How can I burn SACD-R to any audio CD or DVD

[user-s3]

Hi, is it possible to burn image (.iso) of SACD-R to any audio CD or DVD keeping DTS sound (5.1)? Because I'm looking for any way during about a week already, burning and wasting the next DVD-R and nothing. Should I better give up and forget it?

[filler56789]

First things first --- SACD has nothing to do with DTS :)

Secondly --- it should be possible to use foobar2000 for converting the SACD tracks:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/sacddecoder/

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=90011

[Brazil2]

There is no SACD-R, SACD is a read only disc format so there are no SACD burners available. This is the main reason why you can't burn an SACD ISO image to any kind of disc.

There is no DTS on an SACD but DSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Stream_Digital)/DST (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD#DST) HD streams and sometimes a Red Book PCM audio layer on hybrid SACDs which can be played back by most regular CD Audio players.

So yes, you should give up trying to burn an SACD and, as suggested above by filler56789, use foobar2000 + foo_input_sacd to extract/convert SACD streams which is AFAIK the only existing solution on Windows.

[user-s3]

As I've heard from source, SACD usually contains both of formats: DTS and CD, and SACD-R is probably image of SACD I guess.
I don't really know what I've done but it's working, as in attachment.
My .wav files converted by Foobar are 6-channel full DTS and they play excellently :)
Thank you for your advise, even not quite aware ;)

[sebus]

Thanks, I have one CD like that - Sting Sacred Love (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sacred-Love-HYBRID-SACD-Sting/dp/B0000CE0TX)

Never really done anything with it...

[Brazil2]

I'm well aware that DST (Direct Stream Transfer) which is used on SACD has nothing to do with DTS (Digital Theater Systems) which is used on DVD and BD.

SACD technology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD#Technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Stream_Digital

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks, I have one CD like that - Sting Sacred Love (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sacred-Love-HYBRID-SACD-Sting/dp/B0000CE0TX)

Never really done anything with it...I've got loads of SACD's. Most of them are 'hybrid' disc's which contain a SACD (DSD) audio layer and a CD (2 channel PCM) audio layer. You can only play the SACD layer on a SACD capable audio player.

It is not possible to gain access to the SACD (DSD) audio layer using a PC or a Mac computer. You can only gain access to the DSD stream using a Sony PS3 running custom firmware/software.

It is however possible to gain access to the CD (2 channel PCM) audio layer. And rip that...

[sebus]

My .wav files converted by Foobar are 6-channel full DTS and they play excellently :)

Which way did you "convert" them?

Also there is NOWHERE DTS but DST

[user-s3]

I first of all instaled foobar and dts plugin.
Next I instaled sacd plugin just like on this tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDd6HkwO5jc
In the preference I chose multichannel.
Next I reloaded my iso image of SACD and probably that's all.
I can choose any track, click right button of mouse, choose "convert to wav" submenu
and after conversion I've got 6-channel .wav file which I can burn to CD or just play
because my home theater can play multichannel .wav file from usb disk or media server through DLNA.

[SeeMoreDigital]

user-s3,

Where exactly did you get this DSD stream from?

[user-s3]

user-s3,

Where exactly did you get this DSD stream from?

I don't understand which DSD stream?
I've just opened my .iso image of SACD in Foobar.
There were 2 version of track in the image: 2-channel (stereo) and the same 6-channel (5.1 DTS).
After conversion the 6-channel ones I've just got the 6-channel .wav file.

[SeeMoreDigital]

SACD image (.iso) files contain a 'Direct Stream Digital' (DSD) audio stream.

Where did you get this SACD image (.iso) file from?

[sebus]

You have PM...

[user-s3]

SACD image (.iso) files contain a 'Direct Stream Digital' (DSD) audio stream.

Where did you get this SACD image (.iso) file from?

Ah, you ask for that.
I rather shouldn't write about it here.

[user-s3]

The SACD was purchased of course and image iso was made by SACD-Ripper as I remember,
but as I've heard in some countries any conversion or ripping is not allowed at all, so some questions about source perhaps aren't convenient on the public forum.

[Nexin]

Where you could use DVD or BR and rid these problems your having. Your ATM all about how to convert convert audio for sake of playing on a CD disc. There is a reason why DVD and BR is used for audio music and less CDs are released each year. It is because DVD and BR are ATM the best option for audio.

Forget CDs and lossy audio converting, need only copy what you need from your discs to make other DVD or BR compilation discs. No converting audio or other ever needed keep the music the same as you have on your retail discs. If it hardware the reason why you need CDs easier to buy better hardware than would be to waste time and money buying CD-+Rs for what your doing now.

[user-s3]

Maybe it's truth but it's just one thing. As I see, DTS music is not often offered at the market and CD doesn't work a long time, about 5-6 years, DVD works rather in a shorter time and BR works in the shortest time, even used not often. So I've got image of every my DTS, which some I've made myself and some I've commissioned to and I sometimes try to used them someways, as I can and find out how.

[Ghitulescu]

SACD is tricky to work with.
First one has to obtain an ISO, which is not trivial, inspite SACDs are close to DVDs. Many times people ripped the CD layer.
Once the ISO was obtained it can be burned on a DVDR with any software. This is not the problem. Seldom is the burner.
The problem is that less and less players accept burned SACDs, for the simple reason that there is no such SACD-R.
This is the reason why SACD is almost dead.
And BTW, DTS is not the same as DST.
There are many resources on internet about SACD.

[user-s3]

I'm rather interested in only DTS, that means surrounded and multichannel music so all my SACDs are DTS 5.1. Unfortunately my old SACD player is dead since about 2 years already and SACDs probably too but their music now is still living in my images, and I can hear them again. You should hear eg. "The veil of the temple" by John Tavener, recorded live from performances in the Temple Church in London in 2003 and recorded only on SACD. There are real 6 channels of music essence.

[Brazil2]

all my SACDs are DTS 5.1
Once again, SACDs are using DST (Direct Stream Transfer) and not DTS (Digital Theater Systems) as already explained here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1668626#post1668626

There is no DTS on SACD. Full stop.

Can you read the difference between DST and DTS or are you dyslexic ?

[user-s3]

Yes, I see that the presence of multichannel sounds in SACD seems to hurt a range of your actual knowledge.
And how do you explain the multichannel setting of eg. sacd plugin for Foobar?
This is only for decoration in your opinion? ;)

[Brazil2]

I already posted links explaining the technology used in SACD:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD#Technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Stream_Digital

Read them carefully. This is the explanation you're looking for.

[user-s3]

OK, you're a troll. I already posted links explaining the technology used in SACD:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD#Technology

Read them carefully. This is the explanation you're looking for.

As you can see:
"Commercial releases commonly included both surround sound (five full-range plus LFE multi-channel) and stereo (dual-channel) mixes on the SACD layer".
And your invectives are not necessary.

[Brazil2]

As you can see:
"Commercial releases commonly included both surround sound (five full-range plus LFE multi-channel) and stereo (dual-channel) mixes on the SACD layer".
Exactly, notice the and which is the important bit, and this is called an hybrid SACD which I already explained in the 3rd post of this thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1668599#post1668599

The multichannel stream is DSD or DST, not DTS.
Read again: DST not DTS.

More info about SACD:
http://www.sa-cd.net/faq#discs1
http://www.sa-cd.net/faq#audio1
http://www.sa-cd.net/faq#audio6
http://www.sa-cd.net/faq#audio9

And your invectives are not necessary.

You started to talk about my knowledge while yours is abviously zero about SACD. I've posted links and you haven't read any of the pages.

[user-s3]

Exactly, notice the and which is the important bit, and this is called an hybrid SACD which I already explained in the 3rd post of this thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1668599#post1668599
But they don't play in the same time.
You can choose to play, stereo or five full-range plus LFE multi-channel music.
The multichannel stream is DSD or DST, not DTS.
Read again: DST not DTS.

So what is the difference between playing DTS 5.1 and five full-range plus LFE multi-channel form hybrid SACD except order of the letters making acronyms DST and DTS in your opinion?

[Brazil2]

So what is the difference between playing DTS 5.1 and five full-range plus LFE multi-channel form hybrid SACD except order of the letters making acronyms DST and DTS in your opinion?
Already explained, and it's not an opinion but a fact:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD#DSD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Stream_Digital

Read these pages. Seriously, do it. And I do mean read, not a quick look.

[user-s3]

You should sometimes hear what you're talking about.
I'm trying to explain it probably the last time.
When I play 6-channel music converted from SACD to image, next from image to 6-channel .wav files and next burned from this files to CD DTS 5.1, I don't hear some theory from your URLs, but pure DTS and my home theater shows DTS label on his LCD panel.
And even I've got my hearing almost absolute I can't really hear any difference between this DTS and previous SACD music.
So when you still can't understand this it's a pity but you needn't to be nervous and rude.

[filler56789]

...........
and my home theater shows DTS label on his LCD panel.


Well, then you should have been more explicit, i.e.,
you should have said that you converted the SACD tracks to DTS tracks


--- which, BTW, implies that you did lose some quality,
since DTS (or rather, DCA) is a lossy compression scheme:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS_(sound_system)#DTS_audio_codec

[user-s3]

--- which, BTW, implies that you did lose some quality,
since DTS (or rather, DCA) is a lossy compression scheme:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS_(sound_system)#DTS_audio_codec

Considering current sound processors it's rather not necessarily.
And this was only example that SACD contains DTS sound which is available after appropriate conversion.
But as I've written already I can play uncompressed and multichannel .wav files too, so eventually lost of quality shouldn't be significant.
It is wonderer that sometimes interlocutor can guess what's going on after a few words instead of persisting in his opinion and insulting his adversary.

[Ghitulescu]

I believe OP thinks that multichannel audio is DTS, and therefore any multichannel medium is automatically DTS. This seems to be the logical conclusion of both threads he started not too long time ago.

If I am not mistaken, the first multichannel format for consumers was MPEG audio. Therefore there are 5 multichannel formats (variants not included) for consumer: MPEG, Dolby Digital, DTS, DST/SACD and MLP (DVD-A).

[Guest]

I have edited out some rule 4 violations. Further gratuitous insults and accusations of trolling will incur strikes.

[user-s3]

I believe OP thinks that multichannel audio is DTS, and therefore any multichannel medium is automatically DTS. This seems to be the logical conclusion of both threads he started not too long time ago.

If I am not mistaken, the first multichannel format for consumers was MPEG audio. Therefore there are 5 multichannel formats (variants not included) for consumer: MPEG, Dolby Digital, DTS, DST/SACD and MLP (DVD-A).

Someone open-minded people here are proving since long time ago, by their abilities to conversion, that is only a matter of nomenclature.

[Stereodude]

These threads are like a train wreck. I just can't stop watching. The combination of stubbornness and bad English make for great entertainment.
When I play 6-channel music converted from SACD to image, next from image to 6-channel .wav files and next burned from this files to CD DTS 5.1, I don't hear some theory from your URLs, but pure DTS and my home theater shows DTS label on his LCD panel.
And even I've got my hearing almost absolute I can't really hear any difference between this DTS and previous SACD music.1) If you can't hear the difference between a lossless SACD and a lossy DTS disc, why not keep using your "SACD to image, next from image to 6-channel .wav files and next burned from this files to CD DTS 5.1" method?
2) Didn't you start this thread asking how to do what you're already doing?
3) Converted from SACD to image, next from image to 6-channel .wav files, 6-channel .wav files to DTS-HD MA file (using DTS HD Encoder Suite), make AVCHD disc with DTS-HD MA file, play back in Blu-Ray player, enjoy pure DTS in your home theater with DTS label showing on his LCD panel!

[Wilbert]

Someone open-minded people here are proving since long time ago, by their abilities to conversion, that is only a matter of nomenclature.
It just shows your unwillingness to learn something. As already explained to you it is a lossy conversion. It's always possible to do a conversion between two formats, so everything would be a matter of nomenclature.

[user-s3]

Somebody please close this topic?

If this guy does not understand the differences between various audio formats I seriously doubt he possessed the skills required to create back-ups of SACD's using a PS3 running custom firmware. Meaning his SACD's have got to be 'hookie downloads!

Keep better your imputations to yourself.

It just shows your unwillingness to learn something. As already explained to you it is a lossy conversion. It's always possible to do a conversion between two formats, so everything would be a matter of nomenclature.

And it just shows your strong attachment to stereotypes and prejudices. You prefer hanging on some schemas and ignoring any intentions of your interlocutors.
Even if DTS is lossy it is still great quality and I don't want to write the third time, that nobody's doomed to it when he has intermediate uncompressed and full multi-channel .wav format.
It's time to stop further redundant sophistry so that's just EOT.

[Guest]

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[Guest]

And it just shows your strong attachment to stereotypes and prejudices.
...
It's time to stop further redundant sophistry so that's just EOT. You forgot rule 4: be nice to each other.

[Herman Karton]

Hi, is it possible to burn image (.iso) of SACD-R to any audio CD or DVD keeping DTS sound (5.1)? Because I'm looking for any way during about a week already, burning and wasting the next DVD-R and nothing. Should I better give up and forget it?
SACD iso can burn on a DVD-5 with IMGBurn freeware (or with BlindWrite) without any problem what so ever. This is called SACD-R. Never the less for most people the story ends right here.
There are only a very few High-End Universal players that can and will play these discs.
A List of these players is on the internet.
From any HD-Track we make our own SACD with the original Philips SuperAutor.
With this Software you can create SACD from HD-Tracks or DVD-A rip.
If you don't have Philips or Sony software you can use the ISO-files from the internet.
These ISO-files can be listened by FOO-Bar, but only in LOW resolution.
You can not open PS-3 ISO-rip with iso-buster or utra-iso.
The new software is now produced by SONIC - Nexstage.