Blu-Ray How to locate and remove warnings, extras, etc. Please help

[maverickluke]

I have been reading many threads about using multiavchd to remove the extras, warnings on BD and personally, I find this to be a very time intensive task that is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I have a BD loaded into multiavchd with 232 titles. Then, under each title, there is the subtitles, audio, playlist, etc. tabs. I know there is a preview window so, when I select a certain title, it shows the preview, but again, I find this to be extremely tedious. I am just looking to remove the fbi warnings, and some extras, then create an iso and burn using imgburn. Is this the nature of the beast, or is there a more efficient way of locating and blanking out (removing) them? Am I doing something wrong???? Please help.

[Capsbackup]

This can be a very time consuming task! Some titles (Sony) have numerous fbi warnings, adverts, etc... so if you dont find them all you will still see some on your backup.
I usually open the original Blu-ray's stream folder and check to see which .m2ts files are warnings and / or titles I want to blank. Then use multiAVCHD along side, clicking all titles to get the .m2ts file from multiAVCHD and checking it with the stream folder file for confirmation to blank.
You could check out BD-RB, though it does not always find all warnings, it is much faster and simpler to use. ;)

[maverickluke]

Thanks. I am a newbie when it comes to Blu-Ray stuff, so I apologize for the basic questions, but how do I open the Bslu-ray stream folder? With another program? What is BD-RB?

[setarip_old]

Hi!

I believe you can use AnyDVD-HD (purchased or 21 day free trial) to accomplish this...

[rik1138]

AnyDVD has an option to replace any videos of a certain duration or shorter, so that will work well on warnings and sometimes trailers (but if you tell it to remove all items shorter than 3 minutes, and there's a 2 1/2 minute deleted scene or something, that will be gone to, so you have to be cautious with it.)

Opening the STREAM folder is just that- in Windows (assuming you are in Windows), just go into the disc folders and find one called STREAM (in the BDMV folder). That's where all the actual video files are located. If you are on Windows 7 (at least), and change the view to thumbnail view, you should get a little preview image of each one so you can quickly located ones that are warnings and usually trailers.

BD-RB I believe is a tool called BD-Rebuilder, but I've never used it...

Are you working on a specific title, or just want knowledge in general? Let us know what the title is you are currently working on, some of them have real simple ways of bypassing all of this stuff (like Warner Java discs for example, you just edit a text file and they are gone. I think some Universal discs can be edited this way as well...)

[maverickluke]

I have Avatar which has 3 Blu-Ray discs. I ripped disc 1 with anydvd. I have become proficient at copying regular dvd's, by ripping with anydvd or dvd decrypter. Then I use PGCEdit to remove all warnings, etc. and jump to the pgc that I want, which is usually the main menu. Using trace mode, I can easily get to where I want on the dvd. I then set the layer break, create an iso and use imgburn to burn on dvd+r. I thought I would give it a try with Blu-ray. The only Blu-ray I own now is Avatar. The total size of this disc is 45gb. I have blank 50gb and 25gb Verbatim BD-R discs. I just want to do the same with these BD movies as with regular movies. Then if/when I get proficient with the Blu-rays, I will now get more Blu-rays in the future and back them up. I guess I can compress the 45gb to fit on the 25gb, but the point of Blu-Ray is to have the HD resolution. If I can shrink it down to fit on the 25gb disc without losing quality, great. Otherwise, I might as well just back up the regular DVD. So that is more about me. Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated. I have a PC running XP.

[rik1138]

If your main concern is the movie (and not so much the menus or bonus material), you can try to just demux the movie video itself and remove foreign languages and such. Sometimes that will get you an un-recompressed feature with one audio track to fit on a 25GB disc. Otherwise you will have to re-compress to fit on a 25. And with a good transcoder set to make the movie fit on a 25, you will still get very good results with most titles...

I know Avatar won't work though (without re-encoding), the video file itself is to big. But you can still do this to get the movie only on a new disc. Which would work well with Avatar as I believe there's nothing on the movie disc but the movie, and all the warnings and crap you are trying to get around. :)

Another option to just make life easier and play the movie would be to use AnyDVD and turn on Speed Menus. This bypasses the java (or even HDMV I believe) menus placed on the disc and gives you a fast, simple menu with direct links to the feature video (and sometimes a few of the larger bonus features). Click play starts the movie with nothing else playing first. It does all the work for when you rip the disc, and works quite well. (And you can even test it by just putting the real Blu-ray disc in your player with AnyDVD running, and play it with PowerDVD or something, that will show you how it looks/works without having to rip the entire disc.)

Personally, I usually rip the movie out using TSMuxer to a Blu-ray structure, and remove all audio and subtitles except English (and you can even down-convert lossless audio to the core streams to save more space if you don't mind doing that... especially if you can't decode the lossless anyway), and remove PIP video streams too. That makes a disc that just starts the movie when I insert it and does nothing else... Unless there's really awesome bonus features on a disc, I usually don't bother with them since I'd never watch them twice (most of the time)...

[maverickluke]

Thanks. What exactly is meant by demux? And can I easily do this with multiavchd? The thing that does matter the most to me come to think of it is to regain control of a DVD. With PGCEdit, I could do that. It is very frustrating when you put a disc in the player, and it shows these warnings, and you try to forward through it and it says this operation cannot be performed at this time, and you have to wait and wait until it gets to the main menu. I don't mind burning a BD to a 50gb disc if I have to. I just want to be able to get a BD and make a copy so I can watch it again in the future if I want. I guess going through all the .M2ts files is time consuming to see if a certain video track is a preview, or fbi warning. At the end when you mention TSMuxer, I am unfamiliar with that terminology or program. The good news is that I am a quick learner, and will be able to learn from the great level of experts on this forum.

[x265]

Demuxing / demultiplexing basically means, when speaking of video formats, splitting the file that contains both audio and video data (and possible other data streams as well, like subtitles), into separate files, each containing one element of the original file.

Demuxing file doesn't weaken the video nor audio quality, it doesn't do anything for these data streams, it just simply saves them into separate files.

Opposite of demux is muxing, which basically joins the datastreams back together.

[Capsbackup]

Thanks. I am a newbie when it comes to Blu-Ray stuff, so I apologize for the basic questions, but how do I open the Bslu-ray stream folder? With another program? What is BD-RB?

BD-RB is found here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143716

This will do exactly what you want, blank out warnings, and is very easy to use and can keep the full Blu-ray structure, menus, extras, etc... and reduce BD-50 to BD-25. :)

[maverickluke]

I am downloading BD-RB now and giving it a shot. When would I want to use multiavchd then?

[maverickluke]

One other question. Does a BD such as Avatar (45gb) dual layer? Do I need to set a layer break? I also assume at this point, when I am done blanking out things with BD-RB, I can then create an iso to burn with imgburn, right?

[rik1138]

You don't need to set a layer break on Blu-ray. When you burn the disc, the layer break will most likely be 25GB into the image, but it's invisible to the user (unlike DVD), so it doesn't matter where it is...

Based on what it sounds like you want to do, you really should try AnyDVD with Speed Menus. Java is removed, and a still image menu appears almost instantly with an option to start playing the movie. It's perfect, it'll work on every Blu-ray player (since it's HDMV, not Java), and it's the fastest load/get-to-movie possible on a disc other than removing the menus completely...

And it's a simple one-click operation... :)

[maverickluke]

Thanks. This is great information. I installed BD-RB and found the fbi warning (mpeg-4), but I can't blank it out or remove it. How come I can't do this? If I can't do it in BD-RB, at least I've identified the video clip (VID_00060 MPEG-4 (AVC), 1080p, 23.976fps, 21.52MB). Can I then open the movie in multiavchd and find this video and blank (remove) it there? Also, can I use BD-RB to create iso?

[maverickluke]

I know there have been a couple of suggestions about using the speed menus with anydvd, but I previewed it with totalmedia theatre, and it is a bit cheesy. If there is a way to have the menu be discreet without the anydvd logo or something else not part of the movie, I would be receptive to that idea. That is why I am trying to use other programs to do this. I have been experimenting with BD Rebuilder because of the suggestions. It shows mpeg-4 instead of the m2ts files, but I was able to quickly identify the warnings based on the clip length. But there are 2 things, that if I could figure out how to do, I would use this program in a heartbeat. 1.) How do I blank or remove this video file that I identify, and 2.) I don't want to compress the movie at all when I am done.

[Capsbackup]

Then you should use multiAVCHD as I mentioned above. It can be tedious going through all the files to identify all warnings, but it does work and there will be no reencoding.
I have found BD-RB does not always show all warnings, but multiAVCHD does.
You can also blank out unwanted audio and subtitles. :cool:

[maverickluke]

Thanks Capsbackup. Regarding multiavchd, would I want to be looking for the video files under the playlist tab or title properties tab? Too bad there is no way to blank out the videos with BD rebuilder, because it is much faster to locate the warnings.

[Capsbackup]

Check out this guide:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1361598#post1361598

[maverickluke]

I am one step ahead. I have dived into multiavchd. I was able to find the warnings and blank them as well as remove all the subtitles and languages other than english. The only issue I am having is when I click start and bluray disc, it asks me if I want to move all files from the workspace folder that I created that has the movie in it. It asks "are you sure you want to to that?"
Also, it says the temp folder has files in it, and asks me or suggests that I delete them. I answered no to the moving of all the files and when tsmuxer started it produced over 100gb of files and I ran out of disk space. I am a bit confused at this stage. Please advise. P.S. I am making progress though :)

[Capsbackup]

multiAVCHD definately requires a learning curve! ;)
You will use a lot of disc space, so 100GB is easy to use up pretty fast with Blu-rays.
You should check and delete any old files multiAVCHD creates after a project completion. (The "_TEMP" folder)
You should also make a seperate destination folder, keep your source folder seperate.
I have not seen the moving files message before :confused:

[maverickluke]

How long should the process take with multiAVCHD? After removing a bunch of subtitles and languages other than English, I hit start to create a Blu-ray. That was over 3 hours ago. I have a Pentium4 3.4GHz with 2.5gb ram.

[Capsbackup]

How long should the process take with multiAVCHD? After removing a bunch of subtitles and languages other than English, I hit start to create a Blu-ray. That was over 3 hours ago. I have a Pentium4 3.4GHz with 2.5gb ram.

:( With that PC I am not suprised.. it can take a very long time.
Be patient and let it complete so you will know if you have success! :)

[maverickluke]

Caspbackup, a few things regarding multiAVCHD: The first time I had Avatar loaded, all I did was blank 3 warnings. I then hit start and selected Blu-ray as the output. In a very short period of time, it did its thing, and it pulled up imgburn to create an iso. When I went to burn to a 50gb BD-RE, there was not enough disc space (The iso was 48gb and the BD only 47gb). So I went back to multiAVCHD, and this time, I removed all audio and languages other than English in addition to blanking out the warnings. This time, when I hit start and selected Blu-Ray as output, the process is much longer. The separate black window that pops up shows tsmuxer processing the files and removing items. (I assume the ones that I selected in multiAVCHD. The problem is that over 3 hours has passed, and there doesn't seem to be an end in site and I am down to 5gb of space left on my hard drive. Before I started the output process, I had 135gb of free disc space. By the way, regarding the moving files message, in Settings, I checked Move Transitional Files (all). I can't figure out why this is. :confused: I am not transcoding anything, but simply removing some items to get the Blu-ray file smaller so it fits on a 50gb disc. Please advise.

[maverickluke]

One other thing. Why would removing all the languages etc. create much larger files, consuming significantly more disc space compared to when I just blanked some warnings? Should I have checked Move Transitional Files (all) under settings?

[Capsbackup]

In multiAVCHD, I have checked delete all files in temp folder, move transitional files (all is unchecked), create log file, verbose logging, discard settings from project file (mpf), prompt to import pictures for slide-show, prompt to update multiAVCHD and real-time transcoding preview.
Avatar 3D? multiAVCHD will not work with 3D titles in Re-Author mode! Also, titles with PiP should not have any audio or subtitles blanked or this will cause multiAVCHD to not properly copy that file. Multi-.M2TS file movies can sometimes be a problem too.
When you remove audio and subtitles from a title, tsMuxeR is required to run the demux and then remux the .m2ts file. ( this is why so much disc space is uesd ) Otherwise it is a straight copy which is much faster.
When multiAVCHD is complete, open the destination folder you selected for that job. I do not let multiAVCHD create the ISO file, I do that myself with ImgBurn. You can test the completed project with TMT3 without creating the ISO, thus saving some disc space until you are certain you approve of the output. You only want the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders from the multiAVCHD compilation. Remove and delete all other folders and files.
Note. There are some Blu-rays that multiAVCHD does not work properly with in Re-Author mode. Ones that have numerous duplicate MPLS files for the same main movie file causes multiAVCHD to duplicate or more that main title.

[maverickluke]

Avatar is not 3D. In regards to the warnings that I am blanking, when I identify the warning as in the p;review window, i click on blank and that's it. In regards to removing the languages and subtitles, I am finding the Mt2s files in the playlist that have a duration of 2 hours or more. This way, I am identifying the main movie, and under the audio tab, I remove the spanish, french, etc. Interesting is there are 252 titles in avatar. The first few titles have a picture of the movie in the screen. Some of the titles in the beginning and the end of the playlist have a grey blank screen in the preview window. For simplicity, if I have another go with multiAVCHD, and it doesn't work, can't anydvd remove some languages, subtitles to reduce the file size? I am getting discouraged :(

[maverickluke]

I just checked my settings, and I have all the same things checked as you, but under the tsMuxeR section, I have checked Insert sequence parameter sets and insert enhancement information. Don't know what the are or do, but I was following crl2007's guide to reauthoring with multiAVCHD. When I am done blanking and removing things in reauthor mode, would it be better to save the project, close, and reopen the project and then select start Blu-ray?

[Capsbackup]

I have all the same things checked as you, but under the tsMuxeR section, I have checked Insert sequence parameter sets and insert enhancement information.

Same here.
There is a lot of trial and error with multiAVCHD, with more error in the beginning! :o
BD-RB requires much less intervention, but unfortunately does not get all warnings.
Perhaps try BD-RB again with these settings:
Open your BDREBUILDER configuration settings file and insert just below [Options] & VERSION=0.42.0.8

MIN_M2TS_SIZE=0
MIN_PLAYLIST_MINS=0
DTSX_ENABLE=1
ENABLE_TEST=1
and save it.
Also, change to CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=50000, so BD-RB will not reencode any files, but will only blank the ones you select and remove the audio and subtitles you dont want. It will demux and remux the original files.
After that completes, if you still have any warnings left you can now load that new BD-RB compilation into multiAVCHD and only have to find the few that are left, and it should be much faster to complete.

[maverickluke]

Giving BD-RB a whirl. It is doing it's thing. Beginning at 10:45pm. Will let it run overnight. Let it backup movie and menus and autoblank extras. Target size is the 50000 like you suggested. One thing I noticed is that it says the Input BD size: 45.16 GB, and the Target BD Size: 48.83GB. I am confused. Why is the target bigger than the input size when I am blanking extras? If this is true, it is doing the opposite of what I want. It won't fit on a 50gb BD-RE at this rate :scared: We'll see in the morning.

[maverickluke]

Ok, here is the end result. Again I just used BD-RB. Gave me a BDMV folder of 41.2GB. I successfully burned it onto a BD-RE. No warnings at all :). The problem is, that the english subtitles are on all the time :( This is on my blu-ray player as well as when I played it in Arcsoft totalmedia Theatre. In setup, eventhough I went under subtitles and selected none, I still get them. This problem is the original movie as well as the pre-release and director's extended version. The other thing I noticed is when I put the original retail Avatar in the Bluray player, the bottom left of the TV says BD-ROM. On the BD-RE that I made, it says BD-R BDMV instead. I am closer, but this is the hangup. Again, I did not use multiAVCHD at all for this.

[maverickluke]

Oh no, please don't leave me hanging now :scared:. I am so close with the exception of this one hangup with the subtitles. Thanks for all the great support that helped me get this far. All kidding aside, if someone knows how to resolve this issue, I would really appreciate a response. Again, thanks for all the help in advance. By the way, I also posted the same question under the (HD) DVD & Blu-ray authoring forum thinking it may be appropriate to start this as a new topic.