it strips away the excess bitrate. Combine that with removing unwanted audio and that free's up more space to keep detail at a maximum. There's no reason to output to SBS unless the oppo doesn't support full hd 3D. BDRB outputs full hd 3D compliant with the standard, so if it can mount folders it should mount a normal 3D folder (full hd 1920*1080) produced by bdrb just fine.

The output doesn't matter (iso or folder) from BDRB, its the INPUT that MUST be an iso or the rip doubles in size as you've encountered. That's just how it is (because of those virtual ssif references), there's no way around that.

Now the fact that your oppo doesn't like it could simply be because of 1) it doesn't like the brand of blanks (anymore) or 2) the disc quality has degraded to a point where it can no longer read it. I don't know what brand you're using, but unless it's verbatim drop it.

[datman]

OK so I want to uncheck the "enable SBS 3D movie only output." It was checked by default and I unchecked it once and it became checked so I thought that was my backup option.

My blanks are Optical Quantum. I will remeber your suggestion about verbatim

[Ch3vr0n]

i can't speak for movie-only, as i only do full disc backups. It could be that for movie-only that's the (only and) default choice, but under "settings" i can untick that just fine and it stays unticked. Jdobbs will have to chime in on that one.

[datman]

i can't speak for movie-only, as i only do full disc backups. It could be that for movie-only that's the (only and) default choice, but under "settings" i can untick that just fine and it stays unticked. Jdobbs will have to chime in on that one.

I'm not sure why it came unticked but it worked perfect lastnight. The full 3D is much better. I processed it to a movie only file and plays perfectly in the Oppo.:D

Thanks for the help.

[Ch3vr0n]

Glad I could help :-)

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[mparade]

I'm not sure why it came unticked but it worked perfect lastnight. The full 3D is much better. I processed it to a movie only file and plays perfectly in the Oppo.:D

Thanks for the help.

Other options you might consider in my opinion are:

- full SBS (3840x1080p) output encoded by x265 (if you have a really fast machine and a lot of time) or,

- the same-sized output but encoded by x264.

Just for comparison, my full SBS (x265 reencoded) 3D movies with excellent video quality and 2 pcs of downconverted audio tracks have an output size of around 4 Gbyte...

[Ch3vr0n]

The question there would first have to be if his oppo supports x265.

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[datman]

Other options you might consider in my opinion are:

- full SBS (3840x1080p) output encoded by x265 (if you have a really fast machine and a lot of time) or,

- the same-sized output but encoded by x264.

Just for comparison, my full SBS (x265 reencoded) 3D movies with excellent video quality and 2 pcs of downconverted audio tracks have an output size of around 4 Gbyte...

Just encoding the default full 3D is some big processing!!! I have a pretty good rig AMD 3.1 x8 and it takes about 7-9 hours for a film. Normal encode around 2.5 hours.