Haali Renderer and DirectVobSub = No Subtitles

[sdancer75]

Hi,

I am trying to play a video recorded with TechSmith's Camtasia by adding subtitles. I am using Haali Render since I get the best results in my case.

The problem is that I can not see any subtitles. I am loading an external *.srt file. The a look of my graph below.


http://i44.tinypic.com/2vinwxk.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2vinwxk.jpg


I saw also tha Haali has a subtitle input. How can I use that pin ?

Regards,

[filler56789]

Try the auto-loading version of DirectVobSub.

OR adjust the properties of the "normal" DirectVobSub, and then restart or reload the graph.

[sdancer75]

Try the auto-loading version of DirectVobSub.

OR adjust the properties of the "normal" DirectVobSub, and then restart or reload the graph.


Thanks

Using the auto-loading version I get error "VFW_E_NO_ACCEPTABLE_TYPES"

I used an older version of VSFilter.dll (v 1.7.0.35) which it works with VMR9 or EVR but it does not refreshing correctly which means that past time subtitles are mixing with current time subtitle for a few seconds. Is there any way to avoid this?

Any other solution or recommendation ?

Regards,

[filler56789]

Using the auto-loading version I get error "VFW_E_NO_ACCEPTABLE_TYPES"

That's weird 0_o

Anyway, I sort-of managed to reproduce your problem, and it seems the-root-of-all-evil :) is in the Color Space Conversion filter :confused:

Workaround: decode the video with ffdshow / LAV Video,
OR replace the Color Space filter with ffdshow raw video filter
(just in case the Camtasia VfW codec cannot do without a color space conversion).

Also, to be on the safe side, don't use the default AVI Splitter. FWIW, I use and recommend the standalone MPC Avi Splitter.
Besides, xy-VSFilter instead of the "normal" VSFilter.

[sdancer75]

That's weird 0_o

Anyway, I sort-of managed to reproduce your problem, and it seems the-root-of-all-evil :) is in the Color Space Conversion filter :confused:

Workaround: decode the video with ffdshow / LAV Video,
OR replace the Color Space filter with ffdshow raw video filter
(just in case the Camtasia VfW codec cannot do without a color space conversion).

Also, to be on the safe side, don't use the default AVI Splitter. FWIW, I use and recommend the standalone MPC Avi Splitter.
Besides, xy-VSFilter instead of the "normal" VSFilter.

Ok,

I did the following changes at the graph

http://i40.tinypic.com/4iliy9.png

But the result is distrorted

http://i39.tinypic.com/333elas.jpg

I did not tried but since I am using my own Async Source Filter I think that it will not work with filters like LavFilter or FDShow....

Anyway I will give it a try !

PS: Haali Renderer has a subtitle input pin. Do you know how to use it ?

[dukey]

PS: Haali Renderer has a subtitle input pin. Do you know how to use it ?
You need a splitter that will connect directly to the renderer pin.

[sdancer75]

You need a splitter that will connect directly to the renderer pin.

Thanks, but what kind of splitter? I need to load external files for my subtitles. Can you recommend one ?

PS : I ended up with Haali Render because VMR9 does not correcly support BiLinear/BiCubic filtering for resizing under Win7/Vista. I know that I have to use EVR in this case but since I want to have XP support which works fine with VMR9, I think that Haali will be a universal renderer without extra code.

Regards,

[Asmodian]

Do you know about madVR (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146228)?

[leeperry]

HR is a bug feast, time to use madVR indeed.

[sdancer75]

HR is a bug feast, time to use madVR indeed.

Hi,

I gave up with madVR 'cos I get a small output window (no reason why... is it buggy ?) without the possibility to resize or change any attributes (no reaction when I push "edit settings" or "show tray icon"). So I gave up very early with this renderer !

http://i44.tinypic.com/oqacr9.jpg

[Asmodian]

Why are you using "Color Space Converter"?

[sdancer75]

Why are you using "Color Space Converter"?

Hi,

Without "Color Space Converter" madVR renderer has flickeing.... I think that MadVR is only for mpeg movies and for my video captured videos.... It can not even decode the resolution of the video !

[Asmodian]

No, madVR works with anything and everything on my system. No resolution or color space restrictions. I do VHS to H.264 conversions and I have played with a lot of options like capturing in uncompressed UYVY 10-bit and playing with color spaces, etc.

Maybe you could post a small sample of what you are trying to play and we could see if we can get it to work in GraphEditPlus?

Are you on XP? What video card do you have?

[sdancer75]

No, madVR works with anything and everything on my system. No resolution or color space restrictions. I do VHS to H.264 conversions and I have played with a lot of options like capturing in uncompressed UYVY 10-bit and playing with color spaces, etc.

Maybe you could post a small sample of what you are trying to play and we could see if we can get it to work in GraphEditPlus?

Are you on XP? What video card do you have?

Hi,

I am using Win7 64Bit with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4500/5100, but I want to run the graph also to WinXP systems.

The video recorded with TechSmith's Camtasia. You can download the codec directly from

http://download.techsmith.com/tscc/tscc.exe

You can also download a video sample from

http://rapidshare.com/share/EED1C45091207DBD87E0D4D55C2EF744


Take cake, that I need subtitling on my videos from external files. Currently I can work with VMR9 but on Win7/Vista OS as I read and verified by myself, I can not use bilinear/bucubic for resizing. So I have in this case to use "EVR renderer" and under WinXP "WMR9". In any case using DirectVobSub I get subtitle filckering (you can read above).

So, I am looking for a universal renderer that works on all system but I get problems with the subtitling.

Regards,

[sheppaul]

Well, why not just use a player that supports subtitles?

[filler56789]

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding and incomplete information going on...

Why do you prefer the "official" Camtasia decoder to LAV Video or ffdshow?

Have you actually tried xy-vsfilter?

Did you know that many (probably most) XP setups include .NET 3.5 (and therefore EVR)?
{BTW, one can even install EVR without .NET 3.5}

Have you tried ffdshow video processor instead of the standalone/automagic Color Space Converter?

[sdancer75]

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding and incomplete information going on...

Why do you prefer the "official" Camtasia decoder to LAV Video or ffdshow?

Have you actually tried xy-vsfilter?

Did you know that many (probably most) XP setups include .NET 3.5 (and therefore EVR)?
{BTW, one can even install EVR without .NET 3.5}

Have you tried ffdshow video processor instead of the standalone/automagic Color Space Converter?

As I mentioned before, I created my own "File Async Filter" that is fully compatible with MS AVI Splitter, and its not compatilbe with LAVFilter and maybe others. I didn't tried with ffdshow anyway but I will it a try.

Yes maybe the most XP setups includes .Net 3.5 (... and EVR renderer) but not all of them and of course its a suggested solution (to force a user to install .Net 3.5 before my app installation) in case I did not find a better one.

I have tried xy-vsfilter and I get flicker, read above.


Regards,

[sdancer75]

Well, why not just use a player that supports subtitles?

I am using my own player developed with MS VC++, so before I pass the graph into my source code, I want to be sure that works perfectly with GraphEdit.

[filler56789]

As I mentioned before, I created my own "File Async Filter" that is fully compatible with MS AVI Splitter, and its not compatilbe with LAVFilter and maybe others.

FWIW --- LAV Video is not the same as LAV Splitter.

And as I said, it IS possible to install EVR on XP without the .NET 3.5 package.

BTW, no flavors of Windows natively include VSFilter, the Camtasia codec, Haali Video Renderer, madVR, or your custom File Source filter.

[sdancer75]

FWIW --- LAV Video is not the same as LAV Splitter.

And as I said, it IS possible to install EVR on XP without the .NET 3.5 package.

BTW, no flavors of Windows natively include VSFilter, the Camtasia codec, Haali Video Renderer, madVR, or your custom File Source filter.


Hi,

It seems that LAVvideo did the job. What I noted :

1) When the video renderer used is MadVR it works (anyway I can not resize the preview window. Is that normal ? Can I resize the final window in my app ?)
2) When the video renderer used is Haali, the video is flipped vertically (dont know how to fix)
3) When the video renderer used is EVR it works
4) When the video renderer used is VMR9 it works


LavAudio seems to distort the sound for a few mseconds when I fast forward the movie. Maybe the problem is the "graphstudionext" it self, i dont know. I didn't tested with Graphedt.exe since it crashes when i am trying to expand "direct show filters" tree.

Anyway "Mp3 Decoder DMO" seems to behave much better.



So, I ended with the following graph. Any recommendations are welcomed.

http://i41.tinypic.com/23kom0m.png

[Asmodian]

That looks like a reasonable graph to me. madVR supports changing the output resolution, i.e. mouse driven corner dragging in Zoom Player and MPC-HC, and with any other media player I have used it with, so you should be ok.

edit:
It is odd that both GraphStudioNext and GraphEditPlus do not allow resize with madVR but do with EVR or VMR. I can resize on the fly in Zoom Player and MPC-HC with your sample.avi, an external srt, and madVR.

[sdancer75]

Thanks guys for your help !!

Best Regards,

[sdancer75]

Hi,

The same graph, outputs different results. What's wrong here ?

The 1st graph was builded using the GraphStudioNext and works just fine.

http://i62.tinypic.com/axiu4p.png

The 2nd graph below, was builded using my c++ code and have distorted results (I think is a color space problem).
In case I use the color space converter , the problem is solved, but I dont want to use it, because the VSFilter will not working anymore.

http://i61.tinypic.com/ip8cc6.jpg


You can download the video as well as the two graphs from here. Inside you can also find the ddshow filters I use (Lav filters and VSFilter) in case you do not have it.

http://rapidshare.com/share/1E9E09ADBE0EECC5F655C79759710280

[sdancer75]

Hi,

The same graph, outputs different results. What's wrong here ?

The 1st graph was builded using the GraphStudioNext and works just fine.

http://i62.tinypic.com/axiu4p.png

The 2nd graph below, was builded using my c++ code and have distorted results (I think is a color space problem).
In case I use the color space converter , the problem is solved, but I dont want to use it, because the VSFilter will not working anymore.

http://i61.tinypic.com/ip8cc6.jpg


You can download the video as well as the two graphs from here. Inside you can also find the ddshow filters I use (Lav filters and VSFilter) in case you do not have it.

http://rapidshare.com/share/1E9E09ADBE0EECC5F655C79759710280

Ok solved. I used wrong ddshow filter for LavDecoder.

Thanks