3D Processing Questions

[rotty]

Hi

Vista PC

I have been using BD Rebuilder for a long time now to compress 2D movie only.

I just want to be clear on a few points.

Does the latest version 46.11 incorporate an MVC encoder.

I have a test file, it is a movie only 3D ISO that of course mounts with Virtual Drive

Can somebody help me with a step by step guide how to make a compressed 3D ISO using BD Rebuilder (SSIF not SBS).

I take it that you can only make a 3D ISO and not folder.

[omegaman7]

Hi

Vista PC

I have been using BD Rebuilder for a long time now to compress 2D movie only.

I just want to be clear on a few points.

Does the latest version 46.11 incorporate an MVC encoder.

I have a test file, it is a 3D ISO that of course mounts with Virtual Drive

Can somebody help me with a step by step guide how to make a compressed 3D ISO using BD Rebuilder.

I take it that you can only make a 3D ISO and not folder.

I put my testing on hold, awaiting my 3DTV. But I can tell you that Rebuilder defaults to output ISO for 3D backups. There's only a hidden option for outputting to folder. Which is highly ill-advised.

[jdobbs]

Hi

Vista PC

I have been using BD Rebuilder for a long time now to compress 2D movie only.

I just want to be clear on a few points.

Does the latest version 46.11 incorporate an MVC encoder.

I have a test file, it is a movie only 3D ISO that of course mounts with Virtual Drive

Can somebody help me with a step by step guide how to make a compressed 3D ISO using BD Rebuilder (SSIF not SBS).

I take it that you can only make a 3D ISO and not folder.Yes, MVC is supported. It's really not complicated.

1. Mount your source ISO.
2. Select the source in BD-RB. Set BD-RB to movie-only mode
3. Make sure "Enable SBS 3D Movie-Only output" is not selected in BD-RB's SETUP dialog
4. Make sure "Process 3D Video sources as 2D for backup" isn't selected
5. Click "Backup"

Everything is done automatically. You will see an ISO file (named appropriately) in the working folder after the job is complete. The same settings/output choices/rules apply as a 2D backup.

[rotty]

Thank you for your reply.

Should BD Rebuilder indicate that it knows the source is 3D.

Should BD Rebuilder use FFDSHOW to encode the 3D output.

The output is only an image if I tell it to output as image.

The result is always 2D only.

The source is 3D and plays in 3D in TMT and PowerDVD, however the result from BD Rebuilder is only 2D.

Can you help.

[jdobbs]

Thank you for your reply.

Should BD Rebuilder indicate that it knows the source is 3D.

Should BD Rebuilder use FFDSHOW to encode the 3D output.

The output is only an image if I tell it to output as image.

The result is always 2D only.

The source is 3D and plays in 3D in TMT and PowerDVD, however the result from BD Rebuilder is only 2D.

Can you help.1. Yes it will be indicated -- and if it is truly a BD-3D source, it will definitely see it. There are two ways to prevent it from backing up as 3D and I mentioned both of them.

2. BD-RB never uses FFDSHOW for encoding. It only uses it for decoding... and no, it won't use it for a 3D source. It will use FRIMDecode.

3. If BD-RB doesn't see it as 3D it is unlikely the source is in standard BD-3D format. There are lots of finite indicators that make a 3D source easily distinguishable from a 2D source.

If you can send me the test file, I will look at it to see why it isn't flagged as 3D.

[jdobbs]

I moved these posts from the BD-RB bug reporting thread...

[rotty]

Thanks JD for your help.

How do I attach a file to a private message.

[jdobbs]

Thanks JD for your help.

How do I attach a file to a private message.You'd have to post it somewhere else and put the link in the PM.

[jdobbs]

One other thing I forgot to mention, but have made clear in past posts. You must be running Windows 7 or above for the 3D encoder to be enabled. The MVC encoder requires it. Perhaps that could be your problem? I can't tell because you haven't posted a log. From the BD-RB change log:- Added fully BD compliant 3D support for
movie-only backups. SBS and O/U 3D output
is still supported via selection of the
"Enable SBS 3D Movie-Only output" option
in the setup menu and the "TYPE_OF_3D"
hidden option output, but is not the pre-
ferred 3D method. NOTE: This feature
requires Windows 7 or higher, and will be
disabled on lower O/S versions.

[rotty]

AH JD you have hit it on the head, Vista.

I tried an Original 3D disk I have (Prometheus) instead of the small portion I had of it for test purposes and same result, BD Rebuilder does not indicate that it is a 3D disk in fact.

Thanks JD for your help, need to upgrade to 7 (not 8 LOL).

Regards

[Ch3vr0n]

it won't work on vista :) I've had jdobbs knock me up a special "vista" build and when it hit to the encoding phase it errored out with some dll error. Vista can't handle the special instructions needed

[jdobbs]

AH JD you have hit it on the head, Vista.

I tried an Original 3D disk I have (Prometheus) instead of the small portion I had of it for test purposes and same result, BD Rebuilder does not indicate that it is a 3D disk in fact.

Thanks JD for your help, need to upgrade to 7 (not 8 LOL).

RegardsI wouldn't hesitate to go from Vista to Win7 -- in my opinion Vista was one of Microsofts biggest mistakes. I dumped it quickly, and in fact had reverted to XP in some cases before Win7 was released.

[rotty]

I totally agree.

Thanks again JD for your help.

[rotty]

Hi JD

ISO default/forced Audio and Subtitle Editor.

I dont know if this is of any use to you but just in case.

https://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?59584-Movie-Only-ISO-Forced-Audio-and-Subtitle-Editor&p=384561#post384561

[jdobbs]

Thanks!

[MarioGarcia]

I have restarted using bd-rebuilder after a while

I am trying to backup a movie only of planes 3D.
i added to the ini the option force_noencode=1 but I see that the videos streams are being encoded..

- [08:49:45] Reencoding: VID_00922, Pass 1 of 1
- [08:51:11] Video Encode complete
- [08:51:11] Processing: VID_00926 (9 of 75)
- [08:51:11] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00926]
- [08:51:21] Reencoding video [VID_00926]

the main movie consist of small little files, not a big file of several gigabytes.
does the rencoding video mean making a huge big file?

I want to keep audio and video untouched.


thanks

Mario

[jdobbs]

I have restarted using bd-rebuilder after a while

I am trying to backup a movie only of planes 3D.
i added to the ini the option force_noencode=1 but I see that the videos streams are being encoded..



the main movie consist of small little files, not a big file of several gigabytes.
does the rencoding video mean making a huge big file?

I want to keep audio and video untouched.


thanks

MarioYou're sure it will fit on the target?

I'll look at it and see if the force-noencode is being honored.

[MarioGarcia]

Hello
the movie has 75 streams m2ts and as it was 3d it was being encoded.

I tried a 2d movie (escape plan) which in movie only selected one title with 14 m2ts and it clearly not encoded.. so for some reason the 3d movies that are not in a big huge m2ts are being encoded and ignoring the flag force_noencode=1.

maybe a bug,

[jdobbs]

Hello
the movie has 75 streams m2ts and as it was 3d it was being encoded.

I tried a 2d movie (escape plan) which in movie only selected one title with 14 m2ts and it clearly not encoded.. so for some reason the 3d movies that are not in a big huge m2ts are being encoded and ignoring the flag force_noencode=1.

maybe a bug,I found the bug that was preventing it. I've fixed it and it will be included in the next release.

[sef]

@jdobbs

Tell me please. I'm doing only SBS video in BD Rebuilder. How do I skip demux the video, because FRIM uses m2ts directly from disk (ISO)..?

Thanks..(forgive me, if I repeat the question..)

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

Tell me please. I'm doing only SBS video in BD Rebuilder. How do I skip demux the video, because FRIM uses m2ts directly from disk (ISO)..?

Thanks..(forgive me, if I repeat the question..)I haven't implemented direct M2TS reading yet in BD-RB... although I have created a test version of BD-RB that does it and I've seen no issues as yet.

Demuxing is done to get access to all the audio and subtitle tracks. It can't be skipped. It just happens that BD-RB demuxes the video at the same time. The reason it is included is so it is available for use if the video will fit without reencoding. I know that doesn't necessarily apply to SBS encoding -- but the demuxing takes the same amount of time with or without video, so there's no reason not to -- even if you are reading directly from the M2TS.

[IanD]

Not sure if it is spelt out simply in one of the other large threads, but can BDRB create a movie-only (movie with primary video audio and subtitle tracks only) 3D BD folder/file structure in-mux video in a single m2ts without compression?

3D movies generally don't have many extras or branches but do take up extra space with additional language soundtracks and double disc size when extracted as folders/files. I would like the 3D movie only in as compact a folder/file form as possible without compression, but BD compliant (ie not MKV).

[jdobbs]

Not sure if it is spelt out simply in one of the other large threads, but can BDRB create a movie-only (movie with primary video audio and subtitle tracks only) 3D BD folder/file structure in-mux video in a single m2ts without compression?

3D movies generally don't have many extras or branches but do take up extra space with additional language soundtracks and double disc size when extracted as folders/files. I would like the 3D movie only in as compact a folder/file form as possible without compression, but BD compliant (ie not MKV).Yes.

All you have to do is select the source, and if the output will fit within the target without compression, the video will be kept intact (but remuxed using in-mux). Audio follows the same rules it always has.

You could also set FORCE_NOENCODE=1 in the INI file and then the video will be kept intact regardless of the target size.

[IanD]

Yes.

All you have to do is select the source, and if the output will fit within the target without compression, the video will be kept intact (but remuxed using in-mux). Audio follows the same rules it always has.

You could also set FORCE_NOENCODE=1 in the INI file and then the video will be kept intact regardless of the target size.

Thanks.

Does it concatenate any fragmented m2ts files into a single movie m2ts? I was reading in the Beta thread that it maintained the same structure as the parent even for movie-only.

What I need is effectively a 3D version of ClownBD that uses in-mux.

[jdobbs]

Thanks.

Does it concatenate any fragmented m2ts files into a single movie m2ts? I was reading in the Beta thread that it maintained the same structure as the parent even for movie-only.

What I need is effectively a 3D version of ClownBD that uses in-mux.I don't know who said that -- but they are completely wrong. All movie-only encodes are restructured into a single M2TS. In order to keep the multipart structure you would have to select Full-Backup or Quick-Play-Backup.

[Lathe]

Hello!

Just a quickie... If a Blu-ray is shown to have both the 2D and 3D version of the film, and I load it using AnyDVD in the background, the structure LOOKS like a normal 2D film (which is what I want anyway) There is just one Movie file of about 35 Gigs; it looks just like any other 2D film structure that I've backed up a hundred times.

BDRB has accepted my choice of a full disc backup with some of the trailers and such Blanked. I am using LAVF/x264 like I always do. Now it SEEMS to me as per earlier discussions that BDRB somehow indicates if this is a true 3D Blu-ray, but I don't see anything showing that. If I just want the 2D backup, should I just go ahead as it looks and process it normally like I usually do with all 2D films? Will I get some kind of prompt if I do, or will it simply process the backup to 2D which is what it LOOKS like it is going to do?

Or, is there some specific setting that I need to select (or add to the .ini file) to make SURE that all future 3D films will be backed up to 2D?

Thanks kindly!

*** EDIT

Well, the answer is 'NO' apparently... I started the backup and it immediately showed 'MVC 3D Output Mode enabled', so I DO apparently have to turn something 'Off', I just don't know what...

I'll keep reading here to see if I can find it; I'm sure that SOMEONE has already asked about this. But, if someone wishes to take pity on me first and tell me what to do, that would be very much appreciated. Thank you!

*** EDIT 2 ***

Okay, I found it :) I need to add 'IGNORE_3D=1'

It wasn't in the latest list of Hidden Ops, but I saw you mention it in the main debug post (I was VERY fortunate to stumble across it!)

Thank you again sincerely for the WORLD's BEST Blu-ray backup software!!!

[mparade]

@jdobbs

When encoding the same video source using FRIMEncode and x264,according to your experiences, what is the
rough discrepancy in the encoding efficiency between them?

I mean, when using both encoder on the same source and getting exactly the same sized results how much better the PSNR (or any quality measurement index) values would roughly be for the x264 backup? I would like to jump into making BD3D backups soon, and I have to somehow get around the lack of CRF encoding mode in multi-view coding. As far as I remember from your previous statements, there is very small difference between the two encoders' efficency (at least in terms of quality for the same filesizes, not considering the speed of the process).

Thank you very much for the help!
It would be appreciated.

[jdobbs]

There are too many variables. I measured both with single pass ABR to be fair -- but X264 also has two-pass (non-existent in FRIM) which will give better results at the same rate. X264 also has a huge number of bells-and-whistles that can be used to improve the picture at a given bitrate while FRIM doesn't.

With all things considered, X264 can provide a slightly better picture (measured by PSNR) at a high bitrate -- but the level of improvement increases rapidly as the bitrate is lowered. On the other hand, at higher bitrates the difference gets smaller.

[Flanker-B]

I know this is an old post, but I have a problem downconverting 2d/3d movie to 2d only keeping the menus and special features. I've deselected keep 3d only option and selected output 3d as 2d option. The result can't be played on PowerDVD 12 (last cinavia free version) as the player says the movie requires 3d capable player connected to a 3d display (which isn't detected). On iDeer Bluray Player it works, but only with the main movie and rudimentary menu (instead of original menus from the bd50 disc).

PS: I'm using the latest BD Rebuilder and the original untouched BD50 disc of that movie plays with no problems in PowerDVD 12.

[jdobbs]

Some discs use coding to make them only compatible with 3d players, and BD-RB can't really do anything to change that.

[Flanker-B]

Some discs use coding to make them only compatible with 3d players, and BD-RB can't really do anything to change that.

The problem is that untouched bd plays normally, but when I ran it through BDRB it didn't play.