Interested in vdub 1.9.11 good deinterlacer and resize filter?

[zmejce]

I'm interested in VirtualDub's good deinterlace and resize filters.

What are their differences and when to use which one?

ATM I'm aware of Yadif for deinterlace and Laczos3 for resize as best options.

[srk3461]

Well there's no best filters out there, It's what you think the best for your encodings/movies , As a personal fave I'd say Smart De-interlacing with (Frame-and-Field differencing) and (Edge directed interploate) with Laczos3. Not may too many blocks, picture looks smooth and with a decent file-size.

For more info about deinterlacing follow this link "http://www.100fps.com/filesizes_of_deinterlaced_video.htm" for all kind of de-interlacing and choose the one that's best for you/your movies.

A word of advice, best way to find a good de-interlacing method is through X number of trail and error's... Cheers!

[zmejce]

srk3461 can you please post a screenshot in motion of smart deinterlacing, so I can take a look.

[srk3461]

srk3461 can you please post a screenshot in motion of smart deinterlacing, so I can take a look.

Here you go zmejce 'http://imgur.com/IRwlr

These are the settings, I use for most of my videos. Give it a shot. Tell me what you think!

[zmejce]

It's sharp isn't it?

Are those settings universal? I mean like for deinterlacing DVD Pal, Ntsc, 1080p, 1080i?

Does it deinterlaces 1080i like Yadif does?

I think that Yadif is very similar. Maybe not so sharp?

What do you think?

[srk3461]

It's sharp isn't it?

Are those settings universal? I mean like for deinterlacing DVD Pal, Ntsc, 1080p, 1080i?

Does it deinterlaces 1080i like Yadif does?

I think that Yadif is very similar. Maybe not so sharp?

What do you think?

Yep i agree its a bit sharp, I use them on a proper 'proper means not to many artifacts.. etc' Ntsc or Pal source videos, some times I even use these guys "KernelDeinterlace, LeakKernelDeinterlace, TomsMoComp, TDeint." Never tried smart on a 1080i.

The universal settings for smart is 1) Frame only differencing 2)Blend (only if you want a crappy output).

Yup I agree with you there isn't much difference in both. maybe it like a bit sharp :-) again it's a personal opinion. Choose what's good for your source.

Take a look at this old thread for 1080i deinterlacing 'http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=140192'. Give it a read.

I'll check smart with a 1080i and let you know about it.

[Guest]

SmartDeinterlace works fine with 1080i.

[srk3461]

SmartDeinterlace works fine with 1080i.

Really..! Ya why wouldn't it, I never thought of it!? Same parameters or anything different neuron2?

[Guest]

No, everything is the same. The frame is bigger, so what?

[zmejce]

Thanks

[zmejce]

Same settings for 1080p (like blu-ray movie)?

[Guest]

Same settings for 1080p (like blu-ray movie)? Why would you apply deinterlacing to a progressive stream?

[zmejce]

I know that there's no need to apply deinterlace filter to progressive stream, just wondering would those same settings apply to 1080 resolution (i don't know if it's 1080i or what else) blu-ray movie (it's somehow interlaced)?

[Guest]

The frame size does not make any difference to the suitable settings. I already said that!

You do not need to deinterlace a stream with progressive content.

If the content is progressive, it cannot be "somehow interlaced".

I suppose you are failing to distinguish between the nature of the stream content and how it is encoded. It's a common mistake. You need to focus on the content, i.e., are the field pairs sampled at the same time or at different times (the field period). You can look at #1 and #2 here for a way to determine the nature of your content:

http://neuron2.net/faq.html

If this is all gobbledegook to you, then you need to go back to basics and learn about video before attempting to do any serious work.

[zmejce]

neuron2 I think blu-ray movies are interlaced in a different way than 1080i hdtv captures.

My question is if the same settings apply for 1080 blu-ray interlaced movies/discs?

[detmek]

You mean telecined? In that case you do not deinterlace, just use IVTC (Inverse Telecine) to recover progressive frames.

[benwaggoner]

You mean telecined? In that case you do not deinterlace, just use IVTC (Inverse Telecine) to recover progressive frames.
And, of course, Blu-ray discs can be true 1080i and HDTV will often have 3:2 pulldown. This has to be verified visually.

[Guest]

Blurays with telecine are pretty rare aren't they, I can't remember ever seeing one.

@zmejce

I gave you a link that tells you how to identify progressive versus interlaced versus telecined. If you have some doubts post a link to an uprocessed sample stream, and we can tell you what it is.

If your stream is truly interlaced (and not telecined) then you can use the same SmartDeinterlacer settings already described.

[zmejce]

Ok, i think about interlaced, not telecined.

[TlatoSMD]

I found I've never had a need for any other Deinterlacers beside VDub's internal one, and Deinterlace - area based (with edge detect set to 0 to really catch all the interlacing lines): http://www.guthspot.se/video/index.htm

Any other ones just weren't sharp enough. Especially those ones beside IVTC that promise you to "restore progressive frames" after your footage has been interlaced in post do nothing but crap. Remember there's a difference in motion blur whether you capture your footage at 24p or 25p on the one hand, or 50i or 60i on the other. That's why it's crucial whether you're using spatial interpolation (that doesn't change your motion blur) or temporal blending (that exactly doubles it), because most of those that promise you to "restore" your progressive frames end up using nothing but temporal blending, even if they claim being adaptive, and that looks utter crap on footage that originated as 24p and 25p because the result equals a standard motion blur of 12fps.

Especially in PAL, you should consider first trying Field Reorder: http://home.earthlink.net/~tacosalad/video/fldorder.htm Up until the 1990s, it was common for terrestrial PAL airing to interlace progressive footage by delaying one field in relation to the other, so this filter, while not being a real deinterlacer, will take care of that better than any other.

And there *CAN* be a need to deinterlace progressive footage, in order to remove artifacts on borders that result from prior oversharpening without unnecessarily blurring non-affected areas too much.

[Guest]

Ok, i think about interlaced, not telecined. Then what did you mean when you said bluray interlacing is "somehow different"? Are you just confused or did you have something specific in mind? You seem to be stumbling around in the dark.

[zmejce]

I don't know whats the difference, but, as an ex. Handbrake 0.9.5 deinterlaces Blu_ray movies correctly, while it doesn't 1080i hdtv captures.

[Guest]

Every time you bring up stuff like this, you have to provide the source samples, otherwise there is NO WAY for us to know what is going on. And if you don't properly analyze the videos and understand what is going on, you'll continue to grope in the dark.

You have people here that will help you learn this stuff, but they can't help if you provide only vague and confused reports. I've told you this several times but you just won't get it.