Winding down BD Rebuilder support

[gonca]

Maybe you should consider basic free version and a pro version for the end of beta. Present features for the pro and a reduced feature set for the free version.
Sorry for the OT

[jdobbs]

To the few people who have donated multiple times: Don't misinterpret this as another call for a hand-out. You folks have done way more than your fair share. There are about 10 people who combined have donated more than the totality of the remaining thousands who use BD-RB. I really, really appreciate your support, but it's wrong that a few people carry the load for those who would take advantage of you.

It is likely this project will soon be coming to an end. The beta-timeout will be gone in the next release. I may consider a "Pro" version at some point in the future, but I'm not planning it right now. This will almost certainly be my last "voluntary donation" based project. It's not a business model I recommend to anyone. I'm not whining -- the decision to go this way was mine, and so is the fault for its failure. I continued it out of a sense of pride for most of its existence... but let's face it, you can't eat pride. I need to move on to something that will help me provide for my family.

Thanks to all the forum regulars who have helped with development and debugging. Your contributions are truly appreciated.

[jdobbs]

Maybe you should consider basic free version and a pro version for the end of beta. Present features for the pro and a reduced feature set for the free version.
Sorry for the OTUnfortunately it may be too late for that. It already does almost everything I'd envisioned for it. I'd have to remove features from the freeware version -- and that's just not fair to the people who have become accustomed to using it.

[gonca]

Fairness is a two way street. You are trying to be fair but the other side isn't trying to hard.
If people take for granted the effort and expense you put into this project, I think that my idea is quite fair.

[Ch3vr0n]

I donated once or twice I think but my own financial issues that have been going on for 2y now don't allow me to do more. Something I did tell you in a few PMS I sent you when you added certain features I and others asked for and received. You could go another route, and release a donated version that you continue to update when needed. And when a donated user makes a feature request you could add it to the donate only version. I'm just thinking out loud here. I'd defo go the donate route. You definitely deserve it as the product allows me to do what I want. Full disc backups with blanking stuff, and full disc 3d backup as a bonus. Something I didn't expect at all until you announced it yourself after looking through the bd standard. I really hope you will continue to support it (at least bug report wise, maybe no more new features), but I do understand your financial motivation.

For now I can only offer you my utlosty gratitude for even make such an outstanding program!

I have one question though. Has blanking become stable enough to combine with 3d, you did say when you added 3d it was not recommended.

One more suggestion to if you do pull the beta timer too, AFAIK blanking itself does also still require enable_test=1 & enable_blanking=1 hidden settings. Perhaps remove the hidden settings and make it available through the program settings.

**edit** I do think the pro version is good to with revoking certain things from free, one such feature could be 3D processing for pro only

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[Lathe]

Uh oh...

Why do I feel depressed now... :(

Well, if I may please make a lowly and wretched suggestion. Is it feasible somehow to set up BDRB so that it is a low cost subscription service? What I mean is, to me anyway, it's a TOTAL no-brainer if say it cost $5 / month to use BDRB. No sweat. Sooooo, then, all these hundreds of people who may really like and want to use the program, if each one simply paid $5 / month, shouldn't that be fairly painless for everyone here...? (I say that because probably I am likely THE lowest earner here :) ) then, think about it... if even only 100 people continued using the program, that is $500 / month my dear sir. Would that be incentive enough for you to keep doing your much appreciated 'Thing' here?

What do you think...? :)

"I'd by that for a dollar!"

[Samson777]

"I'd by that for a dollar!"

You missed a "u" in buy.

[Ch3vr0n]

Subscription based is a no go for me budget wise, I'd rather see the normal 'pro' mode

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[Lathe]

Subscription based is a no go for me budget wise, I'd rather see the normal 'pro' mode

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Really...??? Wow, I thought I was pretty poor :) But $5 a month, really...? Even it you had to pay something similar to AnyDVD which is like, what, $60-100, you would rather pay that all at once rather than simply pay a forgettable $5 a month?

Hmmm... I guess I just don't get the logic. BUT, I certainly respect whatever your personal perspective may be.

BUT... think of JDobbs... Wouldnt it be REALLY nice for him to be getting at least a few hundred dollars a month, $5 from each of us his loyal and very appreciative minions (not really the word I wanted, but I couldn't think of one :) )

I think what he has produced and more importantly will continue to work on, THIS, I would think, is easily worth that to anyone here, at least in my abased and lowly opinion. As poor as I am (I've only sent JDobbs like 2 or 3 donations of $10 so far - I sure hope he got them...) I would GLADLY continue paying a completely painless $5 a month in perpetuity, $60 a year, for THIS program. Absolutely! Maybe after the first year, that could lower to $2 / month, I don't know. At least for me personally, that would be INFINITELY easier than having to cough up a large amount at once. But, I would sign up for $5 a month without any hesitation, and I THINK pretty strongly, that most people could do that no matter HOW poor they are, rather than have to come up with a large amount at once. At least for a year so that JDobbs could have a guaranteed flow of income for that period of time and have a strong incentive to keep working on it.

And besides, shouldn't we be sending that much to him anyway in little donations throughout all this time that he is working on it...??? Shouldn't we be doing that now anyway? What's the difference, EXCEPT that it would provide a nice REGULAR income for JDobbs?

And yes, I WOULD definitely "buy that for a dollar!" :D

[AmigaFuture]

JDobbs... I get your point. I think some have missed it. I don't feel guilt(ed) to pay or support you. I let go of that "stuff" a long time go. I support you from the same like-minded-passion, and have talked with others about your program and passion. I've supported though selfish reasons, because of a common interest. Many people have been taught Selfish as a bad thing. I don't! When others come together for selfish reasons, there's a commonness that grows. We then support each other. Self-centered/absorbed, that's different...and often don't care about the maker or programmer, or grower of...whatever unless clued-in somehow; and don't tend to think about compassion and joint interests in a passionate...connecting way.
I'm not a liker of subscriptions.. But...some...I get it. AnyDVD (HD)...CloneDVD 2... Heh! Yep, I still get DVDs. Yet, I still very much support the Shareware idea from the 80's!! It's not a doubt that programs become...yeah, you know. I don't agree with the Freeware/Pro version. Too much editing...removing on your part. I've done some programming and know others, too... Not fun for a programmer. Shareware, is still pretty cool...nothing is crippled. I've talked with plenty of "customers" who've asked me about supporting good Software. "You have kids? You have Home Movies? I know a program that's awesome by a passionate programmer.." but I cannot tell you if they've donated. Most times, they want a Demo. Hehe, most times I don't have it with me... Figure that! However, I've considered changing that idea. Okay, this has become a bit longer than I thought. Shareware... Whatever you want to do. I support anyway. Pardon the Off Topic...please.

Do you have Die Hard 4?? If not...I'd love for you to check some stuff I've posted about...I'll donate the $ for it...plus some. Thanks.

[Ch3vr0n]

Subscription based is no go for me for the simple reason that I don't buy enough discs every month to justify the cost, and well would be to costly in the long run.

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[jdobbs]

I'm not going to use a subscription based approach. For now its staying freeware with voluntary donations. I'm just going to have to spend less time on this software.

I also want to acknowledge all those who contributed in other, non-monetary ways to this software -- by answering questions, reporting bugs, and making suggestions for improvements. Those people have also given more than their fair share toward BD-RB development.

As for Samson777 -- he apparently was a little slow in the uptake. All I asked is that he move his thread out of bug reports because that thread is for bugs. Instead he decides to post a diatribe. So I moved it for him. I've also moved all these comments as well.

[Glarioo]

Friday 17 October, a sad day ...
Jdobbs plans to stop the further development of BD-Rebuilder.
And yes, i understand his motivation. Some people donate enough, some (like myself) occasionally, most people donate just nothing ... It's like Jdobbs says: "you can't eat pride."
Hopefully Jdobbs changes his mind in the near future and does the same like he did with DVD-Rebuilder.
An "BD-RB Free" version and a paid one "BD-RB PRO".
I would buy it, just like i did back in 2006, with DVD Rebuilder PRO, a program that was worth more than $30.
For all the fantastic work you have done for us, BD-RB users: Thank You Jdobbs!

[Glarioo]

I'm not going to use a subscription based approach. For now its staying freeware with voluntary donations. I'm just going to have to spend less time on this software.

Thank you so much, Jdobbs.

[worknstiff]

Thank you so much, Jdobbs. (Me TOO)

I really hope you will continue BD Rebuilder in one form or another. I will gladly pay for a Pro version too. I don't want to see BD Rebuilder twisting in the wind like multiAVCHD did. SIGH! Anyway where will I get a program to deal with the upcoming 4K h.265 disks? DVDFlab? Got to be a Jdobbs program to handle that.

[Emulgator]

And here comes my 50USD donation, just as an appreciation for this long-and-well-maintained piece of software.

[varekai]

@jdobbs
I can feel your frustration... all the way!
There are no substitutes for your precious software BDRB!
I only use a fraction of all the options it can execute.
If you will someday continue in one way or the other you can count me in!
Until then I will keep donate just because I really enjoy using BDRB!

Best regards

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Jerry,

No matter which way you "choose to go" with the wonderful BDRB, you are deserving of all possible congratulations and thank yous for all of the selfless time and effort you've put into this marvelous free program!

Maybe those of us who have invested either time, money (if possible) or both throughout the years of the ongoing development of BDRB can find a truly meaningful way to express our appreciation - perhaps a statue "in the CLOUD". You are deserving of the greatest of all possible kudos. Please don't fall off any roofs again ;>}

[Lathe]

Thank you too for continuing to provide this for now; truly deeply appreciated (despite my poor state of affairs :) ) Appreciate you commenting on the subscription thing too; just some heartfelt thoughts...

BTW, not to continue in my seemingly hopeless, terminal denseness, but when we send a donation to you, is there any kind of auto-acknowledgement that let's us know that you got it okay? Like I mentioned, I've only sent a few anemic donations (and I would like to continue doing so [as per my passionate statement a while ago that we should ALL just regularly send small donations, they add up]) However, I don't think I've ever seen any kind of response, so I am kind of concerned to be SURE that you are getting them.

Thanks!

[CV91913]

However, I don't think I've ever seen any kind of response, so I am kind of concerned to be SURE that you are getting them.
I have made a number of donations over the years and I have always gotten a thank you email. Just got one yesterday!

[Lathe]

I have made a number of donations over the years and I have always gotten a thank you email. Just got one yesterday!

Hmmm, weird... I've never received one. Perhaps they are going to my spam folder.

Okay, I've sent another small one; I'll keep checking my spam folder to see if that is where the acknowledgements are going.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

Jerry,

No matter which way you "choose to go" with the wonderful BDRB, you are deserving of all possible congratulations and thank yous for all of the selfless time and effort you've put into this marvelous free program!

Maybe those of us who have invested either time, money (if possible) or both throughout the years of the ongoing development of BDRB can find a truly meaningful way to express our appreciation - perhaps a statue "in the CLOUD". You are deserving of the greatest of all possible kudos. Please don't fall off any roofs again ;>} Hah! You remember that fall! I still have titanium in my ankle from it.

[jdobbs]

Hmmm, weird... I've never received one. Perhaps they are going to my spam folder.

Okay, I've sent another small one; I'll keep checking my spam folder to see if that is where the acknowledgements are going.Check your SPAM folder. There's always a response -- and I even follow up if I get a send-failure. If there isn't a send-failure it is pretty much 100% due to anti-SPAM software on the receiving end.

[Lathe]

Check your SPAM folder. There's always a response -- and I even follow up if I get a send-failure. If there isn't a send-failure it is pretty much 100% due to anti-SPAM software on the receiving end.

Yes, thank you JDobbs; this time I did indeed receive an e'mail from your foundation. Very good then, we'll keep work'n it!

Cheers!

[Kerry56]

Thanks for all the hard work and the great program you have created. I don't have a great deal of extra money to contribute, but I have done what I could to promote BD Rebuilder at various forums, like Videohelp and MyCE. I will continue to do so, as I believe it is the best at backing up Blu-ray video.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

I donated when I could and I wish it could have been more. Shamefully, a lot of people simply don't understand the concept of donationware. Your hard work has been greatly appreciated, jdobbs, and I hope to see more projects in the future.

[HWK]

It is indeed sad day. I never thought I will see this day but here it is, oh well wish you best for future.

[Mark_Venture]

Why not go to something as a pay for model, with a discount for those upgrading to the next Major version...

Take for example Audials Tunebite (http://audials.com/en/tunebite/index.html). To Buy Tunebite Platinum is $50. Minor updates are free throughout the year. Then, once a year or so they usually release a MAJOR version. With a verified license key, users can upgrade to the new Major version for $25. Nero (http://www.nero.com/enu/) does something similar too. (Buy a version, get the minor updates free, you get a discount upgrading to the next major version which is usually once per year).

AnyDVD and some other products switched to a termed subscription, or pay a higher amount for "lifetime."

I wouldn't mind BD-Rebuilder changing to this, or other paid for model.

Then again, I can understand not doing a paid for version, as it might bring expectations of support, bug fixes, etc. And if not enough people buy, you'd be back in the same boat, or even worse off.

I appreciate all your hard work and support. Whatever you decide, I say THANK YOU!!

[Seajunk]

Sell to SlySoft.

[Ch3vr0n]

Slysoft is doing just fine with their own, still needs work but it they're getting there

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[Video Dude]

Another suggestion would be to continue with bug fixes, but start a donation goal for new features. BD-RB would continue to be free like it is now, but jdobbs would be rewarded before working hard to implement a new feature. Instead of the current model of adding new features and then hoping to get a donation.

We are all thankful to jdobbs for starting the BD-RB project.

[jdobbs]

For right now I'm treating it like a hobby. I'll work on it when I have free time and I'm in the mood, and nothing more. I owe that much to the people who have donated and supported it here on DOOM9.

At some point I may consider a Pro version. But my experiences with DVD Rebuilder's Pro version weren't good. I spent as much time trying to protect it from ripoffs and viruses as I did in development -- and a large percentage of the bug reports I got were caused by the ripoff hacks. I really don't want to go through that again.

[LowDead]

I owe that much to the people who have donated and supported it here on DOOM9..

You don't owe us ANYTHING. We, on the other hand owe you a lot.

Personally, i'm sorry not to have been able to donate for some time due to financial reasons.

Sending some in your general direction, right now :)

//LD

[Lathe]

For right now I'm treating it like a hobby. I'll work on it when I have free time and I'm in the mood, and nothing more. I owe that much to the people who have donated and supported it here on DOOM9.

At some point I may consider a Pro version. But my experiences with DVD Rebuilder's Pro version weren't good. I spent as much time trying to protect it from ripoffs and viruses as I did in development -- and a large percentage of the bug reports I got were caused by the ripoff hacks. I really don't want to go through that again.

Well, fortunately for all of us, that is a wonderful attitude! I guess you hafta approach it either of two ways. The way that you just said, or totally serious, hard core, make people pay for it. As long as you feel comfortable doing it the 'Hobby' way, then we certainly will all benefit and can HOPEFULLY continue sending donations to some degree (I STILL feel though quite passionately that bloody EVERYONE here could easily cough up $2-$5 frigg'n dollars a month for you!) GEEZ... what do all these people spend on going out for dinner or whatever they do for entertainment...??? Are you telling me that with all the money that people (at least American people generally speaking) spend a month on entertaining themselves, you would THINK that they could come up with a measly few dollars a month for God's sake! I personally am APPALLED at what the average household spends on cable television these days. Like $125- $250 is nothing to these people, and for WHAT...?!!! Crap, that's what. I personally have not had cable television ever since VOYAGER & THE X-FILES went off the air in 2002. And here we are getting a kick-butt, AWESOMELY useful, high-quality program to use. AND the continued help, bug fixes, etc. on top of it. Come on people;I'm serious, this actually makes me ill!

Sorry... clearly this is something that I feel quite strongly about...

[Glarioo]

Slysoft is doing just fine with their own, still needs work but it they're getting there

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You mean Slyce?
There talking for years about it but still no release...
Besides that: AnyDVD HD rules!

[Ch3vr0n]

Yes and no, it had been renamed to cloneBD. you just don't realize how many variables there are in video and audio combo's Plus designing and easy to use GUI itself isn't easy either and now with cinavia to deal with too well you get the idea. Lately the beta testers (like me) have had a dozen new builds or so over the past few weeks. At this point it also detects cinavia (no news on removal yet)

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[laserfan]

For right now I'm treating it like a hobby. I'll work on it when I have free time and I'm in the mood, and nothing more. I owe that much to the people who have donated and supported it here on DOOM9.

At some point I may consider a Pro version. But my experiences with DVD Rebuilder's Pro version weren't good. I spent as much time trying to protect it from ripoffs and viruses as I did in development -- and a large percentage of the bug reports I got were caused by the ripoff hacks. I really don't want to go through that again.
You know best, and no doubt you've given all this a lot of thought, but if I were in your shoes, and given that DVD-RB Pro has not needed updating going on 6 years now, I would just retire it i.e. not take any more Payments, instead relying on Donations, and instead put-up a website saying "Here's the last release, thanks" and leave the Paypal button there. No more support except refer folks to here and the Community can help people.

Same with BD-RB, which no doubt you will continue to fiddle with and can release to jdobbs.com as you see fit.

Not sure how many folks here realize BD-RB Beta will be 6 years old (in Dec maybe?) and that's long enough for any special-purpose program (meaning BDs have been around for a long time now and only 3Ds have been relatively recent).

Unless of course some new featureset strikes your fancy and you wanna gift us with it. :)

Anyway thanks for all the cool software. :cool:

[Glarioo]

Yes and no, it had been renamed to cloneBD. you just don't realize how many variables there are in video and audio combo's Plus designing and easy to use GUI itself isn't easy either and now with cinavia to deal with too well you get the idea. Lately the beta testers (like me) have had a dozen new builds or so over the past few weeks. At this point it also detects cinavia (no news on removal yet)

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Sorry Ch3vr0n, i didn't mean to upset you.
It was not meant as a criticism of slysoft.
Maybe they can hire Jdobbs for optimizing CloneBD. ;-)
Slysoft can detect cinavia now. I'm pretty sure that their next step is to remove cinavia.

[Ch3vr0n]

You didn't, it's just that some people just don't realize how much work it is to create software and make it easy to use and setup too.

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[mparade]

For right now I'm treating it like a hobby. I'll work on it when I have free time and I'm in the mood, and nothing more. I owe that much to the people who have donated and supported it here on DOOM9.

At some point I may consider a Pro version. But my experiences with DVD Rebuilder's Pro version weren't good. I spent as much time trying to protect it from ripoffs and viruses as I did in development -- and a large percentage of the bug reports I got were caused by the ripoff hacks. I really don't want to go through that again.

I think you gave us already so much in our lives with DVD-RB and BD-RB that any "model" you are going to follow in the future is welcome. I would really not mind at all paying lot more for such great programs with such a great author and support. Anyhow you decide you can surely count on my further donations. Again, thank you very much for all the efforts, hard work and support you have been giving us since the creation of DVD-RB.

[Darth_Emma]

I just found this thread and am so sorry (and freaked out) that BDRB support may be ending.

I have donated before and would be glad to do so again if that would mean that it will continue. I know you have done a LOT of work, jdobbs, and I really appreciate this software.

I wondered if you have considered offering a lifetime subscription to the software? (And quit offering it for free.) I was glad to pay for AnyDVD. I would be glad to pay for a lifetime subscription to BDRB.

Thanks for everything.

[jdobbs]

It's possible I may do a "Pro" version. I'm not sure right now.

[Lathe]

I wondered if you have considered offering a lifetime subscription to the software? (And quit offering it for free.) I was glad to pay for AnyDVD. I would be glad to pay for a lifetime subscription to BDRB.

Thanks for everything.

Hmmmm, 'Subscription'.... I wonder where I have heard that before...??? :cool:

[Kirisxm]

If I had to choose an alternative, I would choose DVDFab, but now I use video downloaders like StreamFab, Audials, etc. I use them to download videos in MP4 format, and some platforms now support 4K or even 8K downloads, such as YouTubeDownloader which supports 8K resolution downloads, Apple TV plus Downloader supports 4K resolution download. Apart from that, it also has downloaders like Disney+ Downloader (https://streamfab.de/best-disney-plus-downloader), Amazon Downloader (https://dvdfab.at/amazon-downloader/how-to-download-amazon-prime-movies.htm) and so on.

[jdobbs]

If I had to choose an alternative, I would choose DVDFab, but now I use video downloaders like StreamFab, Audials, etc. I use them to download videos in MP4 format, and some platforms now support 4K or even 8K downloads, such as YouTubeDownloader which supports 8K resolution downloads, Apple TV plus Downloader supports 4K resolution download. Apart from that, it also has downloaders like Disney+ Downloader (https://streamfab.de/best-disney-plus-downloader), Amazon Downloader (https://dvdfab.at/amazon-downloader/how-to-download-amazon-prime-movies.htm) and so on.Huh?

I would say "winding down" may have been a stretch when this thread was written (10 years ago!) Have I really been winding down that long?

[CV91913]

Huh?

I would say "winding down" may have been a stretch when this thread was written (10 years ago!) Have I really been winding down that long?

Time flies when you're having fun. :sly: Zombie thread.

[Lathe]

Huh?

I would say "winding down" may have been a stretch when this thread was written (10 years ago!) Have I really been winding down that long?

Well JD... We really didn't want to mention it, but we've been noticing that you've been winding down for some time...

[Lowpro]

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[jdobbs]

Time flies when you're having fun. :sly: Zombie thread.Well JD... We really didn't want to mention it, but we've been noticing that you've been winding down for some time...https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Flive.staticflickr.com%2F8217%2F8408027293_f9742260d2_m.jpgAin't that the truth!