"Quartet" (Directed by Dustin Hoffman)

[setarip_old]

Did full disc backup as BD-5 (Total time only 1:38:30).

Main movie looks great. Extras were originally MPEG-2 smooth as silk, but when converted to H.264 became totally jittery. Is there a setting that I need to turn on or off to eliminate the "staggering" extras?

[Sharc]

Did full disc backup as BD-5 (Total time only 1:38:30).

Main movie looks great. Extras were originally MPEG-2 smooth as silk, but when converted to H.264 became totally jittery. Is there a setting that I need to turn on or off to eliminate the "staggering" extras?
Do you have more info about the format of the mpeg-2 Extras like resolution, framerate, progressive or interlaced? Was framerate conversion necessary? Your settings of DB-RB?
Or can you perhaps upload a sample (snippet) of the original?

Otherwise just wild guessing:
Try with hidden Option PULLDOWN_720=0 in rebuilder.ini

[jdobbs]

Did full disc backup as BD-5 (Total time only 1:38:30).

Main movie looks great. Extras were originally MPEG-2 smooth as silk, but when converted to H.264 became totally jittery. Is there a setting that I need to turn on or off to eliminate the "staggering" extras? Size? HD or SD? Log? Could be pulldown used on the original.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Per tsMuxer, the source versions (BEFORE applying BD-RB) Extras in question are all:

"Profile Main@8, 720x480i, Framerate 29.97 (Pulldown)"

Here's the entire log:

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[06/20/13] BD Rebuilder v0.44.09 (beta)
[18:30:04] Source: QUARTET
- Input BD size: 20.49 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:01:33.169]
- Target BD size: 4.36 GB
- Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
- Quality: Better (Faster), ABR
- Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[18:30:04] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [18:30:04] Processing: VID_00004 (1 of 14)
- [18:30:04] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
- [18:30:09] Reencoding video [VID_00004]
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 270 frames
- Bitrate: 2,460 Kbs
- [18:30:09] Reencoding: VID_00004, Pass 1 of 1
- [18:30:27] Video Encode complete
- [18:30:27] Processing audio tracks
- [18:30:27] Multiplexing M2TS
- [18:30:31] Processing: VID_00005 (2 of 14)
- [18:30:31] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00005]
- [18:30:38] Reencoding video [VID_00005]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 582 frames
- Bitrate: 4,789 Kbs
- [18:30:38] Reencoding: VID_00005, Pass 1 of 1
- [18:31:39] Video Encode complete
- [18:31:39] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [18:31:40] Multiplexing M2TS
- [18:31:45] Processing: VID_00006 (3 of 14)
- [18:31:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00006]
- [18:48:17] Reencoding video [VID_00006]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 141,720 frames
- Bitrate: 4,283 Kbs
- [18:48:17] Reencoding: VID_00006, Pass 1 of 1
- [22:41:26] Video Encode complete
- [22:41:26] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
- Track 4354 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [22:48:40] Multiplexing M2TS
- [22:51:24] Processing: VID_00008 (4 of 14)
- [22:51:24] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00008]
- [22:51:46] Reencoding video [VID_00008]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 3,096 frames
- Bitrate: 3,488 Kbs
- [22:51:46] Reencoding: VID_00008, Pass 1 of 1
- [22:57:06] Video Encode complete
- [22:57:06] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [22:57:07] Multiplexing M2TS
- [22:57:12] Processing: VID_00011 (5 of 14)
- [22:57:12] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00011]
- [22:57:32] Reencoding video [VID_00011]
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x480
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 5,970 frames
- Inverse Telecining in effect (IVTC)
- Bitrate: 1,428 Kbs
- [22:57:32] Reencoding: VID_00011, Pass 1 of 1
- [23:15:53] Video Encode complete
- [23:15:53] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [23:15:53] Multiplexing M2TS
- [23:15:58] Processing: VID_00023 (6 of 14)
- [23:15:58] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00023]
- [23:16:15] Reencoding video [VID_00023]
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x480
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 5,270 frames
- Inverse Telecining in effect (IVTC)
- Bitrate: 1,436 Kbs
- [23:16:15] Reencoding: VID_00023, Pass 1 of 1
- [23:32:01] Video Encode complete
- [23:32:01] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [23:32:01] Multiplexing M2TS
- [23:32:06] Processing: VID_00024 (7 of 14)
- [23:32:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00024]
- [23:32:14] Reencoding video [VID_00024]
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x480
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 1,996 frames
- Inverse Telecining in effect (IVTC)
- Bitrate: 1,397 Kbs
- [23:32:14] Reencoding: VID_00024, Pass 1 of 1
- [23:37:38] Video Encode complete
- [23:37:38] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [23:37:39] Multiplexing M2TS
- [23:37:42] Processing: VID_00029 (8 of 14)
- [23:37:42] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00029]
- [23:37:50] Reencoding video [VID_00029]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 457 frames
- Bitrate: 3,557 Kbs
- [23:37:50] Reencoding: VID_00029, Pass 1 of 1
- [23:38:33] Video Encode complete
- [23:38:33] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [23:38:33] Multiplexing M2TS
- [23:38:37] Processing: VID_00035 (9 of 14)
- [23:38:37] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00035]
- [23:38:58] Reencoding video [VID_00035]
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x480
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 7,120 frames
- Inverse Telecining in effect (IVTC)
- Bitrate: 1,425 Kbs
- [23:38:58] Reencoding: VID_00035, Pass 1 of 1
- [23:58:37] Video Encode complete
- [23:58:37] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [23:58:37] Multiplexing M2TS
- [23:58:42] Processing: VID_00041 (10 of 14)
- [23:58:42] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00041]
- [23:59:05] Reencoding video [VID_00041]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 3,600 frames
- Bitrate: 3,474 Kbs
- [23:59:05] Reencoding: VID_00041, Pass 1 of 1
- [00:04:45] Video Encode complete
- [00:04:45] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [00:04:45] Multiplexing M2TS
- [00:04:50] Processing: VID_00052 (11 of 14)
- [00:04:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00052]
- [00:05:12] Reencoding video [VID_00052]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 3,312 frames
- Bitrate: 3,437 Kbs
- [00:05:12] Reencoding: VID_00052, Pass 1 of 1
- [00:10:13] Video Encode complete
- [00:10:13] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [00:10:14] Multiplexing M2TS
- [00:10:18] Processing: VID_00055 (12 of 14)
- [00:10:18] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00055]
- [00:10:26] Reencoding video [VID_00055]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 457 frames
- Bitrate: 3,554 Kbs
- [00:10:26] Reencoding: VID_00055, Pass 1 of 1
- [00:11:09] Video Encode complete
- [00:11:09] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [00:11:09] Multiplexing M2TS
- [00:11:13] Processing: VID_00056 (13 of 14)
- [00:11:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00056]
- [00:11:27] Reencoding video [VID_00056]
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x480
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 3,970 frames
- Inverse Telecining in effect (IVTC)
- Bitrate: 1,429 Kbs
- [00:11:28] Reencoding: VID_00056, Pass 1 of 1
- [00:21:21] Video Encode complete
- [00:21:21] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [00:21:21] Multiplexing M2TS
- [00:21:25] Processing: VID_00057 (14 of 14)
- [00:21:25] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00057]
- [00:21:35] Reencoding video [VID_00057]
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 720x480
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 2,328 frames
- Inverse Telecining in effect (IVTC)
- Bitrate: 1,412 Kbs
- [00:21:35] Reencoding: VID_00057, Pass 1 of 1
- [00:28:07] Video Encode complete
- [00:28:07] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [00:28:07] Multiplexing M2TS
[00:28:11]PHASE ONE complete
[00:28:11]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [00:28:11] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[00:28:15] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[00:28:15] JOB: QUARTET finished.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs (Further re: "Quartet").

The specific problematic .M2TS Extras are 00011,00023,00024,00035,00056,00057.

(Extras include some wonderful insight by Dustin Hoffman)

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs (Further re: "Quartet").

The specific problematic .M2TS Extras are 00011,00023,00024,00035,00056,00057.

(Extras include some wonderful insight by Dustin Hoffman) I'll pick it up and test it.

[jdobbs]

I'm pretty sure it is TSMUXER having trouble with the H.264 pulldown. I've been meaning for a long time to looks at TSMUXER's timing marks and see if the issue can be fixed. I'd recommend you add this to your config/INI file:

SD_PROGRESSIVE=1

It will reencode the iVTC'd source at 23.976 progressive. While it isn't strictly BD compliant, I have never seen a player that doesn't play it back perfectly. I generally do all my SD telecined sources this way.

The alternative is to turn inverse telecining off -- and if you do, you should probably turn deinterlacing on. I also like to set the deinterlacing to SmoothDeinterlace:

DEINTERLACER_TYPE=3

When you do it this way it is 100% compliant -- but the source is hard-telecined after encoding.

[Sharc]

I'm pretty sure it is TSMUXER having trouble with the H.264 pulldown. I've been meaning for a long time to looks at TSMUXER's timing marks and see if the issue can be fixed. I'd recommend you add this to your config/INI file:

SD_PROGRESSIVE=1

From the hiddenopts.txt:
SD_PROGRESSIVE=n n = 0/1 - 1=ON (default). If set to 1, Keeps IVTC'd 480i sources as 480p

Isn't it 0 by default?

[jdobbs]

From the hiddenopts.txt:
SD_PROGRESSIVE=n n = 0/1 - 1=ON (default). If set to 1, Keeps IVTC'd 480i sources as 480p

Isn't it 0 by default?Yes. It's off ("0") by default. I'll have to fix HIDDENOPTS.TXT -- either that, or make it on by default.

[Sharc]

.... SD_PROGRESSIVE=1

It will reencode the iVTC'd source at 23.976 progressive. While it isn't strictly BD compliant, I have never seen a player that doesn't play it back perfectly.
Interestingly 480p@23.976 (or 24 or 29.97) is legal for Secondary Video Streams. That's probably why players normally don't have issues with it.

[jdobbs]

Interestingly 480p@23.976 (or 24 or 29.97) is legal for Secondary Video Streams. That's probably why players normally don't have issues with it. Yeah. They are required to have the ability to play it back -- but it isn't standard for a primary video track. Frankly I think that's silly, but I'm guessing it's there for backward compatibility with DVD video. DVD players don't support progressive as a part of the standard -- but most of them have the ability to ignore the pulldown flags and play progressive.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Adding SD_PROGRESSIVE=1 to the Config/.INI file was just what the doctor ordered. All of the extras now play back as smoothly as the main movie feature.

Your wealth of knowledge never ceases to amaze me ;>}

Thank you.

The following thought comes to me most likely due to my own limitations but, perhaps at this advanced beta stage of development, those more knowledgable than I could aid in initiating the development of a manual/users' guide for BD-Rebuilder

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

I'm curious to know:

Would there be any negative impact, if SD_PROGRESSIVE=1 is UNNECESSARILY added to the Config/.INI file of a Blu-ray being converted/compressed by BD-RB?

[jdobbs]

There is really no negative impact. It only applies to telecined 29.97fps 480i sources.

[Sharc]

There is really no negative impact. It only applies to telecined 29.97fps 480i sources.
Does it matter whether the source is soft or hard telecined?
I don't fully understand when to select "IVTC sources with 3:2 pulldown" and when to add "SD_progressive=1".

[jdobbs]

Does it matter whether the source is soft or hard telecined?
I don't fully understand when to select "IVTC sources with 3:2 pulldown" and when to add "SD_progressive=1". If a source is hard telecined there will be no pulldown flags, and BD-RB will not see it as telecined nor perform IVTC.

If you have a source that you are positive is hard telecined (and not true 29.97 interlaced), you can still force IVTC by adding:

IVTC_480i=1

This will force inverse telecining. Pretty much all 480i movies are sourced at 23.976fps and are either telecined or hard telecined. True interlaced sources (shot with a video camera)that weren't originally on film, however, look terrible if you attempt to force inverse telecining against them.

I also like turning on the deinterlacing flag in addition to IVTC on hard telecined sources. You'll find a lot of these if are importing DVDs. I just imported several DVDs of Sherlock Holmes (Basil Rathbone) and combined them into a single BD. All of them were hard telecined.

I keep "IVTC sources with 3:2 pulldown" and "SD_progressive=1" enabled all the time except when I'm testing someone elses settings. I only add "IVTC_480i=1" when I'm sure the source was originally from film.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Would there be any negative impact, if SD_PROGRESSIVE=1 is UNNECESSARILY added to the Config/.INI file of a Blu-ray being converted/compressed by BD-RB?

There is really no negative impact. It only applies to telecined 29.97fps 480i sources.
I too shall keep "IVTC sources with 3:2 pulldown" and "SD_progressive=1" enabled from now on.

Thanks for clarifying ;>}

[Sharc]

If a source is hard telecined there will be no pulldown flags, and BD-RB will not see it as telecined nor perform IVTC.

If you have a source that you are positive is hard telecined (and not true 29.97 interlaced), you can still force IVTC by adding:

IVTC_480i=1

This will force inverse telecining. Pretty much all 480i movies are sourced at 23.976fps and are either telecined or hard telecined. True interlaced sources (shot with a video camera)that weren't originally on film, however, look terrible if you attempt to force inverse telecining against them.

I also like turning on the deinterlacing flag in addition to IVTC on hard telecined sources. You'll find a lot of these if are importing DVDs. I just imported several DVDs of Sherlock Holmes (Basil Rathbone) and combined them into a single BD. All of them were hard telecined.

I keep "IVTC sources with 3:2 pulldown" and "SD_progressive=1" enabled all the time except when I'm testing someone elses settings. I only add "IVTC_480i=1" when I'm sure the source was originally from film.
Thank you for these explanations. Very helpful.

[Capsbackup]

There is really no negative impact. It only applies to telecined 29.97fps 480i sources.

@jdobbs




I too shall keep "IVTC sources with 3:2 pulldown" and "SD_progressive=1" enabled from now on.

Thanks for clarifying ;>}

If this is true why not have it just be set as the default in BD-RB? :confused:
As Sharc said, I too don't fully understand when to select "IVTC sources with 3:2 pulldown" and when to add "SD_progressive=1". :o
I admit to my limited knowledge in this area, so any default settings by BD-RB will be very helpful! :( :)