Doom Demographics, part I: Location [Archive]

macdaddy

16th February 2002, 17:35

I live in the US, and have already voted, but I can't believe you left off an entire continent, esp. one that is populated (leaving Antartica off the list is understandable-albeit not thorough)...

Great idea, but add Australia-I think some of the heavy-hitters in here (like -h) are from that part of the world, and they would probably like to be counted...

Doom9

16th February 2002, 17:48

the whole oceania is there now (is that the right term btw?)

ChristianHJW

16th February 2002, 21:30

Great idea this poll ... curious about its outcome ...

rmatei

16th February 2002, 22:03

I really did leave it off? What the heck? I'm 90% sure I put "Australia & Pacific islands" there... :rolleyes:
But oh well, keep voting. :)

Gren

17th February 2002, 05:17

sweet! OZZIE! OZZIE! OZZIE!

Scuba

17th February 2002, 14:14

I'd seperate Israel from the rest of the middle east :rolleyes:

KoVaR

17th February 2002, 15:20

blah
Im from poland
what should i chose ?
other countries ?
eastern ?

damn
when will ppl stop divide europ for "normal" and "eastern" ?
theres one europe!
and why are germany france and uk separate ??
are these countires any better or special ?

very stupid vote :( :( :(

ppera2

17th February 2002, 15:27

I must tell that this segregation of Europe is at least very stupid.
What are that 3 'big' countries so special ?
Why not Scandinavia as choice, why not Balkan ? Why not Lichtenstein ?

Doom9

17th February 2002, 15:27

poland qualifies as eastern europe I would say. Why stupid poll? Germany, France and the UK are the biggest EU countries, and from my server logs I can already tell that there's much more people from these countries than from poland. I don't think anybody would want to slighten any country. The distinction between eastern europe and western europe is just a geographic one. It's pretty much the same as east coast and west coast in the US..
and the disctinction between EU and non EU countries in Europe is a political one. You know I don't like to discuss my location, but those of you who know where I'm from can tell you that I might just have my own objections to this poll, and you can't list every country after all, can you? It always is a compromise.

ppera2

17th February 2002, 17:23

Italy is almost same big as France or UK.

Olebrumm71

18th February 2002, 10:02

Actually the poll is "incomplete".

I for instance live in Norway and can therefore not make a correct vote in the poll, simply because NONE of the categories are correct for me.

'Other EU countries' does NOT apply to Norway, since Norway is not part of the European Union.

Makes me wonder about the origin of the person who created the categories in the poll in the first place....

BlackSun

18th February 2002, 10:24

Reunion Island

rmatei

18th February 2002, 10:42

As you guys may or may not know, there is a maximum of 10 options on polls. You just have to draw a line somewhere! As doom said, the UK and Germany are not only among the biggest European countries, but also some of the most represented on the forum. (Doom, I'm sorry, but your country isn't exactly a massively populated superpower. Can't list everything.)

And it's just a geographical separation between Eastern Europe and Western Europe. I never meant by putting "Other EU countries" that they were somehow superior to non-EU European countries. I only put that because I thought it was clearer than saying "other Western European countries". Although I guess I should have: I am guilty as charged about this omitting Switzerland and Norway, which I didn't think of.

ppera, those countries aren't special, but again, you have to draw a line. I think I'm right when I say there are more Germans than Yugoslavians here, right? And maybe it will end stupid East - West debates when I say I'm Romanian? Of course I want my country to become more integrated with the EU and Western Europe, but that doesn't mean that we should deny any differences!

And maybe I should have separated Asia too, because it's so big? I'm sure the Indians and Pakistani, or the Indonesians and those from East Timor would be offended by the mere thought that they're in the same geographical region? Lighten up, people. Either way I would've done this I would've offended somebody.

ChristianHJW

18th February 2002, 12:09

I agree with rmatei, come on guys stop this kind of jealousy, we're no little kids here !!

But : No French people here ???? The French are a video encoding super-power ... there mus be some browsing here from time to time, although i know they have very good encoding sites in French language there ...

KoVaR

18th February 2002, 12:43

@ rmatei

you said that thers only 10 options in poll
but you dont need 10

make a simple vote
CHOSE YOUR CONTINENT

and everyone would be happy

MaTTeR

18th February 2002, 17:32

Originally posted by Scuba
I'd seperate Israel from the rest of the middle east :rolleyes:

Uhmm yeah...good point;)

dvd2svcd

18th February 2002, 17:33

@Olebrumm71:

What a stupid argument! Norway is part of europe. This poll has nothing to do with any membership of the EU. This poll is intended for locations and nothing else. So what you're saying is, when they created the EU they just shrunk the continent, huh?!?

It should go without saying that in this poll EU = Europe as a continent, not as the Union.

(By the way, Spain is pretty big too).

movmasty

21st February 2002, 09:15

well, let me put the nose here......
i see that a simple statistic poolcan be the origin to many polemics
but
world is strange
e.g. oceania is a continent, but has half the population of spain
africa is too,and more than 600millions there, but i bet ppl from swiss is more........
israel IS in the middle east,but,as hamas says,should be took off....
and what about the country of Napoleon??????
China has 60 times the population of oceania,but isnt here, and if were here i guess very few ppl from there.
japan is not as big as china, but has as many ppl as germany+france,and i bet there are more japanese than french here, and it is always the most advanced country in the world....

to conclude, i just wanted to know one thing.......
that is......

BUT REALLY OOKAMI ISNT FROM JAPAN ????? :D

[Toff]

21st February 2002, 09:25

I'm the only one from France !
99 votes ATM / 529 views
Hey ! Where are the others ???

BlackSun

21st February 2002, 10:03

But : No French people here ???? The French are a video encoding super-power ... there mus be some browsing here from time to time, although i know they have very good encoding sites in French language there ...

French people don't really like to speak in english, of course there are some exception (like me and my sucking english :p ).
French scene is pretty big, but the German's one also !!

Gren

21st February 2002, 10:03

well, here's an interesting point for all the people on the other side of the planet -
Oceania is not a continent - it is the term used to refer to Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea and all other surrounding countries (I think as far as Fiji).

Whilst on the subjects of continents, Australia is a continent - land mass wise - not population wise. Yes the people to land ratio is like one person for every 600 square metres so we all have very big yards (front yard and back yard - jealous? well try doing the lawn :) )

and i think every one should quit there bitchin about this poll - oh i think this country should be on its own and how come france/uk/germany are on there own?! it's because there are heaps of people there!

BlackSun

21st February 2002, 10:09

Now we are 2 french ;)

Ookami

21st February 2002, 14:12

@movmasty-san

Hai. ;)

Originally posted by movmasty
to conclude, i just wanted to know one thing.......
that is......

BUT REALLY OOKAMI ISNT FROM JAPAN ????? :D

ppera2

21st February 2002, 15:41

Originally posted by movmasty
well, let me put the nose here......

BUT REALLY OOKAMI ISNT FROM JAPAN ????? :D

Yeah... when it would be 'Serbia until Tokio' :D .

duartix

21st February 2002, 16:15

...Europe Ununited as we can easily see in these posts.
Someone was talking abut Napoleon, well he used to say: Divide to conquer! Thats very obvious, it's still working and gets the job done, like my Artificial Inteligence teachers were always praying.

Were it not for this and we could see how the USA and Canada were misrepresented (not to say ass kicked) in this poll...
Yes gentlemen, war as been declared! :) :)

By the way the European union is now refered to as CE, formerly known as CEE, not EU, as someone as also put it (rmatei I believe).

Ookami

21st February 2002, 18:16

For someone that is nitpicking you have very little knowledge about geography (or just reading the word after "Location"). Or do you support... Oops. I almost got into politics.

In short... In my case you should write (if you want that your joke is correct):

"Yeah... when it would be 'Croatia until Tokio' :D ."

Whatever...

All the best,

Ookie.

Originally posted by ppera2

Yeah... when it would be 'Serbia until Tokio' :D .

c0p0n

21st February 2002, 19:01

Originally posted by dvd2svcd
@Olebrumm71:
(By the way, Spain is pretty big too).

for sure!

ppera2

21st February 2002, 23:11

Originally posted by Ookami
For someone that is nitpicking you have very little knowledge about geography (or just reading the word after "Location"). Or do you support... Oops. I almost got into politics.

In short... In my case you should write (if you want that your joke is correct):

"Yeah... when it would be 'Croatia until Tokio' :D ."

Yes, I nitpicking because I don't like how poll author divided it - not just for Europe.

Correctness ? Support... I know what you thought. Do you think that such person would put such joke here ?

Fact is that I myself thought first time you (Ookami) is Jap.. until looked little left :p .

And now you are nitpicking :D .

movmasty

22nd February 2002, 06:54

Originally posted by Gren
Oceania is not a continent - it is the term used to refer to Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea and all other surrounding countries (I think as far as Fiji).
Whilst on the subjects of continents, Australia is a continent

"How the F*** did you work that out?" - Pythagoras, 126 B.C.

Oceania IS a continent, Aus is a country
Oceania includes also New Zeland( that isnt in asia or america...),Tasman and many pacific isles
dont think Papua New Guinea, that should be included in Asia.

Pythagoras lived around 500 bc !

and....i forgot a very very important thing!

rmatei, SEE TO INCLUDE THE STATE OF VATICAN IN YOUR LIST, would be better for your healt..........

Gren

22nd February 2002, 14:39

australia is the world's smallest continent (greenland is the world's largest island)

asia
north america
south america
europe
antarctica
australia

those are the world's continents - just consult any geography book pulished after Captain Cook and it will say that.

further proof:
"....officially Commonwealth of Australia, the smallest continent and one of the largest countries on Earth...."
Encyclopaedia Britanica Article
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=119613&tocid=0&query=world%27s%20smallest%20continent

also with regard to oceania:
"..collective name for the islands scattered throughout most of the Pacific Ocean. The term, in its widest sense, embraces the entire insular region between Asia and the Americas."
Encyclopaedia Britanica Article
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=58114&tocid=0&query=oceania

with regards to the pythagoras thing - yes well it's a shame for a mathematician to admit but i can't remember when pythagoras was around however, i do agree with u - 126 BC sounds off

so, in conclusion let me just say:
Australia is a continent AND a country, oceania is neither and we won Gold in the 1000m Men's Speed Skating in True Blue fashion (fair and square). :D

Ookami

22nd February 2002, 15:04

@ppera2

I did wrote a very long reply, but I deleted it all :) .

Feel free to think what you want, but you can't post what you want on this forum.

Re-read the forum rules #2 and #4.

Cheers,

Ookie.

ppera2

22nd February 2002, 16:03

@Ookami

Sorry if you feel insulted in some way.
I just wanted to point that you are from country neighbour to Serbia.
But it looks that it was too hard even for you, who knows region. Actually it should insult those people who had such ideology - we all know what are results of all it. I could write lot about it, of course it's not the place.

I don't see that I wrote something against forum rulez, if you don't think that complaining against poll's way is that.

This poll showed us how people is very sensitive about nationality/geographic things. And unfortunatelly also how people badly know geography.

And I expected more vote from East Europe :confused:

Mozart

22nd February 2002, 17:01

@gren

It seems that some political interests had forced the change of status of your country. In any gegraphical atlas printed at least before 1988 (that was my last contact with a gegraphical atlas:D )Australia IS a big ISLAND which belongs to a continent called OCEANIA. Even the very popular game of strategy called "war" uses this definition.

As far as I can see, the definition of a Continent is vague, inprecise and plenty of political interventions.
For example: Why north america, central america and south america aren't only one continent (which should be called just "america")? Why europe + asia instead of just "eurasia"?

btw:Where is "africa" in your list of continents?

Ookami

22nd February 2002, 21:09

Er, it seems that I have reacted too sensible, but it isn't hard to act too sensible after all that happened in this area...

No need to apologize, I've misunderstood the purpose of your post and because of that I pointed to you the rule 2 and 4. I apologize that you felt for apologizing, LOL .

This is really not the place to talk about politics (aside that I don't like to talk about it on the net).

To the eastern Europe thingy :D . Well, it shows that most of the people don't like to be in it ;) . Altough I put my vote there :) .

Now I'm going to watch some hockey, wohooo...

Cheers,

Mijo.

Originally posted by ppera2
@Ookami

Sorry if you feel insulted in some way.
I just wanted to point that you are from country neighbour to Serbia.
But it looks that it was too hard even for you, who knows region. Actually it should insult those people who had such ideology - we all know what are results of all it. I could write lot about it, of course it's not the place.

I don't see that I wrote something against forum rulez, if you don't think that complaining against poll's way is that.

This poll showed us how people is very sensitive about nationality/geographic things. And unfortunatelly also how people badly know geography.

And I expected more vote from East Europe :confused:

Gren

23rd February 2002, 03:24

@Mozart

yes mozart - i can see your point. i too at first doubted that australia was a continent & a country (how can this be?) but i just succumbed to what i was taught. after doing geography for the past five years, countless assignments and just general reading - i believe that Australia is now considered a continent/country. Also from what i have seen, Oceania is popularly used to refer to the countries and islands from Asia to America.

With regards to Africa, yes my bad - pobody's nerfect :D