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OrionZodiac
12th July 2012, 03:10
When I encode my blu-ray movies, I always try to maintain the look and feel of the original. This simple script has served me fine for the most part:

AddGrain(var = .5,constant = true)

super = MSuper(pel=2, sharp=1)
backward_vec2 = MAnalyse(super, isb = true, delta = 2, overlap=4)
backward_vec1 = MAnalyse(super, isb = true, delta = 1, overlap=4)
forward_vec1 = MAnalyse(super, isb = false, delta = 1, overlap=4)
forward_vec2 = MAnalyse(super, isb = false, delta = 2, overlap=4)
MDegrain2(super, backward_vec1,forward_vec1,backward_vec2,forward_vec2,thSAD=400)

GradFun3 ()

x264 setting (10-bit)

cabac=1 / ref=8 / deblock=1:-3:-3 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.80:0.80 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=24 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=2 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-4 / threads=4 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=60 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=11174 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=29 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:0.70

It does a good job of maintaining detail and eliminating some of the uglier aspects of a blu ray movie (i.e., it leaves just enough grain and it approaches transparency very well...but I feel I can do better)

That being said, my encodes tend to look a bit smooth by comparison and I can't seem to find a way to replicate the grain retention.

What I would like to know is what is a good way to preserve more detail and most importantly keep the very fine dancing grain in my encodes. (i.e, i want to retain the fine, flickering grain in my own encodes.)

I have looked everywhere and tried an number of scripts, but as I said, I still can't retain the detail and fine dancing grains in the end product. I've read that perhaps removing low frequency noise and retaining high frequency noise will help help in retaining finer and calmer grain in movies. I have tried this but i didn't get the results i was looking for. I'm hoping some of you more seasoned encoders can help me achieve my goals.

AzraelNewtype
13th July 2012, 01:37
Stop me if you thought of this one, but if you think your encodes have too little grain, have you considered not using a filter that exists to remove grain?

Just a thought.

StainlessS
13th July 2012, 02:02
Stop me if you thought of this one, but if you think your encodes have too little grain, have you considered not using a filter that exists to remove grain?

Just a thought.

Magic:devil: