DVDrebuilder or BDrebuilder

[TatanScorp]

I have been backing up DVD's for 7 years now and have a large collection. I have been using DVDrebuiler with ProCoder-2 and my DVD-R's look great on my calibrated Samsung 51" plasma. I was thinking of trying BDrebuilder on Bluray's set to alternate ouput set to DVD-5 720x480. Will the resulting burnt DVD-R look better then what I have been doing? I ask cause I'm thinking on buying a BenQ 1070 projection system onto a 120" screen.

Thanks

[RobertM]

You're kidding, right? You're going to convert BD discs to DVD format and display them on a 120" screen? Why, on earth, would you not keep them in 1080p format?

I don't really mean to be flip or aggressive, but what you are proposing makes no sense at all to me.

[TatanScorp]

Like I said I've been doing DVD's for seven years and have 10 high end upconverting DVD players and lots of blank DVD-R's. I come from an era when VHS was the rage and everybody owned a black and white TV, and it took me awhile to switch to DVD. I switched cause of the dramatic better picture DVD's produced then VHS, but DVD to Bluray doesn't really impress me that much. I just want to know if one way or the other will produce a better picture.

[CV91913]

Like I said I've been doing DVD's for seven years and have 10 high end upconverting DVD players and lots of blank DVD-R's. I come from an era when VHS was the rage and everybody owned a black and white TV, and it took me awhile to switch to DVD. I switched cause of the dramatic better picture DVD's produced then VHS, but DVD to Bluray doesn't really impress me that much. I just want to know if one way or the other will produce a better picture.
If I understand you, you don't own a Bluray player and don't intend to get one. I think what you are proposing is a waste of time and money for no gain in picture quality. Reducing the bitrate and resolution of a Bluray to confirm to DVD standard is not going to buy you anything over a standard DVD. Am I missing something?

[TatanScorp]

No your not missing anything. I don't have a Bluray player or a Bluray burner or any blank Bluray disks but have all the Dvd stuff. What got me thinking is the Read me file that comes with BDrebuilder.
"7. How good will it look? My experience is that rebuilding to a dual-layer DVD+R results in a backup
that is virtually indistinguishable to the original. DVD-5's will work fine for movie-only encodes...
and some full discs. My advice is to try it and see." I guess that might be referring to Bluray compliant encodes.

[RobertM]

"7. How good will it look? My experience is that rebuilding to a dual-layer DVD+R results in a backup that is virtually indistinguishable to the original.

Right. But that's rebuilding to BD-9, not DVD-DL. So you keep the BD format (1080p) but scrunch it down to fit on a 9GB optical disc. That's not the same thing as saving it to a Dual layer DVD format (480p).

My suggestion; Buy a BD burner and BD player; they're pretty cheap now. And keep using your DVD-DL discs, but tell BD-RB to save it to BD-9. It won't be quite as good as BD-25, but close, and much better than 480p.

BD-9 will have about 4x the resolution of DVD-DL. Might not be noticeable on a small screen like 32", but it will be significant on your 120" screen.

[CV91913]

I see. That readme entry is referring to creating an AVCHD DVD5 or DVD9. They can only be played on a Bluray player that supports AVCHD. It maintains the resolution of the Bluray and reduces the bitrate to allow it to fit on a DVD. I don't know of a standard DVD player that supports AVCHD, but, I could be wrong.

[Sharc]

.....I have been using DVDrebuiler with ProCoder-2 and my DVD-R's look great on my calibrated Samsung 51" plasma. I was thinking of trying BDrebuilder on Bluray's set to alternate ouput set to DVD-5 720x480. Will the resulting burnt DVD-R look better then what I have been doing? ......

From my experience: The result will be at least as good and usually even better. Why?
Because your source is now a high quality Blu-ray which comes with less artifacts compared to former mpeg-2 DVDs which all have noticeable compression artefacts.
As long as you don't have a Blu-ray burner and Blu-ray player, producing DVD's from Blu-ray sources is definitely an option. BD-RB uses HCenc as encoding engine which is comparable to Procoder. The only drawback compared to DVD-Rebuilder is that you can only produce movie-only backups. Means the DVD menu and extras will be lost.

[jdobbs]

I have been backing up DVD's for 7 years now and have a large collection. I have been using DVDrebuiler with ProCoder-2 and my DVD-R's look great on my calibrated Samsung 51" plasma. I was thinking of trying BDrebuilder on Bluray's set to alternate ouput set to DVD-5 720x480. Will the resulting burnt DVD-R look better then what I have been doing? I ask cause I'm thinking on buying a BenQ 1070 projection system onto a 120" screen.

ThanksI would suggest you get a BD player and replace the DVD player on your system. You can get a good one for about $50-60. It will play all your existing DVDs -- and it will also play BD-5/9. That way you can backup blu-rays to your existing blank DVD discs, but still keep the high-resolution. They will DEFINITELY look better than your DVDs because of the H.264 encoding, even if you decided to reencode them to 720x480 rather than keep HD.

On a 120" screen you will see the difference between HD and SD much more clearly, and it would be a shame to waste it. Just make sure you use either component or HDMI output to the display rather than composite, so the difference shows.

[Sharc]

I would suggest you get a BD player ......
Not to forget to get a BD burner as well .... ;-)

[laserfan]

They will DEFINITELY look better than your DVDs because of the H.264 encoding, even if you decided to reencode them to 720x480 rather than keep HD.

Maybe we scared the OP off but I would say that apart from moving from DVD to BD hardware-wise, which is the right thing to do, if a DVD is made (down-rezzed) from a BD original it is very (very) likely to look Much Better than the commercial release DVD of the same program. Better source for the BD equals better result regardless of how it's been processed-down.

[jdobbs]

Not to forget to get a BD burner as well .... ;-)Sure, I'd recommend that. But, if his plan is to burn to BD-5/9 -- he wouldn't necessarily need it.

[Sharc]

Sure, I'd recommend that. But, if his plan is to burn to BD-5/9 -- he wouldn't necessarily need it.
Ah yes, I wiped this from my memory probably because my newer LG and Samsung spit all my BD-5/9 which include a menu out, so I have to re-author these as movie only dropping the menus, or burn to BD25. Bad luck. My old Sony did not have this problem.

[RobertM]

True, but he does need to be able to READ BluRay discs on his computer. I hope he's not considering buying a BD-ROM drive!

Sure, I'd recommend that. But, if his plan is to burn to BD-5/9 -- he wouldn't necessarily need it.

[jdobbs]

True, but he does need to be able to READ BluRay discs on his computer. I hope he's not considering buying a BD-ROM drive!Good point!

[TatanScorp]

Panasonic DMP-BD89 Blu-Ray Player will this player play disks produced with BD_rebuilder? BD-R25 disks and BD-5/9's?

[jdobbs]

Definitely BD-25, not sure about BD-5/9. It likely will, though, if it says it supports AVCHD.

[TatanScorp]

I was reading more and decided maybe the LG BP540 might be better at playing everything. Is it true that LTH Verbatim BD-25 disks are inferior to the Non-LTH diskis? just trying to get stuff that will play BDrebuilder encoded disks the best.
You guys are a bad influence first I gave up VHS for DVD and now going to try BD-25 Blu-ray. Seems like the BD-25 disks are the same price as DVD-DL

[wakko709]

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[02/22/15] BD Rebuilder v0.50.04
[12:08:13] Source: UNDER_THE_DOME_SEASON_2_DISC_2
- Input BD size: 33.37 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:46:42.784]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Auto Quality: Good (Very Fast), ABR
- Decoding/Frame serving: X264/LAVF
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[12:08:22] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [12:08:22] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 5)
- [12:08:22] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- Extracting video streams [VID_00000]
- Extracting audio streams [VID_00000]
- [12:38:06] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 57,251 frames
- Bitrate: 17,159 Kbs
- [12:38:06] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 1
- Encode failed. Aborting.
- BD-Rebuilder v0.50.04
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Working Path Free Space: 100.08GB
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- AnyDVD settings check: Ok.
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
- FRIMEncode: Ok
- FRIMDecode: Ok
[12:38:11] - Failed video encode, aborted

[RobertM]

Is it true that LTH Verbatim BD-25 disks are inferior to the Non-LTH disks?

I would say that's the consensus, yes.

I use nothing but Verbatim 97339. They are printable BD 25GB discs, about $1 per disc. Never a problem. Amazon is a good source, or B&H Photo Video is great too.

[Sharc]

I was reading more and decided maybe the LG BP540 might be better at playing everything. .....
I don't know about the LG BP540. My BP440 rejects BD-5/9 with menus. However it plays "movie-only" productions without any problems as AVCHD.

[jdobbs]

@wakko709

Please review rule #8.

[bluesnow]

I was reading more and decided maybe the LG BP540 might be better at playing everything. Is it true that LTH Verbatim BD-25 disks are inferior to the Non-LTH diskis? just trying to get stuff that will play BDrebuilder encoded disks the best.
You guys are a bad influence first I gave up VHS for DVD and now going to try BD-25 Blu-ray. Seems like the BD-25 disks are the same price as DVD-DL

I've been using Taiyo Yuden LTH discs for a while now. I have about 50 movies on them. The ONLY issue I ever had was in the beginning when I saw a recommendation that I burn them at 1X speed. I did a few this way using ImageBurn and they would never verify and I couldn't read them back on my PC. They played fine on my LG and Sony blu-ray players though. Then one day when I went to burn one I forgot to set the burn speed back to 1X (it was on Max) and the disc verified OK. I've since burned 45 or so at max speed and every one has verified fine. My burner is an LG WH16NS40 (16X). I've never had one that wouldn't play. Both my players though specify "LTH compatible" in the docs.

[bluesnow]

I've been using Taiyo Yuden LTH discs for a while now. I have about 50 movies on them. The ONLY issue I ever had was in the beginning when I saw a recommendation that I burn them at 1X speed. I did a few this way using ImageBurn and they would never verify and I couldn't read them back on my PC. They played fine on my LG and Sony blu-ray players though. Then one day when I went to burn one I forgot to set the burn speed back to 1X (it was on Max) and the disc verified OK. I've since burned 45 or so at max speed and every one has verified fine. My burner is an LG WH16NS40 (16X). I've never had one that wouldn't play. Both my players though specify "LTH compatible" in the docs.

I didn't mention that my player model numbers are LG-BD630C and Sony-BDP-S550.