AviSynth 2.6.0 [May 31st, 2015] [Archive]

Wilbert

2nd June 2015, 20:53

A few days but 2.6.0 has gone live!

Get AviSynth_260.exe and Avisynth_260_src.zip (https://sourceforge.net/projects/avisynth2/files/AviSynth%202.6/AviSynth%202.6.0/) from Sourceforge. Six years and five months have passed since the last stable release ;) Hopefully the next one will be a bit sooner ...

AviSynth_260.exe is x86 only (so there is no x64 version).

The changelog can be found here (http://sourceforge.net/projects/avisynth2/files/AviSynth%202.6/AviSynth%202.6.0/readme.txt/download). (It's too long to put it in one post, that's why the link.)

Sparktank

2nd June 2015, 21:04

I was pretty excited over the email notice from SourceForge.

Great job for everyone who contributed thus far. :)

Feels like there should be a speech with each stable release.

mastrboy

4th June 2015, 23:13

Off topic, mods should delete if too inappropriate

Those who keep projects on sourceforge should carefully monitor their exe installers, as sourceforge lately injected ad-ware into popular project installers.

Reference material:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/

mariner

5th June 2015, 01:51

Can 2.6 coexist with 2.58?

l33tmeatwad

5th June 2015, 04:05

Can 2.6 coexist with 2.58?Why would you want to do that?

Groucho2004

5th June 2015, 09:42

Can 2.6 coexist with 2.58?
The question is too general.
Could you install both in parallel and have the client application choose between them? No.
You can however switch between Avisynth versions very quickly as described here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=172124).

Unless you have to use a program that demands an older version of Avisynth there is no apparent reason not to use 2.6.

manolito

5th June 2015, 12:43

Could you install both in parallel and have the client application choose between them? No.

Well, in same cases applications can choose between different versions... ;)

I found out about this by pure coincidence. Until recently I was still using AviSynth 2.57 because my good old DVD2SVCD would not show a preview with any newer version.

But now I can use AviSynth 2.60 and still make the DVD2SVCD preview use 2.57. How?

I installed 2.60 normally, AviSynth.dll resides in the System32 folder. Additionally I copied AviSynth.dll 2.57 into the DVD2SVCD root folder. Now the preview (which is done by the DVD2SVCD executable itself) uses the AviSynth.dll it finds in its own folder, while any encoder (which resides in a different folder) uses the installed AviSynth version 2.60. Very nice...

Cheers
manolito

Groucho2004

5th June 2015, 12:51

I installed 2.60 normally, AviSynth.dll resides in the System32 folder. Additionally I copied AviSynth.dll 2.57 into the DVD2SVCD root folder. Now the preview (which is done by the DVD2SVCD executable itself) uses the AviSynth.dll it finds in its own folder, while any encoder (which resides in a different folder) uses the installed AviSynth version 2.60. Very nice...
I was referring to a normal install without any modifications. One install would simply overwrite the other.
Also, some applications load avisynth.dll explicitly from system32/syswow64 so your trick would not work in that case.

qyot27

6th June 2015, 00:01

That's actually not the application choosing to use a different version, that's normal Windows DLL loading behavior (I would assume if the program simply queries the system %PATH% rather than hardcoding a DLL location). Windows itself has a loading hierarchy; it starts with the program's directory, and then moves to the system. Although Windows won't let you override some system DLLs with this method, but it should work for most %PATH%-aware queries (you can also swap avisynth.dll copies in and out of FFmpeg's folder if you need to use different versions there as well - and in its case, yes, it does just query the system by using LoadLibrary(AVISYNTH_LIB)).

I'd mentioned this tactic in some of that discussion in the MKVToolNix thread regarding the idea of substituting Wine DLLs (which turned out to be one of those cases where Windows won't let that work, although DirectX DLLs can be overridden with Wine's).

jmac698

6th June 2015, 09:07

Big news.. congratulations on completing this

8-BaLL

9th June 2015, 20:10

Is there a freaking reason, why the Install Folder which is automatically created, still called Avisynth 2.5?

I mean with the betas and RCs Id understand it, but in the final? Come on...

You know its freaking irritating every single time Im trying to paste something in the folders or work with the plugin paths.

Wilbert

9th June 2015, 20:34

Just uninstall, and enter Avisynth as install folder when doing a fresh install.

foxyshadis

10th June 2015, 08:00

The installer defaults to just %ProgramFiles%\Avisynth now, but for existing installs it'll pick up and continue to use your old folder, as you'd expect. You don't even need to uninstall, just rename it and reinstall with the new folder name.

YamashitaRen

11th June 2015, 13:54

Even better, you can rename the folder and regedit the relevant key :p
(tested on Wine)

StainlessS

11th June 2015, 16:09

Groucho2004

11th June 2015, 16:40

Is there a published machine minimum requirement for v2.6 (or v2.58 for that matter, on windows) ?

It will probably run on a Pentium 1 or even below but who would want to do that? Even masochistic people would run it at least on a P4 / Athlon64.

StainlessS

11th June 2015, 17:42

Thanx Grouchy, had not seen any official requirement post anywhere, suspected P1.
I, is one of them there masochisticals with 3 (or is it 4) P4's and 1 Athlon64.
Thanx for the answer.

Groucho2004

11th June 2015, 18:40

Thanx Grouchy, had not seen any official requirement post anywhere, suspected P1.
I have not found a system requirements statement either.

There are a lot of factors that determine the minimum CPU requirement. Avisynth.dll itself is probably the easiest to please, assuming that there are C/C++ variants for all functions (no MMX/SSE/3DNow only functions).

Once you add external filters, things will change since many plugins are built with newer compilers and these may produce binaries which won't run on ancient CPUs.

I'm not sure about DevIL.dll, the newer versions may require a newer CPU.

StainlessS

11th June 2015, 19:55

Thanx again Grouchy.
Dont want to step over and above what is officially supported by the Avisynth dll, so I guess that may put it about PIII (I think Manolito
and at least one of the devs/contributors to Vapoursynth use PIII), guess I'll just stick with straight CPP and avoid anything non-standard.

Ive got one of those Elonex ONE+ things (300MHz i386 [equivalent], bit faster than my original Pentium I @ 133MHz), but alas not the MIPS variant that
was hacked to install a more open (usable) version of Linux (LLL, The Little Linux Laptop). So I guess there could be some i386/i486's out there running
Windows that could be faster (on paper) than Pentium I (with/without FPU).

I've been targetting XP, is W2K officially supported by AVS ?, also, are there C/CPP variants for all functions ?

Some kind of System Requirement entry could be a good idea on the Wiki, even if it has to be a bit vague.

EDIT:
From AVS+,
Shortcomings compared to Avisynth
- Support for Windows 98/Me/2000 dropped. Oldest supported OS in Windows XP.

From Vapoursynth homesite:
http://www.vapoursynth.com/2012/11/minimum-requirements/
Unfortunately that post was quickly followed by "R25 – Death to Windows XP!":- http://www.vapoursynth.com/2014/11/r25-death-to-windows-xp/

So I guess that rules out my ever trying Vapoursynth :(

innocenat

12th June 2015, 05:20

also, are there C/CPP variants for all functions ?

No. In Avisynth you need at least MMX processor, so minimum is PMMX. Resizer is one of the code that doesn't have C/C++ code, not sure if any other. Avisynth+, however, supports all the way down to 80386 with 80387 coprocessor, 486DX, or 486SX with 487 coprocessor, given than you re-compile it with no ISE, since the official one use SSE for floating point calculation :D

StainlessS

12th June 2015, 08:12

Most informative, thanx innocenat :)

Wilbert

13th June 2015, 14:02

Great stuff guys, lovely to have Officially stable v2.6 :thanks:

Is there a published machine minimum requirement for v2.6 (or v2.58 for that matter, on windows) ?

Also,

from v2.6 docs
Future plans
AviSynth v2.61:
This version will use the free Microsoft compiler. It will be feature identical to 2.60 i.e. Source new syntax changes only!

Has it been decided yet which of the free compilers will be chosen (there are a few of them) ?

Thanxs

v2.61 will have the following features/updates:

support for 2K5, 2K8 and 2K10.
external libraries will be updated and converted to plugins.
convert_a.asm will be converted to softwire.
rewrite exception handling.
bugfixes.

As for your other question. What innocenat said. The resizers, but also layer and mask don't have c/c++ equivalents (they have minimal mmx).

StainlessS

13th June 2015, 14:19

Dank u vel Wilbert :)

RRD

18th June 2015, 10:25

Groucho2004

18th June 2015, 10:54

Is it normal that Version() reports

AviSynth 2.60, build: Mar 31 2015 [16:38:54]
© 2000-2014 Ben Rudiak-Gould, et al.
http://www.avisynth.nl

? While I understand that no recent change was made to AviSynth (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1722669#post1722669), it can be very confusing for users who may think they downloaded an older version.
I'm not sure if it was an oversight or intentional to not rebuild avisynth.dll (and other components) for the release. The problem with the info from "Version()" is that it just uses a couple of compiler macros to reflect the build time and date. The version info is a bit ambiguous to some.

I think the copyright notice should also have been updated to "© 2000-2015 ...".

Wilbert

18th June 2015, 18:54

It was intentional. I understand it might be confusing.

real.finder

28th July 2015, 20:45

I note that DevIL.dll in AviSynth_260.exe is too old

Groucho2004

28th July 2015, 21:07

I note that DevIL.dll in AviSynth_260.exe is too old
Too old for what? You're free to update to v1.78 from here (http://openil.sourceforge.net/download.php), it should be compatible with AVS 2.6. If you do so, use the non-Unicode, 32 Bit version for Windows.

real.finder

28th July 2015, 22:23

Too old for what? You're free to update to v1.78 from here (http://openil.sourceforge.net/download.php), it should be compatible with AVS 2.6. If you do so, use the non-Unicode, 32 Bit version for Windows.

I already did this from years, I mention this for upcoming releases

Groucho2004

28th July 2015, 23:06

I already did this from years, I mention this for upcoming releases
From what I recall, DevIL 1.7.8 was not included because of its dependency on the dreaded msvc*80 DLLs.

Wilbert

29th July 2015, 20:56

From what I recall, DevIL 1.7.8 was not included because of its dependency on the dreaded msvc*80 DLLs.
That's indeed the reason.

Overdrive80

3rd August 2015, 16:58

Hey, I have installed win10 and autoload plugins in avisynth not working now, did you know?

Groucho2004

3rd August 2015, 17:49

Hey, I have installed win10 and autoload plugins in avisynth not working now, did you know?
The detail in your bug report is staggering. :rolleyes:

Clean Win10 install or upgrade? If upgrade, did you (have to) re-install Avisynth?
With which software are you testing this and are there any error messages? Did you check the registry for the auto-load directory pointer ("PluginDir2_5" in Software/Avisynth in HKCU or HKLM)?

Overdrive80

3rd August 2015, 21:35

The detail in your bug report is staggering. :rolleyes:

Clean Win10 install or upgrade? If upgrade, did you (have to) re-install Avisynth?
With which software are you testing this and are there any error messages? Did you check the registry for the auto-load directory pointer ("PluginDir2_5" in Software/Avisynth in HKCU or HKLM)?

Really its not bug report but you are right.

I upgrade from win7. I have reinstalled avisynth. I have testing with vdub. No, I dont check registry, could you put complete direction for creating reg file??

Thanks, bro.

Groucho2004

3rd August 2015, 21:45

No, I dont check registry, could you put complete direction for creating reg file??
:confused:
The installer is supposed to write the reg entry. Just check if it's there.

Overdrive80

4th August 2015, 07:52

Groucho2004

4th August 2015, 08:06

Keys registry was missing. I solved with:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\AviSynth]
@="C:\\Program Files (x86)\\AviSynth 2.5\\plugins"
"plugindir2_5"="C:\\Program Files (x86)\\AviSynth 2.5\\plugins"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\AviSynth]
@="C:\\Program Files (x86)\\AviSynth 2.5"
"plugindir2_5"="C:\\Program Files (x86)\\AviSynth 2.5\\plugins"

Thanks and apologize for disturbing. :thanks:
As I mentioned, the installer should have written this entry. It seems that you (or rather the installer) did not have sufficient rights to write it. I think you need admin rights to write to HKLM.

Overdrive80

4th August 2015, 08:19

As I mentioned, the installer should have written this entry. It seems that you (or rather the installer) did not have sufficient rights to write it. I think you need admin rights to write to HKLM.

I ever execute with admin rights if fails. --

kuchikirukia

9th August 2015, 03:36

Reasonable speedup in QTGMC. 12.23fps --> 13.03 in AVSMeter on this 480p source. Xeon X3450, Win10. Though I get exactly the same in 2.6MT single-threaded.

Groucho2004

9th August 2015, 08:11

Reasonable speedup in QTGMC. 12.23fps --> 13.03 in AVSMeter on this 480p source. Xeon X3450, Win10.
What exactly did you compare?

Though I get exactly the same in 2.6MT single-threaded.
Which is to be expected:
4. Short guide to SetMTMode
SetMTMode is the command that switches Avisynth into MT mode. Without it MT Avisynth works like the usual one.

RRD

9th August 2015, 11:40

I installed AviSynth 2.6.0 [May 31st, 2015], three files were created in the /AviSynth/plugins folder:
http://abload.de/img/avisynth_2.6.0_201505uysej.png (http://abload.de/img/avisynth_2.6.0_201505uysej.png)

Whenever I try to use SoundOut() I get “Script error: there is no function named "SoundOut"”.

I downloaded Wilbert's SoundOut26-1.1.1.zip (http://www.wilbertdijkhof.com/SoundOut26-1.1.1.zip) (that he posted in http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1654982&postcount=185). If I put SoundOut.dll and libsndfile-1.dll in the /AviSynth/plugins folder, SoundOut() works.

Several pages indicate that the SoundOut plugin is included in AviSynth from 2.6.0 on (http://avisynth.nl/index.php/SoundOut), so I believe the behaviour I am experiencing is not normal.

Oddly, it is not mentioned in the 2.6.0 changelog (AviSynth/Docs/English/changelist26.htm file).

The same issue occurred on my two PCs (Windows 7 32-bit and Windows 7 64-bit) and I fail to see what I did wrong.

Groucho2004

9th August 2015, 13:27

Several pages indicate that the SoundOut plugin is included in AviSynth from 2.6.0 on (http://avisynth.nl/index.php/SoundOut), so I believe the behaviour I am experiencing is not normal.
Oddly, it is not mentioned in the 2.6.0 changelog
All I can tell you is that SoundOut is not part of the Avisynth core no matter what is written on some pages.
The change log is the most reliable source.

Wilbert

9th August 2015, 15:45

Yes it's not part of the core yet, i will update the documentation.

ryrynz

15th August 2015, 03:18

Wilbert, using ffdshow and Avisynth 2.6 with Tritical's NNEDI3 using the following syntax

nnedi3_rpow2(rfactor=2)

is causing display issues (interlaced, stretched and wrong colors) in the media player MPDN, this issue does not occur with MPC so the developer thinks it's related to to memory corruption which .NET is quite strict on. I haven't encountered any issues using any other filters in MPDN with ffdshow.

Any chance I could get you track down where the issue lies?

The only thing that seems to affect it is setting RGB out in ffdshow, this changes the colors to match the original frames.

This issue occurs also with Avisynth MT and jpsdr's NNEDI3.
Cheers.

hello_hello

15th August 2015, 07:44

The only thing that seems to affect it is setting RGB out in ffdshow, this changes the colors to match the original frames.

I don't know about the stretching, but I've found (using XP) that MPC-HC uses the wrong colorimetry for HD video (rec.601) when opening Avisynth scripts, unless ffdshow's raw video decoder is enabled in which case it displays using rec.709. I don't understand why, but a different set of filters is used.

With ffdshow's raw video decoder enabled (for YUV):
AVI/wav file source
ffdshow video decoder
WMR9 (renderless)

With ffdshow's raw video decoder disabled:
AVI/wav file source
AVI decompressor (YV12)
colour space converter
WMR9 (renderless)

In the second case I assume the colour space converter is converting to RGB using the wrong colorimetry.

Groucho2004

15th August 2015, 08:47

causing display issues (interlaced, stretched and wrong colors) in the media player MPDN, this issue does not occur with MPC so the developer thinks it's related to to memory corruption
I can't follow the logic here. How does this point to Avisynth being the cause?

You should start with the most likely candidates for this problem,
- player/renderer
- ffdshow

Have you tried with AVS+?

Groucho2004

15th August 2015, 08:48

I don't know about the stretching, but I've found (using XP) that MPC-HC uses the wrong colorimetry for HD video (rec.601) when opening Avisynth scripts, unless ffdshow's raw video decoder is enabled in which case it displays using rec.709. I don't understand why, but a different set of filters is used.
Why is this in the Avisynth thread?

ryrynz

15th August 2015, 13:30

I can't follow the logic here. How does this point to Avisynth being the cause?

You should start with the most likely candidates for this problem,
- player/renderer
- ffdshow

Have you tried with AVS+?

The logic is to start where you think someone can help :)

Player - I've already asked as above, perhaps his conclusion could be wrong, IDK, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Renderer - No options to switch renderer in MPDN, but I've already tried all the options for output. Either I get no image or a distorted one.
ffdshow - no dev, no help. Again I've already looked at all the options, no difference.

Yes, same issue with AVS+ too (1576) Also occurs on my Intel graphics system running 7 (the other is running 10 with a 750Ti) so it's not related to any Windows version or graphics card drivers.

It would be quite simple to replicate, just need someone who can determine what's causing it and my first thought was Wilbert. Any help is appreciated.

Groucho2004

15th August 2015, 14:01

The logic is to start where you think someone can help :)

Player - I've already asked as above, perhaps his conclusion could be wrong, IDK, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Renderer - No options to switch renderer in MPDN, but I've already tried all the options for output. Either I get no image or a distorted one.
ffdshow - no dev, no help. Again I've already looked at all the options, no difference.

Yes, same issue with AVS+ too (1576) Also occurs on my Intel graphics system running 7 (the other is running 10 with a 750Ti) so it's not related to any Windows version or graphics card drivers.

It would be quite simple to replicate, just need someone who can determine what's causing it and my first thought was Wilbert. Any help is appreciated.
OK. All Avisynth versions show the same behaviour. I'm quite certain that you can rule out Avisynth.
You mentioned MPC, I would try MPC-HC and/or MPC-BE (or any other suitable player you can think of). If your problem doesn't show up with those I think you have found your culprit.

Edit: One more thing you could try is setting the internal number of threads to 1 in nnedi3.

ryrynz

15th August 2015, 14:29

OK. All Avisynth versions show the same behaviour. I'm quite certain that you can rule out Avisynth.
You mentioned MPC, I would try MPC-HC and/or MPC-BE (or any other suitable player you can think of). If your problem doesn't show up with those I think you have found your culprit.

No issues with HC, BE, Zoomplayer or Potplayer. Guess I'll need Zach to look into it further.. I do wonder though what's different about the output of NNEDI3 that causes this to happen. I've had no issues with any other filters.