Please help me to configure good video quality

[diply]

Hi guys.
I can't go anymore around and to listen other people how they convince people that and that player is the best and has the best video quality. I used: BS, VLC, GOM, KM,... Recently i start to use MPC HC. It was accidentally. I used KM with belief it has the best video quality. One day some video did not work very well on KM and i started with MPC to see will it work and i was spellbound how picture was much better!
I instantly uninstalled KM and installed LAV filter and MPC HC x86. Those days i read some other player has better quality or there are some additions for MPC as madVR, Reclock, SVP etc. I am totally confused. I need help. I do not planning to read pages and pages if there are someone who can resolve this mystery and to tell me do i to stay on MPC HC, what to install and how to configure.
I am newbie for those things but i do not prefer to much to research about videos. I just want to configure and enjoy in the best video quality :).

all roads lead to (experts of) doom9.org :)


My pc:
Win7 x64 Ultimate
Phenom II x4 925
8GB RAM ddr3
ATI 5770 Sapphire
...

[Guest]

"Best" is subjective and our forum rules outlaw asking about the best. I have edited your thread title appropriately. Please read and follow our forum rules. Thank you and welcome to the forum.

http://forum.doom9.org/forum-rules.htm

[mood]

The best is one that meets your needs ;)

[diply]

No suggestions, no links,... so many people here and nobody to help a newbie?

[Guest]

What are you asking us? What is the best player? You can't ask that here and nobody will answer that.

So refine your question to something that can actually be answered.

[diply]

I am asking which player to choose to get GOOD video quality.

Is this GOOD video configuration for MPC HC?
http://imouto.my/watching-h264-videos-using-compute-unified-device-architecture-cuda/

I do not know about those things. I just want to configure video performance and to leave it and watch it.

[Kado]

@diply

Yes, do the stuff from that link. You may need a decent cpu and gpu though...

Sent from my MB525 using Tapatalk 2

[diply]

And which splitter to use it? LAV, Haali, ffdshow (i think i count all)? How to set-up them for the best quality? In mpc-hc>options>internal filter> both windows i have to turn off when i want to use some external filters, right? How much are different between those splitter?

Now i refine my questions.

[Keiyakusha]

If you want very simplified explanation:
If you have video file, it contains video, video have some specific quality. It should look the same in any player if the player is not broken for some reason. There is various tricks but you obviously not ready for that. You should learn about this stuff step by step and then decide on your own what will be best for you.

Start from something small. Get LAV+MPC-HC both x86. No need for anything else. mpc-hc>options>internal filter> disable everything. Then try to play some video. It works? If yes - you have your quality. Next step would be learning what every option in mpc-hc and LAV is used for. When you'll learn that - you will know what to do next.

EDIT: about the link you found. its pretty nice configuration guide, however I think the part when they say to add filters to MPC-HC external filters is an overkill. I don't think it will do any harm but there is no good reason for adding any of the mentioned filters. Also ffdshow can be omitted completely. It only adds unnecessary complication level.

P.S. ffdshow is not a splitter. you need haali only if you deal with ordered chapters. if you don't know what is that - use LAV

[diply]

You are completely right. I start to use LAV + MPC-HC 2,3 weeks ago :).

Can you please tell me are these configuration ok?

You mean on this? All those formats to turn it off? I selected some of them but i turned off now.
One question here. People who wont to use any spliter or whatever (yea, i have to learn what is what :) )... they select all here? But for what is options > formats > i can select/unselect there too.
http://content.screencast.com/users/Skrenshot/folders/Jing/media/80f78c68-d8ff-401b-a7f7-7619d90686ee/2012-07-03_1400.png


http://content.screencast.com/users/Skrenshot/folders/Jing/media/4924bd73-041f-4f29-8216-d4c3bae7ed5a/2012-07-03_1410.png

This is how i set-up for external filter
http://content.screencast.com/users/Skrenshot/folders/Jing/media/04612ed6-b0c9-4fe1-9a34-7eb0e15a040b/2012-07-03_1400.png


DXVA2 (native) i set this because i use ATI (5770 sapphire)
http://content.screencast.com/users/Skrenshot/folders/Jing/media/c9eca497-05fb-425b-aa6c-f7d899bc1040/2012-07-03_1401.png


On these two pictures i leave all on default:
http://content.screencast.com/users/Skrenshot/folders/Jing/media/9c42ca35-2aca-4fa8-ac38-27a815fb3038/2012-07-03_1401.png

http://content.screencast.com/users/Skrenshot/folders/Jing/media/3e5bb0ff-0357-42cb-be6c-5ae982bcd612/2012-07-03_1402.png



Please review this. :thanks:

[nevcairiel]

The default settings of LAV are fine for most people. Only thing you would usually change is the type of HW Acceleration used, which you changed to DXVA, so thats all.

[diply]

I do not see any different when i put on any of it.

Why this happen?

On every 1-2sec i see this
http://content.screencast.com/users/Skrenshot/folders/Jing/media/a9a59489-fd75-4db9-958f-163db5c60035/2012-07-03_1456.png

Is this to the video or i did not set something good?

Format : MPEG-PS
File size : 1 024 MiB
Duration : 21mn 40s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 6 603 Kbps

Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : M=2, N=14
Duration : 21mn 40s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 5 896 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 8 000 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.569
Stream size : 914 MiB (89%)

Audio #1
ID : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 21mn 40s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -40ms
Stream size : 29.8 MiB (3%)

Audio #2
ID : 189 (0xBD)-129 (0x81)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 21mn 40s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -40ms
Stream size : 59.5 MiB (6%)










And here you can see how red is gush

http://s6.postimage.org/tr6iuimz4/snapshot_00_56_51_2012_07_03_14_17.jpg

Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 5.76 GiB
Duration : 1h 2mn
Overall bit rate : 13.2 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2009-11-18 05:00:44
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.9.8 ('C'est le bon') built on Aug 13 2009 12:49:06
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 10 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 2mn
Bit rate : 12.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.193
Stream size : 5.12 GiB (89%)
Writing library : x264 core 77 r1281 3836218
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=10 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.4:0.6 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-4 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=7 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc_lookahead=0 / rc=2pass / mbtree=0 / bitrate=12000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=50000 / vbv_bufsize=50000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:0.80
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 2mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 755 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 337 MiB (6%)
Title : Music
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 2mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 200 MiB (3%)
Title : Natural Sound
Default : No
Forced : No

[fairchild]

That's because the video is interlaced and is not being deinterlaced. Either enable software decoding and enable YADIF in LAV, or figure or enable hardware deinterlacing for your drivers by going into CCC video settings and enabling by checking: Use Automatic Deinterlacing (though unchecking it and selecting Vector Adaptive produces the best quality if your hardware supports it.)

[Gelatinous]

Your CPU and GPU can probably handle madVR which has inbuilt deinterlacing and generally looks much better than EVR. DXVA is only necessary if youre struggling to play back some files.

If you do switch to madVR enable aggressive deinterlacing in LAV Video; I've found that sometimes the deinterlacing fails to activate automatically.

[kutjong]

As fairchild stated, that video is interlaced and to make it progressive you have to use deinterlacing. Best option for this, as stated, is to use your gpu for deinterlacing. For hardware deinterlacing to work, you have to disable DXVA2 in LAV decoding filter.

If you want to keep DXVA2 enabled, then enable YADIF software interlacing in LAV settings. Hardware deinterlacing (especially vector adaptive) is clearly superior though to software, such as YADIF.

[diply]

Thank you guys! I fixed the 1st problem. The 2nd one is this problem with video or configuration?

[kutjong]

Thank you guys! I fixed the 1st problem. The 2nd one is this problem with video or configuration?
Screengrab is missing.

[diply]

You do not see this picture on post #12?

http://content.screencast.com/users/Skrenshot/folders/Jing/media/084382a2-cf1b-495c-994f-b85cc5454c67/2012-07-05_1138.png

[iSeries]

Looks like purple fringing to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_fringing

[maxfilm]

diply, great thread of yours. I myself have also felt lost in this jungle of codecs and how to easily set optimal picture.
I believe most people are at this level of knowledge regarding what codecs/filers etc to use, and a sticky of this thread would probably be a great idea since noobs will always look for a simple optimal setting for their system.

Especially now since I just recently got the tw9000 (6010) epson projector colors and contrast etc is more important than ever.

I've had this problem with a slight yellow tint and I "installed" the madVR filter for windows media player classic - home cinema. I have always had the k lite codec pack installed and did NOT have to uninstall anything.
All I had to do was download the madVR filter and extract the files in zip folder to a folder in program files which name you choose yourself. Then in that folder click the .bat file and voila, your madVR is working in media player. You simply have to choose madVR in properties in your player as default renderer (option becomes available in player after .bat click install).

Now the yellow tint on faces is MUCH less, almost gone. I am not annoyed by it anymore and so far I must say the change is amazing.

I do still wonder how to configure it further for complete perfection regarding colors and contrast etc, even though it looks great right now.

I have no idea where to begin. As I said I have now managed to set madVR as default renderer and that is an accoplishment for me by it self. :)

[Qaq]

Since madVR outputs in RGB 0-255, you have to set your video driver and display to RGB 0-255 too.

[diply]

Looks like purple fringing to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_fringing

How i read this is normal. Thank you for the information.

From time to time in some of videos i have problem when i seeking backward or forward. It is very slow. It delay 1-1.30sec. Sometimes this happen on very low res. and sometimes on higher res. i.g. 720p, 1080p. I clicked and turn on/off everything in MPC HC. Now i think this problem arouse LAV filter. Can it?
I never had this problem with BS player and KM player but i had with GOM and now with MPC HC. But then i use k-lite codec pack.


btw i still on some video has interlaced picture no matter i set what you told me :(, But this videos are rare and not so important.

[diply]

No answers?

I have problem with wmv. Sometimes those files are playing as slow motion and some of them are delay as i mentioned above (other files .avi, .mkv are sometimes delay too). When i click ctrl+j it shows LAV decode wmv file.

[HoP]

@diply
When i click ctrl+j it shows LAV decode wmv file
check this settings:

http://imgair.net/i/clipboard01-1342431128.png

you can use "Win7DSFilterTweaker" to set the decoders:

http://imgair.net/i/clipboard02-1342431168.png

[diply]

The 1st is the same and here too but there is no LAV. Everywhere is checked 'Microsoft'

http://content.screencast.com/users/Skrenshot/folders/Jing/media/ff69ff57-d0fa-4de4-8ded-c26c71e0e5a6/2012-07-16_2029.png

[HoP]

use "Codec Tweak Tool" and use "Fixes" section.it may be able to fix that

http://imgair.net/i/clipboard03-1342460325.png

[diply]

It found many registry error but it not fixed the problem with .wmv files. Maybe i did not configure MPC HC and LAV very well...

[diply]

I do not have solution. I do not have idea what to do. MPC-HC with some reason doesn't work sometimes with .wmv files. Then i run with Windows media player and it works perfect! It is lucky for me i do not have a lot wmv files but anyway i want to know it works good with all kind of formats. Just tell me where to try to change something, please.