BDP-S360 Insufficient internal memory?

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs
And others with BDP-S360 players

(I wonder if the following might have also anything to do with the BDP-S360's inability to properly handle PIP/DTSExpress?)

I recently acquired the Bluray Director's Cut of "THX1138", released September 2010.

My FULL DISC backup was created without incident and played properly on my (intentionally) firmware-never-updated PowerDVD v.7.3.

However, when I attempted to play the backup on my BDP-S360, I was surprised to observe that after the FBI warning and WB logo the (Java) load screen cycles forever. I believe this is only the second disc (of well over 1,000) that has failed to play on the BDP-S360 after successsfully playing on my non-updated PowerDVD.

On a whim, I checked online and came across the following:

http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=128382

describing exactly what I had encountered.

Could it be that the BDP-S360 simply suffers from inadequate memory?

If anybody is in a position to test this, that would be wonderful ;>} It would require the following:

1) SONY BDP-S360

2) Thumb drive of 1Gb or more (MUST be FAT32 or FAT16)
3) "THX1138 - Director's Cut" Blu-ray

Simply plug in the thumbdrive while the player is turned off, turn the player on and load the Blu-ray disc.

Let us know if the loading completes (AFTER the FBI warning and Warner logo)...

[Capsbackup]

I have a BDP-S360, and what I have experienced is some full disc backups, usually to BD5/9 media, initially "appear" to load, then may play one or two very short titles. Then they just hang there. It might even seem to be a bad rip or burn.
What corrected this for me was just removing the internet cable and the thumb drive. That same disc that was hanging now plays perfectly. My suspicion was this was BD Live related. :confused:

This, for me, had no relationship to DTS Express though.
Every full disc backup to BD-25 with PiP and Dolby Digital Plus secondary audio play perfectly, and should have the same output parameters as DTS Expesss audio would.

[setarip_old]

@Capsbackup

Thanks for providing your experience, but your findings are exactly contrary of this. My 360 is not even connected to the Internet (so BDLive doesn't come into play), nor do I have a thumb drive installed. (The physical setup doesn't allow for access to the USB port).

Therefore, I'd once again request:

If jdobbs or anybody else is in a position to test this, that would be wonderful ;>} It would require the following:

1) SONY BDP-S360

2) Thumb drive of 1Gb or more (MUST be FAT32 or FAT16)

3) "THX1138 - Director's Cut" Blu-ray

Simply plug in the thumbdrive while the player is turned off, turn the player on and load the Blu-ray disc. Try the same with a backup copy.

Let us know if the loading completes (AFTER the FBI warning and Warner logo)...

[jdobbs]

I'll have to find "THX1138 - Director's Cut" to try it.

You know, it's no wonder why George Lucas is a billionaire. He's sold each of his (relatively few) movies at least 10 times in different formats each with minor changes that typically say "newly restored" or some similar jargon -- and people just keep forking out the dough. I recently bought the Star Wars sets on blu-ray -- after previously purchasing them in VHS and DVD (and there was at least two "new improved" releases on each of those formats), so I guess I'm as guilty as the rest. Hmm... now that I think about it, I may even have bought "Episode IV, A New Hope" in betamax format too.

He apparently knows how to "use the force" to keep people coming back. "You don't need to check our IDs", he says, "you can go on your way." -- then "... and buy another release of this film..." -- I think there was some comment about "the weak minded" afterward too, but I was too busy wondering where the nearest "Best Buy" was.

[setarip_old]

All very true - but his taste in women is unbelievably poor (The hefty version of Linda Ronstadt) ;>}

On the other hand, if you are ever afforded the opportunity to visit the Lucas faciltiies in either Marin or at the Letterman Digial Arts facility in San Francisco, prepare yourself for some remarkable experiences - but still not as much sheer joy as rubbing elbows with the then-barely pubescent programmers at the early Atari facility in the Silicon Valley (after Nolan Bushnell sold it). Sometimes the things we do just for our kids and grandkids pays unexpected dividends ;>}

Be that as it may, I look forward to hearing what you discover regarding THX1138 and the SONY 360, including whether plugging in a thumbdrive in any way affects BD-RB PIP video/DTSExpress playback...

[Rich86]

I recently acquired the Bluray Director's Cut of "THX1138", released September 2010.

My FULL DISC backup was created without incident and played properly on my (intentionally) firmware-never-updated PowerDVD v.7.3.

However, when I attempted to play the backup on my BDP-S360, I was surprised to observe that after the FBI warning and WB logo the (Java) load screen cycles forever. I believe this is only the second disc (of well over 1,000) that has failed to play on the BDP-S360 after successsfully playing on my non-updated PowerDVD.

Does the original play properly? Is this problem isolated to the copy you made? Is your player set to enable internet/BD-Live in the setup? Have you tried disabling BD-Live connectivity in the menu? The 1gb or higher USB memory add-on only comes into play with BD-Live, as far as I know.

I have this title - but no S360. I DO have a S550 which I can set up to test this title, if you think that would be helpful at all. But the S360 is a different firmware series from the S350/550 firmware.

[setarip_old]

@Rich86

1) Because, as I mentioned, I have steadfastly avoided applying any firmware updates to the 360, I'm unable to play the original (outdated AACS) on it - but the poster at the link I initially provided stated that his/her ORIGINAL version exhibited this behavior.

2) I created both a 25Gb and a "BD9" version. Both exhibited the same problematic behavior with the 360. As an aside, neither the original nor either backup copy exhibited this problem when loaded into PowerDVD v.7.3 (Also intentionally never updated).

3) My 360 is not (nor has it ever been) connected to the Internet.

4) My speculation is that if, in fact, this is related to insufficient built-in memory, it may be limited to the earlier players - but, by all means, please feel free to see if your 550 exhibits the same behavior.

5) Let's hope that last week's 49ER loss was merely an aberration ;>}

[Ghitulescu]

You know, it's no wonder why George Lucas is a billionaire. He's sold each of his (relatively few) movies at least 10 times in different formats each with minor changes that typically say "newly restored" or some similar jargon -- and people just keep forking out the dough. I recently bought the Star Wars sets on blu-ray -- after previously purchasing them in VHS and DVD (and there was at least two "new improved" releases on each of those formats), so I guess I'm as guilty as the rest. Hmm... now that I think about it, I may even have bought "Episode IV, A New Hope" in betamax format too.
You missed the Laserdisc issues. :D

Could it be that the BDP-S360 simply suffers from inadequate memory?

If anybody is in a position to test this, that would be wonderful ;>} It would require the following:

1) SONY BDP-S360

2) Thumb drive of 1Gb or more (MUST be FAT32 or FAT16)
3) "THX1138 - Director's Cut" Blu-ray

Simply plug in the thumbdrive while the player is turned off, turn the player on and load the Blu-ray disc.

I have a BDP-S360, ....
What corrected this for me was just removing the internet cable and the thumb drive. That same disc that was hanging now plays perfectly. My suspicion was this was BD Live related. :confused:

AFAIK there is no conection between the temporary storage on eg SD or USB-stick (designed for BD-Live content) and java memory requirements (cheaper players, with no USB/SD can play java-"enabled" movies as well).

But if indeed the players can use the space on this storage (as a C:\TEMP :)) instead of and/or additionally to the internal memory then it may be a problem if the TEMP file needs to be greater than 4GB.

[hello_hello]

2) Thumb drive of 1Gb or more (MUST be FAT32 or FAT16)

The 360 can't read the NTSC file system?
If not at least they've improved that situation with the more recent models.

[Ch3vr0n]

NTSC isnt a file system, its a video format and the opposite of PAL. FAT32 and Fat16 are file systems like NTFS (did ya mean that one?) and EXT4.

[hello_hello]

NTSC isnt a file system, its a video format and the opposite of PAL. FAT32 and Fat16 are file systems like NTFS (did ya mean that one?) and EXT4.

Doh! Yes, I meant NTFS.

[Rich86]

@Rich86

1) Because, as I mentioned, I have steadfastly avoided applying any firmware updates to the 360, I'm unable to play the original (outdated AACS) on it - but the poster at the link I initially provided stated that his/her ORIGINAL version exhibited this behavior.

2) I created both a 25Gb and a "BD9" version. Both exhibited the same problematic behavior with the 360. As an aside, neither the original nor either backup copy exhibited this problem when loaded into PowerDVD v.7.3 (Also intentionally never updated).

3) My 360 is not (nor has it ever been) connected to the Internet.

4) My speculation is that if, in fact, this is related to insufficient built-in memory, it may be limited to the earlier players - but, by all means, please feel free to see if your 550 exhibits the same behavior.

5) Let's hope that last week's 49ER loss was merely an aberration ;>}

Just out of curiosity . . if you go to the "BD Data" section of your setup menu, are there any entries in there? If "yes", maybe try erasing them?
Let's hope the 49er offensive line decides to actually protect the quarterback today . . .
Update: now THAT's the 49er team we know and love in 2011-2012 . . :-)

[Ch3vr0n]

@hello: in that case i think it's pretty normal. My panasonic dmp-bd85 doesnt read ntfs either. Only FAT32 (and possibly fat16, havent tried)

[Ghitulescu]

in that case i think it's pretty normal. My panasonic dmp-bd85 doesnt read ntfs either. Only FAT32 (and possibly fat16, havent tried)
The support for NTFS is extremely limited in standalones. As it was on all consumer windows systems before w2k :) too. Only recently NTFS was supported in mediaplayers, which were limited to FAT32, even if they could play HD. Practically no standalone/mediaplayer&co could understand NTFS before 2010.

[Ch3vr0n]

that may be, but NTFS has been arround LONG before 2010 and even blu-ray players existed, so you'd think they'd support that one too. Faster speeds, no file size limit like FAT32, ... But back on topic

[hello_hello]

@hello: in that case i think it's pretty normal. My panasonic dmp-bd85 doesnt read ntfs either. Only FAT32 (and possibly fat16, havent tried)

My Sony BDP-S480 will happily read the entire contents of a 2TB NTFS, USB hard drive. It pleasantly surprised me when I first tried it. The Samsung Bluray player in this house will too (I can't remember the model number but it's about 4 months old).

I can't check it at the moment (someone's asleep) but the BDP-S370 manual says "FAT-compatible", whereas the BDP-S480 manual doesn't specify any file system at all.

Anyway, I was just curious whether NTFS support is a fairly recent development. Looks like it probably is.

[setarip_old]

@hello_hello

Me:[Quote] 2) Thumb drive of 1Gb or more (MUST be FAT32 or FAT16)

You:The 360 can't read the NTSC file system?

At the risk of sounding a bit sarcastic - I'm surprised that you would ask that question after reading what I stated and highlighted. If you doubt me, RTM for the SONY BDP S360...

[hello_hello]

RTM? I actually did try to download the s360 manual originally, but the link to it on Sony's site kept taking me nowhere.
I know you what you stated but it's not unheard of for someone to "assume", so given the later models read NTFS I just thought I'd ask.

[setarip_old]

@hello_hello

Googlesearch for: SONY BDP S360 manual - results include the following:

http://www.retrevo.com/search/v2/jsp/mytrevo/myTrevo.jsp?page=man

User Guide, Page 23 "Hookups and Settings", Page 23, Last bulletpoint...

[hello_hello]

Yeah I wasn't arguing about it. From what I read in the manual the 370 only supports FAT, but I will check it later.

I must admit I "assumed" that the S360 (and S350) would actually play media stored on a USB thumb drive (given I've owned several el-cheapo Chinese DVD players which do), which was obviously a foolish assumption as it seems they only use them for additional memory. Had I realised that I probably wouldn't even have asked the question because there's no real need for them to support NTFS in that case.

It would appear Sony decided to add enough internal memory to the S370 and it'll play media on an FAT drive, while NTFS support only appeared with the S380 (and I'm really assuming that too because the S480 definitely supports NTFS and like the S480 manual, the S380 manual doesn't mention a file system). I'm glad I waited as long as I did to buy a player.

Anyway, I guess I've learned something and hopefully I've got it all straight now. I leave you to your disc problem. :)